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Originally posted by Teknikal
Sounds like Greenpeace are a bunch of morons really I wonder how many of their own relatives or even them themselves have pensions and the like invested with BP and they don't even realise it.
I also still think it's wrong the blame has been fully pushed on BP when it was American contractors did the damage and American safety laws that allowed it to happen at all. Saying that though the media has an agenda here hyping this up beyond all reason and wildly out of proportion.
If you let any big company legally cut corners they definitely will and it doesn't matter the business or type of company they would be in serious trouble with the boardroom if they did anything else.
In my opinion this disaster was absolute CERTAIN to happen and unless the safety laws are heavily changed it is also certain to happen again although hopefully next time it's Exxon so we can see the bias clearly.
Q How much profit does a gas station make per gallon of gasoline?
A according to the National Association of Convenience Stores. the average profit per gallon was in 2005 4q 2.7 cents on a markup of 12.7 cents per gallon
There was a 20-20 show (or maybe it was 60 minutes) i watched a year or so ago, when gasoline prices were going through the roof. I was surprised to learn that only like 2-3cents a gallon is the profit that the gas station actually makes.
This is a good subject, Gas companies ie. gas stations make there profit on the merchandise you buy from them not all on fuel.The more the barrel goes up the less the gas station makes after tax and delivery fees,the lower the barrel the more the margin goes up for the gas company. the gas companies do not have all the control on gas pries like folks think they do,that is the oil company and the good old government, I know for a fact that when gas prices were almost $5.00 a gallon that the gas station was losing .3 a gallon at gas prices today at 3.19 a gallon they are making .9 a gallon and i have good insight too this matter, also if you think the gas station makes money then why when gas hit 4.85 a gallon did more then 5000 gas station go out of business,
Fuel tax in the UK is constantly changing and has risen steadily over the last 15 years. Between 1993 and 1999 there was a rapid increase with duties on fuel increasing by 3% above inflation. This was due to a major change in petrol taxation in 1993 when the Conservatives introduced the Fuel Price 'escalator'. This was a way of the government making money and also to help protect the environment by discouraging people from using their cars.
This fuel escalator forced prices up from one of the lowest in Europe to now one of the most expensive. When it was first added, fuel prices rose by 3 pence a litre and tax contributed to 72.8% of the total cost. By 1997 the escalator had added 11.1p to the cost of unleaded petrol and was at 75%. It didn't get any better when the conservatives left office and Gordon Brown took over, as the escalator increased and 3 pence was added per litre. This took tax up to an incredible 81.5% of the total price of fuel.
Well the comments in those links are actually quite disheartening. They still don't prove that there's a majority either way.
Seriously, such comments just show that most people ENTIRELY miss the point of direct action
If you and/or the rest of the motherland (or the new world for that matter) think they can perpetually sit comfortably living a modern first world lifestyle as if the world is not decaying then they've got another thing comin'
Originally posted by Freedom ERP
reply to post by NoHierarchy
Strange that the majority of posters to this thread might come from the UK as it related directly to action in our capital city.
Guess what, not everyone gives a crap about the bigger picture, and are more focussed on what is going on locally. Something they can influence and impact.
Your post seems an attack at the NWO and the fact that we are not all up in arms. Newsflash - There are members on ATS who do not buy into the whole NWO thing, and prefer to focus and react to local issues.
If caring more for my local country man means you discribe me as a "coddled whiner", I will take it
And the bully boy tatics of Greenpeace make them no better than the the actions of the oil exploration and producing companies.
Originally posted by Mike_A
reply to post by NoHierarchy
Greenpeace do not have peoples support, you were wrong; their actions are alienating people exactly as I said. Don’t try and twist it.
Well then answer my question from a couple of pages ago; what exactly has this achieved? As far as I can see nothing but bad publicity for Greenpeace. How has that helped the gulf?
Don’t insult the naysayers just because they don’t share your world view; just because they don’t think interfering with safety gear at a few petrol stations is a good idea doesn’t mean they don’t care about the outside world.
Says the person happily burning through a ton of carbon and petroleum to lecture strangers half the world away on how dumb they are for supporting the oil industry. Get of your high horse.
Like I said- the comments don't prove a majority either way. You'd have to conduct a more scientific survey of populations to gauge support for Greenpeace.
I can't tell you what EXACTLY it has achieved, but I surely do support AT LEAST the efforts.
What enrages me most about such naysayers is their blind rage towards Greenpeace without seemingly any rational consideration for the benefits/merits of their recent actions.
I'm not saying I'm this perfect, idyllic environmentalist... but not being 100% eco-friendly IN NO WAY precludes me from caring about these issues nor does it AT ALL preclude me from discussing them with others.
I only support the oil industry with my very meager amount of money because I haven't been given any great alternatives.
I don't think you realize that being born into our cultures means you're essentially LOCKED into them.
Things that absolutely, positively will never reduce the use of petroleum:
» Being a douchebag
» Irritating people who are just trying to get to their damn job
» Acting as some kind of self-appointed non-government environmental police
» Defacing the property of others
» Locking workers, owners and customers out of businesses that they have the right to be at
» Pretending you are some kind of warrior or somehow brave for being a douchebag
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Originally posted by Mike_A
reply to post by NoHierarchy
Oh please stop, you were claiming support without any backing whatsoever; any means of measure available to us shows that most people disagreed with Greenpeace’s actions. To go back to the disputed comment, “it will alienate those who are affected”, the evidence shows that this was correct. You can state it any which way you like but the fact remains that anywhere that people have commented on this the majority view is negative. Whether it is the world majority or not it has alienated a hell of a lot of people.
I can't tell you what EXACTLY it has achieved, but I surely do support AT LEAST the efforts.
Followed by…
What enrages me most about such naysayers is their blind rage towards Greenpeace without seemingly any rational consideration for the benefits/merits of their recent actions.
By your own admission you can’t even say what it has achieved yet you’re angry at other people because they won’t consider the benefits?!
There is zero evidence of any benefit or merit behind this action; it has alienated people, it has disrupted people’s day, it has cost people money, it hasn’t helped anyone in the Gulf and there is no reason to believe that BP has taken any notice. In fact in relation to the latter, if BP has taken notice they’re probably quite buoyed by the backlash against Greenpeace.
The naysayers have sound reason for their complaints, you however have no reason for your blind support.
And not agreeing with some silly publicity stunt masquerading as moral action does not preclude anyone else from caring about the issues either. Yet according to you anyone who has expressed a disagreement with Greenpeace’s actions is a whiney, spoiled, isolationist.
So in other words you are just like everyone else except you’re better than them because you lecture people while you do it? Yeah the world really needs more people like you!
No it doesn’t, you could get off the internet for a start, how much energy do you think that uses up? How much oil goes into the production of all the components?
Greenpeace is actually doing something good, of substance and to the CORRECT target (P.1 posted on 27-7-2010 @ 09:34 AM)
Says who? Who are they or you to decide what is good, of substance and what the correct target it?
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it will only serve to alienate those who are affected (P.1 posted on 27-7-2010 @ 09:50 AM)
Says just about everyone on the planet with half a heart and mind.
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It won't alienate those affected... how you do you even surmise that?? Most people are probably cheering them on (unless they for some partisan reason can't muster a cheer for Greenpeace). (P.1 posted on 27-7-2010 @ 10:40 AM)
It honestly makes no sense to me, except the possibility that most of the outraged do not think about these issues much. And if London is anything like America in those regards, then that is probably the case. Most people I know or run into on a day to day basis are FAR from educated on these issues, and too many are proudly apathetic.
When did I say I was "better than everyone else"?
It would be IMPOSSIBLE for me to know the full scope of the results! Is that not clear?
I am absolutely angry at people who won't consider the benefits.
The notion that it was a "silly publicity stunt masquerading as moral action" is your opinion and you're entitled to it. But would you rather they get very serious or violent?
I must ask you one thing though- if the outraged motorists truly cared about the issue... why the hell were they buying gas at BP?? And don't give me that "to keep them buoyant so they can pay for the cleanup" propaganda