UFOs caught on news report about fire near Idaho National Laboratory

Originally posted by observe50
I feel until these are looked at by a professioal that has studied them it should be listed as a UFO.

The problem with doing that is that "UFO" means "aliens" now.

I think a lot of people would be a lot more willing to concede that they don't know what something is if that something weren't going to be defined as alien when that happens.

Put the Unidentified back in UFO, please.

EsSeeEye,

I understand what you are saying and maybe it is time that we find new terminology.

Ufo for Unidentified Flying Object

AFO for Alien Flying Object

As you know people are nay and yay sayers or the ying and yangers.....it has always been this way and probably will always be this way.

I accept there are skeptics and fence sitters and this is okay when dealing with this subject.

BUT

You should be able to also accept the fact that there are millions of abductee's/experiencers that deal with Alien's and AFO's and they know what they know just like the skeptics and fence sitters feel they know what they know.

I KNOW there are Beings which we call Alien's exist and they do travel via AFO's- the ships

Now I don't know if these videos and still pictures are Alien or a bird as suggested. I believe we need a true professional that deals with this to investigate and give his/her knowledge on this, that's all... plain and simple.

Maybe we will all be proven wrong and it is a pink elephant.

I don't know of any bird that can fly "against" a 55 mile an hour wind. Do we have birdie lovers here that could let me know.

As I said I will concede after professional testing of video and that takes some time.

Originally posted by observe50
EsSeeEye,

I understand what you are saying and maybe it is time that we find new terminology.

Ufo for Unidentified Flying Object

AFO for Alien Flying Object

As you know people are nay and yay sayers or the ying and yangers.....it has always been this way and probably will always be this way.

I accept there are skeptics and fence sitters and this is okay when dealing with this subject.

BUT

You should be able to also accept the fact that there are millions of abductee's/experiencers that deal with Alien's and AFO's and they know what they know just like the skeptics and fence sitters feel they know what they know.

I KNOW there are Beings which we call Alien's exist and they do travel via AFO's- the ships

Now I don't know if these videos and still pictures are Alien or a bird as suggested. I believe we need a true professional that deals with this to investigate and give his/her knowledge on this, that's all... plain and simple.

Maybe we will all be proven wrong and it is a pink elephant.

I don't know of any bird that can fly "against" a 55 mile an hour wind. Do we have birdie lovers here that could let me know.

As I said I will concede after professional testing of video and that takes some time.

I completely agree with you! with your comment you have just demonstrated what is the right spirit with which these themes must be faced.

Someone here has talked about witnesses of this event, here is the contact of who made these video reports:

www.kpvi.com...



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Originally posted by Maybe...maybe not

Originally posted by Unity_99
It doesnt look like a bird to me.

And your idea it does don't make it so. Period. Period. Period.

Unity 99.....

So, do you think it's aliens?

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

Unity99 thinks everything is alien...throw a frisbee in the air and take a picture. Watch him fall all over himself declaring it the best photographic evidence out there. Tell him it was a hoax...watch him declare that the government got to you and that is why you are covering it up...ahhhh unity99...is always good for a laugh

I thought I would toss these up to see. They aren't great but it will work for what I need it for. Just incase you need to know the video these are from counted down to zero thats why the first pic is at 1:28..

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/7013f7208a27.jpg[/atsimg]
now the inverted

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/5a096ca691e2.jpg[/atsimg]

Please noticed the areas that are circled do not have an object that is seen.

Now at 1:27 a second later we have these pictures.Again look at the circled area. Looks like there is something there.

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and now inverted

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/781d459077fd.jpg[/atsimg]

I see that some think it is 100% a bird and I must say I don't think so unless you know of any birds that instantly appear out of nowhere.I do not know what that is and I will not say it is something ET's are driving, but I will say that is not a bird like I have ever seen. UFO yes since it is unidentified in my eyes. Just thought I would share this with you. I may be wrong (I have been in the past) but check it out for yourselves. Thanks to the OP pretty good eye. One last thing in the first video this object is moving to fast and I don't see how you would see it flap wings. I slowed it down so far that if it slowed down anymore it would have been in reverse.


[edit on 30-7-2010 by tsurfer2000h]

kerazeesicko,

I think you were very rude with your post to unity_99.

I would like to know why you can't disagree politely it does make you look bad at least in my eyes.

I have dealt with Alien's and AFO's all my life so since I know me and I trust me I say you need to show more respect.

Originally posted by Just Wondering
I'm sorry there was a ufo in those pictures??

all i saw was...
THIS
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/b4d8f9cb75bc.jpg[/atsimg]

Me too

But to the OP, the report clearly states there were nine aircraft fighting the fire. Between that and birds, why would you ever think the object is some kind of space ship from outer space?

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Here is the other pic that did not load above.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/b2f66c37fed7.jpg[/atsimg]

It is the one that should have been above the last inverted pic above. I don't know what is going on with this post but the pic above is also the pic if you use the link above sorry again been a long day. I will get it right next time.


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reply to post by Unknown Origin


If you watch the videos you will see that there is a difference in what he is talking about and the aircraft fightingthe fire. In the first video you can see that the object in question is moving faster and seems to come out of no where in the video. If you look at 1:28 you cannot see it then at 1:27 it comes into view and looks to be moving pretty quick. Also if its a plane you would see the wings or the tail section, and a helicopter you would hear the rotors and see the rotors if they are that close. I cannot say how close the object is, but you should be able to see to see some characteristics of the air craft.

The second video is interesting to me. It appears the videographer was purposefully shooting the object, which is good. Now we can make inquiries as to what they think they were shooting. Nothing pops into my mind as to what the object is. Good find.

The first video could easily just be a distant aircraft coming into view from behind the smoke.

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You could be right, but it just isn't in view long enough to see exactly what it is. I can say that it is not a bird.It is moving at a quick pace whatever it is.

Watching the second video some more, it almost seems like the camera man may have thought is was an aircraft to help with the fire and noticed that it was not what he thought. It is really interesting looking at it a few more times. With the backdrop it has you would be able to see a little more detail of the craft than what is being seen. I would think.

reply to post by observe50


Observe50…..

Maybe, maybenot, I like that name by the way.

Thank you…..thank you very much!

The reason I wrote that was because so many are fast to judge.

I agree! In some cases including this one, it is very easy to see exactly what the object is in the available videos.

I believe you need to say IMO unless you are a professional and have studied these photo's or videos.

In this case, there is no need to state “IMO” because it is 100% certain the objects are birds.

I feel until these are looked at by a professional that has studied them it should be listed as a UFO.

There is no need for further “professional” analysis because the case is so “cut & dried”. Another interesting issue is the definition of “professional” in this vexed area of Ufology.

It seems you do not believe there are Aliens that pilot UFO's

That isn’t my position, as per my extensive threads, posts & discussions on ATS Live.

Kind regards
Maybe…maybe not

reply to post by kerazeesicko


Yes, it is the first thought when something is presented as adbnormal, because I am not the only one in my family with experiences, and they weren't human by our standards. In this case, since they're all facing that direction, it would depend what the crowd saw. Most know the difference between a craft and a bird, they behave differently, let alone look differently. Also if the people saw them, they werent reflections.

In cases where you can't be sure, its probably not, for usually they want to capture someone(s) attention. What they do is also for awareness.

Also, I have a hard time with terminology. I like ET its very very simple. Not too fussy. They may not but oh well. But do we call them ETs/aliens if they are based on or in the earth, or in our solar system and may have been here longer than our species?

[edit on 30-7-2010 by Unity_99]

Maybemaybenot,

I will enjoy looking you up and getting to know you.

I don't know what this picture is but until I have better proof I will hold my judgement. I will concede when more investigation is done if/when need be.

I never mind being wrong and I never mind apologizing when I am but I still can not imagine a bird flying against the wind that is about 55 miles per hour.

I know I have a one track mind, silly me.

reply to post by observe50


Observe50…..

I will enjoy looking you up and getting to know you.

I hope you can find something of interest in my material & not just terminal boredom!

Just for the sake of interest & convenience, here is one of my threads about one of my favourite cases:

Revisiting The 1994 Nellis Air Force Base UFO Video

I don't know what this picture is but until I have better proof I will hold my judgement. I will concede when more investigation is done if/when need be.

”Buh buh buh bird, bird, bird is the word!”

I never mind being wrong and I never mind apologizing

I PWNED myself the other day!

UFO Picture: The Paul Villa Case, Mexico 1963

when I am but I still can not imagine a bird flying against the wind that is about 55 miles per hour.

I don’t think that’s what’s happening.

I know I have a one track mind, silly me.

Naah…..you’re doing fine!

Kind regards
Maybe…maybe not


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reply to post by observe50


Wow this isn't the response you see everyday.
Having a response that is civil is great to see wish it would happen more. People tend to let things get to them so quick you end up with a back and forth slap fest. I guess thats all I wanted to say. Once again civility rules.
Sorry for being off topic.

reply to post by Maybe...maybe not


I want to also thank you for the civil response that you are giving.I do enjoy some of what you say and then others well you know.That is the same with everyone. I must say when you see civil posts and not some crazy stuff thrown back and forth it makes threads easier to read.
Again civility rules. Think about it if we all agreed what fun would that be right. We can't all be right.

Well, just to say, "I tried", I fired-off an email to the reporter/cameraman and asked him what he was shooting during the 7/14 report that created this UFO sighting. I'll report back if he responds. If he does respond I'm 99% sure he will say, "fire fighting airplane".

maybemaybe,

Thank you I will check out those threads.

We all need to be civil sometime why not start here.