It's abuse. Plain and simple. My father used to beat the crap out of us with the belt. There were times I'd go to school the next day and it would
cause me unbearable pain to just sit down in the chair. As we got older, he started resorting to using his fists. It didn't stop until the day I
finally grew some cojones and hit him back. He deserved it. I have never forgiven him for what he would do to us. I would if he would only acknowledge
that he was wrong but he won't. He has somewhat of a selective memory and just a rock hard stubborn will.
Don't ever hit your kids. It doesn't solve anything. All it does is make them resent you and defy your orders ever more. It's a simple concept. We
talk about it here on ATS daily. You can only push someone so many times before they start pushing back. The other terrible side effect is that your
kids will turn to violence as their solution for anything. My father never tried talking anything out and as a result, I had very violent tendencies.
I've grown up now and see that he was wrong, I was wrong and I know where I got it from. It's a hard and disgusting habit to break and it took
everything out of me to finally break it. Believe me, you don't want to do this to your kids. There are other ways to discipline. Hitting is not one
of them. REMEMBER, you're an adult, they're a child. Just because you don't think your exerting much force doesn't mean it's not going to hurt
them.
Britney Spears 'Beat Child With Belt', page 2
reply posted on 1-7-2010 @ 04:26 AM by kyred
reply to post by FuGGer
My mom used whatever was handy and fit her hand and she could lift.
That could have been a belt, a shoe, a stick or an axe handle. No, I didn't enjoy it at all.
Did I learn not to do things that would piss her off? Well, sort of, I learned not to do that particular action again.
The gamble was, will this piss off, Mom? I never knew if I hadn't done it before. There were no set rules. Just, you pissed me off and now you must pay the price.
At least with my Pop, it was, a "look" that said, "Son, you just crossed the line, and I am giving you a chance to backtrack."
At least Pop never left marks, and that says to me he was in control of himself. But, Mom? Yikes She left marks that lasted for days.
Did I ever mention before that my mom is Satan?
Seriously, though, I doubt the Spears spawn is in control of herself. And she just might be out of control with her kids.
By the way, Pop used to get tired of us complaining kids in the backseat of the car and he woud just reach over the seat and swing. Some of us were lucky and we ducked in time. Some of us weren't so lucky.
But the Momster? She made a note of everything and didn't just give a general "strike out". She remembered everything, and when we got home, she dealt it out with the belt, etc. depending on the magnitude of the infractions.
Yeh! We used to line up for our whippings. If us kids would have allied ourselves with each other, we could have put that evil entity down. lol
I have a sister who never acted out, and she at least got a belt (and I mean an actual thin waist belt) across her mouth because, well, she was probably thinking what the rest of us probably thought, or at least she deserved the belt because, well, she was one of "us".
Just saying, Spears' mom is from cough, cough, Lousiana, cough cough, and Spears is probably just following what she was raised with. Yes, she is ignorant and stupid, IMHO, and can't get beyond what she was raised as.
One day I heard a whole bunch of screaming noise outside. So I went outside to see what was up. I saw a father hauling his boy to the house, whipping him on the butt all the way. My neighbor was also outside and I mentioned, oh wow, that guy is crazy! I'm going to call the police. And my neighbor said, hold on buddy, you just got out here. That boy just rode his bike off the street and ran right over top a three year old girl and laughed as he left her laying in the yard screaming. Oops.
Yeah, Pop. Whoop that boy's butt!
So, I say, did the spawn of the Spears' Satan earn this belt across the butt? I don't know. Personally, I consider that this former bodyguard is looking for a paycheck, If not, then he will forego all monetary rewards for justice for the poor little Spears boy. I'm just guessing, though. It's Hollywood and the music industry. Much money to be made there for a clever person.
My mom used whatever was handy and fit her hand and she could lift.
That could have been a belt, a shoe, a stick or an axe handle. No, I didn't enjoy it at all.
Did I learn not to do things that would piss her off? Well, sort of, I learned not to do that particular action again.
The gamble was, will this piss off, Mom? I never knew if I hadn't done it before. There were no set rules. Just, you pissed me off and now you must pay the price.
At least with my Pop, it was, a "look" that said, "Son, you just crossed the line, and I am giving you a chance to backtrack."
At least Pop never left marks, and that says to me he was in control of himself. But, Mom? Yikes She left marks that lasted for days.
Did I ever mention before that my mom is Satan?
Seriously, though, I doubt the Spears spawn is in control of herself. And she just might be out of control with her kids.
By the way, Pop used to get tired of us complaining kids in the backseat of the car and he woud just reach over the seat and swing. Some of us were lucky and we ducked in time.
Some of us weren't so lucky. But the Momster? She made a note of everything and didn't just give a general "strike out". She remembered everything, and when we got home, she dealt it out with the belt, etc. depending on the magnitude of the infractions.
Yeh! We used to line up for our whippings. If us kids would have allied ourselves with each other, we could have put that evil entity down. lol
I have a sister who never acted out, and she at least got a belt (and I mean an actual thin waist belt) across her mouth because, well, she was probably thinking what the rest of us probably thought, or at least she deserved the belt because, well, she was one of "us".
Just saying, Spears' mom is from cough, cough, Lousiana, cough cough, and Spears is probably just following what she was raised with. Yes, she is ignorant and stupid, IMHO, and can't get beyond what she was raised as.
One day I heard a whole bunch of screaming noise outside. So I went outside to see what was up. I saw a father hauling his boy to the house, whipping him on the butt all the way. My neighbor was also outside and I mentioned, oh wow, that guy is crazy! I'm going to call the police. And my neighbor said, hold on buddy, you just got out here. That boy just rode his bike off the street and ran right over top a three year old girl and laughed as he left her laying in the yard screaming. Oops.
Yeah, Pop. Whoop that boy's butt!
So, I say, did the spawn of the Spears' Satan earn this belt across the butt? I don't know. Personally, I consider that this former bodyguard is looking for a paycheck, If not, then he will forego all monetary rewards for justice for the poor little Spears boy. I'm just guessing, though. It's Hollywood and the music industry. Much money to be made there for a clever person.
reply posted on 1-7-2010 @ 04:29 AM by deepred
Violence is the tool of the weak.
Here is a story of discipline to the extreme.
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www.vancouversun.com... Washington+State/3211562/story.html
Local police said they arrived at the family's rented vacation home shortly after 6 p.m. Sunday to find Clare's body in a pool of blood on the kitchen floor. Her throat had been slashed.
A "stoic" Wilson, from Abbotsford, B.C., was arrested at the scene, said police. He later confessed to police, according to a statement released by the Mason County Sheriff's Office.
The statement said that the 29-year-old killed the girl following a fight with his wife, Sarah Wilson, about disciplining the children.
Wilson told his wife "not to worry" and that he would "take care of things" before taking Clare downstairs, the statement said. A short time later, the mother heard a scream and went downstairs where she found her daughter laying in the kitchen clutching her throat.
She died at the scene.
Read more: www.vancouversun.com... Washington+State/3211562/story.html#ixzz0sQAKAdX4
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When violence is taught to children as punishment for a perceived wrong we send a message to the child that to react with violence is an acceptable response to a perceived wrong.
Here is a story of discipline to the extreme.
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(BEGIN SNIPPET)
www.vancouversun.com... Washington+State/3211562/story.html
Local police said they arrived at the family's rented vacation home shortly after 6 p.m. Sunday to find Clare's body in a pool of blood on the kitchen floor. Her throat had been slashed.
A "stoic" Wilson, from Abbotsford, B.C., was arrested at the scene, said police. He later confessed to police, according to a statement released by the Mason County Sheriff's Office.
The statement said that the 29-year-old killed the girl following a fight with his wife, Sarah Wilson, about disciplining the children.
Wilson told his wife "not to worry" and that he would "take care of things" before taking Clare downstairs, the statement said. A short time later, the mother heard a scream and went downstairs where she found her daughter laying in the kitchen clutching her throat.
She died at the scene.
Read more: www.vancouversun.com... Washington+State/3211562/story.html#ixzz0sQAKAdX4
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When violence is taught to children as punishment for a perceived wrong we send a message to the child that to react with violence is an acceptable response to a perceived wrong.
reply posted on 1-7-2010 @ 04:34 AM by yuefo
Originally posted by soleprobe
reply to post by yuefo
"I got the belt from my dad and spoon from my mom. I hated them for it."
That was then.... do you still hate them now?
No, I disrespect them. It permanently sours the relationship because the child knows the relationship is uneven, that love and kindness is conditional. Those are the parent/child relationships where the parent is still critical, demanding, "parental" long after the child has grown into an adult of 20, 30, 40, 50, it doesn't matter. That parent never grows out of the role of parent, and that's sad.
reply posted on 1-7-2010 @ 05:22 AM by The Great Day
reply to post by deep red
Drug related, thats an off topic extreme example. I believe op is talking about spanking as a form of discipline.
I am on the fence on this. I was raised fearing the spoon, once my dad even broke one on me. I perpetuate that story by saying he then stabbed me with the broken end.
As a product of a dysfunctional family i dint resent the spankings......
i resent the shame used to attempt to control me. Was i a bad kid? No, i was a robot who grew up with much emotional problems. Controlled by shame and lived in fear.
I am almost 40 now and happy to say have got things figured out. I dint want to go into the negative details of my life and how much it sucked due to my upbringing. But my 30's where a learning curve.
I know that the world is plagued with dysfunction. Poor Britney is not exept.........and for sure neither are her kids.
rule out shame, spankings inspired by rage, and we may be on to something.
Now i have a 5 year old step girl. She needs a lot of work! Even after everything i have learned..........emotion takes over. I spank, then feel guilt knowing that i am just as weak as my parents where, minus the verbal shame.
[edit on 1-7-2010 by The Great Day]
Drug related, thats an off topic extreme example. I believe op is talking about spanking as a form of discipline.
I am on the fence on this. I was raised fearing the spoon, once my dad even broke one on me. I perpetuate that story by saying he then stabbed me with the broken end.
As a product of a dysfunctional family i dint resent the spankings......
i resent the shame used to attempt to control me. Was i a bad kid? No, i was a robot who grew up with much emotional problems. Controlled by shame and lived in fear.
I am almost 40 now and happy to say have got things figured out. I dint want to go into the negative details of my life and how much it sucked due to my upbringing. But my 30's where a learning curve.
I know that the world is plagued with dysfunction. Poor Britney is not exept.........and for sure neither are her kids.
rule out shame, spankings inspired by rage, and we may be on to something.
Now i have a 5 year old step girl. She needs a lot of work! Even after everything i have learned..........emotion takes over. I spank, then feel guilt knowing that i am just as weak as my parents where, minus the verbal shame.
[edit on 1-7-2010 by The Great Day]
reply posted on 1-7-2010 @ 05:50 AM by The Great Day
reply to post by The Great Day
lol ya......reality. Please respond with some wisdom folks. The earth is in dire need.
lol ya......reality. Please respond with some wisdom folks. The earth is in dire need.
reply posted on 1-7-2010 @ 06:10 AM by mamabeth
reply to post by conspiracy88
I am truly sorry for what you went through as a child.
I was spanked,I was never abused!
I am truly sorry for what you went through as a child.
I was spanked,I was never abused!
reply posted on 1-7-2010 @ 06:21 AM by nik1halo
reply to post by FuGGer
In my opinion, yes it is.
I do believe in physical punishment to repremand children under certain circumstances and think that many parents are far too soft on thier kids, which is why there are so many bloody hoodlums running round these days, but I also believe that using anything more than an open hand to non vital areas (arm, leg, backside etc) is overkill and does in my view constitute unwarranted abuse.
You say that your mother used a belt when you were a kid, but that was a different time. They used to use the cane in schools, they used to hang criminals (UK) and I personally am glad that neither of these are still in effect.
I can only ever remember my father hitting me twice (open handed slap), once when I was about 10 and once when I was 15 and I can assure you I deserved it and NEVER did it again, lol.
is disciplining your child with a belt child abuse?
In my opinion, yes it is.
I do believe in physical punishment to repremand children under certain circumstances and think that many parents are far too soft on thier kids, which is why there are so many bloody hoodlums running round these days, but I also believe that using anything more than an open hand to non vital areas (arm, leg, backside etc) is overkill and does in my view constitute unwarranted abuse.
You say that your mother used a belt when you were a kid, but that was a different time. They used to use the cane in schools, they used to hang criminals (UK) and I personally am glad that neither of these are still in effect.
I can only ever remember my father hitting me twice (open handed slap), once when I was about 10 and once when I was 15 and I can assure you I deserved it and NEVER did it again, lol.
reply posted on 1-7-2010 @ 06:26 AM by nik1halo
reply to post by boondock-saint
No offence, but it obviously didn't work did it? A beating is supposed to teach a kid not to do wrong again, but you kept on going on anyway.
Possible proof against the effectiveness of corporal punishment? Or just that if it's doled out too often, it loses it's effectiveness as a deterrent?
I was beaten with a belt, saddle straps, wooden
sticks/switches, shoes and a host of other items
that were handy when I needed my ar$e tore
up. I deserved every whipping I got. He!!, I got
away with more than I should have.
No offence, but it obviously didn't work did it? A beating is supposed to teach a kid not to do wrong again, but you kept on going on anyway.
Possible proof against the effectiveness of corporal punishment? Or just that if it's doled out too often, it loses it's effectiveness as a deterrent?
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