Is God testing me? Does he allow demonic attacks?

Demons are very real and they do attack people.

They will make you believe that you are crazy and that you should kill yourself, or in some cases other people.

I have been through some horrific attacks before I found out how to get rid of them.

Originally posted by prophecywatcher
reply to post by muzzleflash

 

What I was trying to say is that God is perfect and his creation was ment to be perfect. Satan makes us imperfect.

The mind can have problems just like the rest of the body. This others have a point here in that respect. Mind over matter will not help in cases of birth defects or permanent injury.

Having said that I do believe there are cases of demonic possession and that some are institutionalized. In most cases even trained pros will tell you there is a noticeable diffrence in a demonized person and a schizophrenic. If a demonized person comes into your home or some other close quarters there are noticable evidences not present in the schizophrenic. If you believe a schizophrenic can be healed then that would be along the lines of Christ healing any other aliment.

[edit on 19-7-2010 by Logarock]

By the way does anyone reading understand that under certain stressfull conditions a person can manifest schizophrenia....prisoners of war, bad trumatic events....ect..ect. Very easy. Or operational depression...Abe Lincoln?


The prophet Jeremiah certainly developed what would be called manic/schizo complex. That man certainly spent a good deal of time in another reality.

Originally posted by prophecywatcher
I can see you have a humorous side. Never thought you had it in you.

Oh, but I mean every word I say. In my opinion you are mentally ill and cannot be held fully responsible for your actions. That is the only reason why I haven't verbally skinned you alive on this thread for your ridiculous, false, dangerous, evil advice to the OP.

If there is a demon on this thread--a force of evil--it is you. You may already have ruined or shortened the OP's life. In my opinion, you should be banned from Above Top Secret.

Originally posted by prophecywatcher
Demons are very real and they do attack people.

They will make you believe that you are crazy and that you should kill yourself, or in some cases other people.

I have been through some horrific attacks before I found out how to get rid of them.

I have some questions for you regarding your views on Demons. If I were to assume that what you have said is true, can you please answer these two questions:

1) In terms of purpose, why do you think Demons exist?
2) Why does God permit Demons to interact with Humans?

[edit on 20/7/2010 by Dark Ghost]

reply to post by Dark Ghost


I know that demons exist because I had been unfortuate enough to have to deal with them. It is not something that is made up in a persons mind.

I"ve had experiences where electronic toys would turn on in the middle of the night, lights would come on, doors would be unlocked in the morning when I know I locked them at night, objects would disappear and reappear, pictures and objects would turn on the shelf after I continually set them straight, dishes rattle in the kitchen when no one is around, you hear someone knocking on the door when no one is there, a strange blue light appears on the wall in a square shape that couldn't possibly be reflected from anywhere, strange noises, things getting knocked over, strange phone calls from a person who doesn't sound human, telling me to get out, lights would be on when I come home from work at night when I didn't put them on etc. I could have possibly debunked all of these things, which I did. But there was one thing I couldn't overlook, there was a loud moaning sound coming from the closet by my bed one night that woke me straight up. I could think it was a ghost, but I actually saw the thing one day, just for a second. It was standing at the bottom of the stairs and disappeared. my son was almost a year old. He woke up out of bed screaming and crying. So my guess is that it went to his room. We moved from that place, but my son has not been right since.

All of this started happening after I bought a cassette tape from Wal-Mart. Yes, it was a while back when cassette tapes were around. The tape was ELO, Electric Light Orchestra. I made the mistake of playing the tape through and one of the songs was called "Fire on High". (I had no idea it was on there) It turned out to be a lot of what sounded to be devil worshiping or chanting. I threw the tape out, but that is when it all began.

By the way, I don't recommend that you play this at home.

I know there are people that won't believe any of this stuff, but I am ready for their negative comments. If I wasn't, I wouldn't post any of this, so bring it on.

[edit on 20-7-2010 by prophecywatcher]

reply to post by Dark Ghost


Oh, in response to your other question: I unknowingly let it in by purchasing and playing the tape. I believe God gives us a choice to serve him or Satan. We can chose to bring this satanic stuff into our homes if we so please, God won't interfere with our personal choices. In this case, I did't choose it ,it was definately a mistake. Things like that happens. But then again, maybe I should have known or did some research on the band before purchasing the cassette.

Originally posted by prophecywatcher
Get rid of any evil physical thing in your home that would prevent God from entering there

Is God afraid of anything, especially of "evil physical things"? How can a simple "physical thing" prevent God, who is not physical for most part to begin with, from moving anywhere He pleases?

reply to post by buddhasystem


Light cannot be with darkness. Since God is light and satan is darkness, the two cannot be togeather in the same place. If God appeared where Satan is , Satan would probably be destroyed for sure. But he is here so that people can choose and will be destoyed in the day and hour when God is ready. Along with all of the people who choose to follow him.

reply to post by prophecywatcher


Also when you have things in your home that are satanic then that means you made your choice according to God, and he will not interfere with that choice. You are either for him or against him. The world is in a spiritual war right now in the battle between good and evil. If you are on Satan's side, he will certainly destroy you in the end.

Found this, may be relevant:

James 1:13-15
When tempted, no one should say, "God is tempting me." For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone;
but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed.
Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.

Originally posted by prophecywatcher
reply to post by buddhasystem

 

Light cannot be with darkness. Since God is light and satan is darkness, the two cannot be togeather in the same place. If God appeared where Satan is , Satan would probably be destroyed for sure. But he is here so that people can choose and will be destoyed in the day and hour when God is ready. Along with all of the people who choose to follow him.

You hardly explained anything. First, you were talking about physical implements that won't allow God to "enter" premises. Now, it's metaphysical "darkness". Lack of clarity.

I became a believer in God and Jesus Christ because all of this happened to me. I turned to the Bible to get rid of these evil spirits and I learned a lot more especially about strength. So that is where my religion originated from.

Here are some questions for anyone who wishes to answer.

If God is not real and there is no spiritual world, then where do these demons come from? Because they are certainly real.

If you were being attacked by demons, who would help you, if there is no God?

Where do you think our souls go after we die? Is the universe just there for us to look at, or is it our true spiritual home?

reply to post by buddhasystem


The light and darkness I was referring to are metaphors for good and evil, so that you can get an image of what happens when light enters darkness. The darkness no longer exists.

Originally posted by prophecywatcher
reply to post by buddhasystem

 

The light and darkness I was referring to are metaphors for good and evil, so that you can get an image of what happens when light enters darkness. The darkness no longer exists.

Sorry, but may I call your attention to what you termed "evil physical things". After three attempts, I fail to obtain an adequate explanation of any sort from you about what these are. I'm afraid I'll have to conclude that you are writing just for the sake of writing. Maybe you are under destructive influence of the Devil.

reply to post by buddhasystem


I can give you some examples:

Evil images such as World of Warcraft game art, demonic images

5 pointed stars with a circle around them

pornograhpy

smoking and alcohal

drugs

game boards that allow you to communicate with evil entities

music that contains evil lyrics etc.

reply to post by prophecywatcher


Basically, it's getting rid of anything that has a negative affect on yourself and others.

reply to post by LightofLiberty


Don't worry about it, start to meditate to balance your self.
By doing this you become strong.
Maybe you opened your third eye, if you are not ready do not open it.
Third eye is for information feed. You can open it and then close it if you want to recive information, but information can be tricky, it can come from bolth sides.
Pray to god.

.....And it's done.

Nothing can touch you, if you do not want it to touch you.

I will rephrase my questions because I do not feel you addressed what it was I was asking.

1) If we assume God is the Creator of all things, what purpose do you think he had in mind when He created Demons? (I am NOT asking what proof you have to believe they do exist.)
2) Given that God is all-knowledgeable and understands the nature and behaviour of Demons, why does he permit them to interact with Humans? (If God has the power to prevent Demons from interacting with Humans, why does He not do this? Isn't it unfair of Him to allow a spiritually more powerful entity to harass a spiritually-weaker entity?)

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Since it is only fair, I have attempted to answer the questions you asked.

If God is not real and there is no spiritual world, then where do these demons come from? Because they are certainly real.

If Demons are real, then perhaps they come from another dimension/realm that us Humans have yet to reach or have previously been in. There are a number of explanations that do not require the existence of a God. If you can find evidence that a super-powerful evil entity exists (e.g.: Satan/The Devil) then your question would be more valid and harder to refute. (One whose powers are comparable to that of a Righteous God).

If you were being attacked by demons, who would help you, if there is no God?

Perhaps entities of similar or greater spiritual power that usually do not bother us and only notice them when we need them to help us. (righteous) Angels or the opposite of Demons.

Where do you think our souls go after we die? Is the universe just there for us to look at, or is it our true spiritual home?

I don't know. Perhaps that is information we are only meant to encounter after we have parted the physical world in which we currently live. I don't believe the Universe exists just for the sake of existence. Rather, I feel I do not know the answers. But it is possible that every one of us is under the direction of a Higher Power (force/energy) that watches over our experiences (not necessarily a single entity with all power and knowledge, more like reincarnation or enlightenment.)

[edit on 20/7/2010 by Dark Ghost]

Originally posted by prophecywatcher

All of this started happening after I bought a cassette tape from Wal-Mart. Yes, it was a while back when cassette tapes were around. The tape was ELO, Electric Light Orchestra. I made the mistake of playing the tape through and one of the songs was called "Fire on High". (I had no idea it was on there) It turned out to be a lot of what sounded to be devil worshiping or chanting. I threw the tape out, but that is when it all began.

By the way, I don't recommend that you play this at home.

I know there are people that won't believe any of this stuff, but I am ready for their negative comments. If I wasn't, I wouldn't post any of this, so bring it on.

Okay, first, it's something of a traversty you threw an ELO tape out.

Secondly, ELO's song 'Fire on High' is not devil worshipping or chanting.

I seriously do not know whether to laugh or cry at that claim.

The song is actually instrumental, with what is called 'backmasking' lyrics, so when the song is played, the lyrics are in reverse, and those lyrics are:

kcab nrut ,kcab nrut ,kcab nrut ,kcab nruT
ton si emit tuB
elbisrever si gnos ehT


Please don't panic, or think I am chanting a Satanic spell calling for the blood sacrifice of newborns.

No, indeed, if the song is played backwards, the lyrics are:

The song is reversible
But time is not
Turn back, turn back, turn back, turn back.


Fire On High

From the link:

Fire On High

"Fire On High" is the opening instrumental track from the 1975 Electric Light Orchestra album Face the Music.

The song was the UK B-side to the band's worldwide hit single Livin' Thing, issued in blue vinyl. It was also later included — in an edited form minus the backwards vocals — as the flip side of the US hit single Sweet Talkin' Woman in 1978.

The album version contains an opening with a backward message. When the song is played backwards, the message, in a masked heavy voice (performed by ELO drummer, Bev Bevan), can be heard stating, "The music is reversible but time is not. Turn back. Turn back. Turn back. Turn back." — ostensibly Jeff Lynne's shot at backmasking hysteria, after satanic allegations were made against their song "Eldorado" by Fundamentalist Christianity members.[1] Snippets of "Messiah" by Handel can be heard during the album opening as well.

Link (includes option to play song forwards and in reverse to hear lyrics)

So it was Jeff Lynne's in-joke at those who claimed backmasking was satanic.

The irony!


Come on people, ATS is about denying ignorance. Let's give it a try.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm off to listen to Satanic chants- er, I mean ELO.

[edit on 20-7-2010 by Regensturm]