Time runs out for 1.2 million on unemployment

reply to post by 1SawSomeThings

Just remember that thousands of illegal aliens flood in daily with no end in sight. And they will work for 2-3 dollars/hr. They are already mobile, so they can almost instantly relocate to where there is work. And they work physically hard labor in the hot sun, or dirty nasty conditions because they are used to it. I respect them for that. But for US citizens with home mortgages, medical bills, kids to feed, clothe and send to college (lol): We can't just pick up and live like illegals. They stack 15-25 people in a dweliing and are fine with it. They are used to these conditions where they came from. Conditions here are undoubtedly better than the 3rd world countries they came from.

Well, what's better? Zero dollars or $9.00 an hour (which is what most McDonalds starts you out at where I live)

McDonalds Wages

Walmart Hourly Wages

I'm not saying RUN OUT AND WORK AT WALMART if you lose your job. I *AM* saying that if it's been 365 days since you lost your job, and you're still milking the tax payers to live your life of luxury, then you need to get your LAZY ASS back into the work face, and here are 2 really good starts that are GUARANTEED to be hiring.

American's got fat and lazy working their 6 figure a year jobs setting at a desk facebooking their lives away. Your chickens have come home to roost. They refuse to work at fast food because they feel they are "above it" some how, and refuse any other job that comes along that doesn't have "facebooking allowed" clause it in somewhere.

If any single American refuses to work at a job, no matter what, then that person should be DISALLOWED unemployment benefits.

Live within your means - not within what you WANT your means to be.

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... then you need to get your LAZY ASS back into the work face, and here are 2 really good starts that are GUARANTEED to be hiring.

Can't tell too much about you Snarf except that your profile says you are 26 yrs old. IMO not old enough to have been hired, fired, relocated, layed-off, had a couple of kids, layed-off, relocated, go to night school to increase education B.S. to M.S. or M.S. to PhD, while your kids and wife clamor for your atttention, then relocate and say "this is the last time honey" while your kids are sullen to you because you're yanking them all over the country. Then maybe you decide to let them stay behind when the kids are in the early to mid teens, so they can develop socially. You strike out to find better work with the guarantee they will be following soon. Only to return with screwed up kids and maybe divorce papers hitting you in the face.

American's got fat and lazy working their 6 figure a year jobs setting at a desk facebooking their lives away. Your chickens have come home to roost.

I also gather you aren't from the U.S.A. since you talk of Americans in the third person plural. I don't know how you lumped all of us into "fat and lazy" and "6 figures a year", but it probably is due to the fact that you are not from here and you don't know $h!+ from shinola. Many people I know who've been through this are just trying to live a middle class life 30K to 70K annually, combined.

AND if you think unemployment is welfare, and it helps sustain anything more than food, clothing and avoiding reposession of your home, you still need more experience, and probably education, in life.

Originally posted by 1SawSomeThings

Can't tell too much about you Snarf except that your profile says you are 26 yrs old. IMO not old enough to have been hired, fired, relocated, layed-off, had a couple of kids, layed-off, relocated, go to night school to increase education B.S. to M.S. or M.S. to PhD, while your kids and wife clamor for your atttention, then relocate and say "this is the last time honey" while your kids are sullen to you because you're yanking them all over the country. Then maybe you decide to let them stay behind when the kids are in the early to mid teens, so they can develop socially. You strike out to find better work with the guarantee they will be following soon. Only to return with screwed up kids and maybe divorce papers hitting you in the face.

Oh i see, so in order to understand the concept of "work" and how hard you have to do to it to make ends meet...i have to have lived longer than 26 years? I've had a job since i was 13...so 13 years isn't a lot to someone in their 60's...but what exactly is that "cut off" point where "too little" meets "just enough"? My guess is you personally draw that line at the age where someone agree's with you.

I also gather you aren't from the U.S.A. since you talk of Americans in the third person plural. I don't know how you lumped all of us into "fat and lazy" and "6 figures a year", but it probably is due to the fact that you are not from here and you don't know $h!+ from shinola. Many people I know who've been through this are just trying to live a middle class life 30K to 70K annually, combined.

Actually, yes, i am an American. Born here, raised here, never left here save a trip into Canada once when i was little.

Im middle Class, fall right into the very category you describe. My wife and I have no children, but we have plenty o' bills, and we work our asses off to make everything mesh as one.

So, IMO, im allowed an opinion on this. Sorry that my opinion is that lazy people shouldn't be allowed to milk it, and you disagree.

I really am sorry.

Because if there were less people who disagreed, then there'd be more people taking up these jobs, and unemployment would go back down.

But hey - how dare me think logically in a "feel good about yourself" illogical world.

AND if you think unemployment is welfare, and it helps sustain anything more than food, clothing and avoiding reposession of your home, you still need more experience, and probably education, in life.

I never said that. You put those words in my mouth.

I said that if you're been without a job for 365 days, then you need to get off of your LAZY ASS and go get a job.

Your old job at BILLIONAIRES INC where they paid you to set around and match socks while keeping the coffee maker full isn't coming back around any time soon.

And if you can't find a job that you feel is "right" for you -t hen you need to settle for something a little "Less" right for you.

Get your ass to work and stop milking the system.



P.S.

I love how you use "Experience" as a prerequisite for work ethic.

I almost feel like im talking to a politician.

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30 million unemployed(not including those off the books)
2.5 million jobs available

just go back to work america

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May you develop some humility and concern for others in your more experienced years, and may your own words not come back to bite you in the a$$. Good luck.

And welcome to scrapping out a meager existence in the newest 3rd world country. You still don't know what that means, yet.
WELCOME TO THE NEW AMERICAN DREAM.



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Hey all, this is my first post, but I have been lurking around for a few weeks now.

..My father, 62, has been out of work for 3-4 years. He worked for the same company since I was born, so roughly 20 years. It was a decent job, decent salary, but he only took it because of necessity. My dad had built his own shipping company that was run by our family, and unfortunatley someone burnt down their warehouse and they lost everything. It was too much money to rebuild when trying to raise a family, so he found another job. My dad never even graduated highschool. He ALWAYS worked hard, so to say that he isn't looking or willing to work is insulting. After I graduated high school two years ago, he even took all of his savings he had left and flew to Thailand for a temporary job! He has been trying to get a job here for years, and because of his age and the economy it is simply impossiable. Even WalMart and Rite Aid turned him down. It boils my blood that people assume the unemployed will not work because of pride. My dad, 62, is no longer receiving benefits and has resorted to living with his PARENTS. Im 2o years old, and Idont want to live at home. so for someone who should be retiring, moving back to your mother is very depressing! not prideful!


..I ranted, but it truely bothers me when people believe that getting a job in this economy is easy, when clearly even min wage jobs are near impossiable to find. esp if youre my dad's age! aka a baby boomer

Originally posted by jumpingbeanz
she must be getting something otherwise she would be dead.

1.2 million isn't a big number for the us, I wonder how many americans work and claim??? think about it

Ok so what about adding another 38 million on to the 1.2 million those are people who live in poverty. Essentially 40 million people in the USA are struggling right now and by now it may be even higher. 2 years a go 39 million people lived in poverty in the United States. 305,529,237 people lived in the USA in 2009. So essentially around 10-15% live in poverty. 1/3 of americans are lower middle class. The total of those in poverty unemployed and lower middle class is about 50%. So 50% of the USA is struggling right now.


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Originally posted by djzombie
30 million unemployed(not including those off the books)
2.5 million jobs available

just go back to work america

If there are only 2.5 million jobs available that is not enough for 30 million people'; it will never work!

I am lucky. For me, it is all about market. As long as this town exists, I will have a job bossing people around. I have a reputation, and a considerable amount of loyalty from a very large segment of this towns workforce. They have all worked for me in the past, just about, and i treat my employees extremely well, with lots of respect and compassion.

As long as someone needs their shop managed, I will be employed in a decent wage bracket.

reply to post by 1SawSomeThings

WELCOME TO THE NEW AMERICAN DREAM.

Sensationalism at its best (or worst...depending on how you view it)


I do have sympathy for those who lost their jobs.

I just don't have sympathy for those milking the system.

If you refuse to go back to work, then you don't deserve the benefits.

It really is as simple as that.


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Originally posted by Melissax0
..I ranted, but it truely bothers me when people believe that getting a job in this economy is easy, when clearly even min wage jobs are near impossiable to find. esp if youre my dad's age! aka a baby boomer

I hope nobody ever said getting a job is easy.

It never is in most economies.
This economy isnt making it easier, that I digress.

But one thing I have learned is you get a job, by need, and by fashioning yourself for the position.



It sucks being a b-boomer and out of work. But I can say that it can be done.


Isnt it ironic,... you know,...the boomers.

20 years ago they were the golden children.
Now they need help.

I have sympathy,....yes, for sure. I have empathy, I can assure.


But the times and tables have turned, obviously.

And now is the time to act, not beg for pity.

It can be done.


And the boomers were best known for making their positions, not just filling them.

We should revisit that mindset.

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Where are you people getting this 30 million figure from? There are about 14 million people unemployed not 30 million. Also how are you coming up with the number of 2.5 million jobs available?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but all they're doing is not extending a deadline to file paperwork. So this just weeds out all the lazy unemployed people that won't even get off their ass and fill out some paperwork to get their money from the government? This seems extremely logical and fine with me.

Originally posted by Snarf
reply to post by 1SawSomeThings

 

WELCOME TO THE NEW AMERICAN DREAM.

Sensationalism at its best (or worst...depending on how you view it)


I do have sympathy for those who lost their jobs.

I just don't have sympathy for those milking the system.

If you refuse to go back to work, then you don't deserve the benefits.

It really is as simple as that.


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It amazes me how many people are willing to argue points that they know nothing about. You need to work before you get the benefit this is not welfare you pay into a system and you get how much you pay into it.


So say if you earn 500 dollars a week you will not get as much as the guy making 1000 dollars a week because they paid in more.



I have seen many posts that just dont make any sense they dont understand the system.



This is a no brainier if you stop the benefit right now even the people who still have jobs are going to lose them in a few short months. You can not put a stress like this on the system and expect it to be alright.


I think many people who see this benefit as going to lazy people are young and stupid and have no idea of how it even works. The best thing to do when you know not what you say is to say nothing at all.






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Originally posted by gopher mines
Correct me if I'm wrong, but all they're doing is not extending a deadline to file paperwork. So this just weeds out all the lazy unemployed people that won't even get off their ass and fill out some paperwork to get their money from the government? This seems extremely logical and fine with me.

See my post above about learning before you speak. Take a few minutes and understand the system.



I have to much pride to speak about things I have no idea about do you feel the same way?

I will make it really easy to understand for all the people against unemployment benefits. Until you see jobs being added in America instead of lost you need to keep the benefits so the system does not crash.



And if you think this does not effect you--you could not be more wrong.What do you think is going to happen when you have millions loosing everything? Are they going to poop out butterflies and rainbows?


The small benefit they get every week goes for food and shelter. They are not saving this money. It goes right back into the economy. What better solution other then making jobs is there?




America needs jobs and until that happens unemployment is a necessary evil. And if you dont see that you are naive at best and plain old stupid at worst.

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Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander

Originally posted by Erasurehead


If you can't find work after a year and a half around where you live then its time to move.

Yes, thats a wonderful solution. Just move. Sell your house that is now worth more than you paid for it, and move. Oh wait, no one wants to buy it? Hmmm. Or for those who are not homeowners, come up with all the necessary cash to move while you are unemployed. Do you think moving is cheap?

Do you think renting an apartment or a house while unemployed is easy? As a landlord would YOU rent to someone with no source of income? And risk having to lose months of income yourself to evict them for non-payment? Really?

Where do you live? I want to move to "unreality land" too. Sounds ideal there.

Mind you, I am not in that position, so I am not "whining for my own sake" but I am experienced enough with moving in general to know that "just move" is only easy for young adults whose belongings can fit into a duffel bag and who dont mind sleeping in a park or a hostel until they get a job and can rent a place.

maybe the problem then is peoples attachment to material possessions. because at the end of the day if your broke and still trying to live like you have money something is going to give. isnt living off credit how this problem originated in the first place. if your local economy is screwed and you dont have a job and you dont have enough savings to help you through the tough times what do you do?

ask for hand outs? face it your government dropped the ball and screwed you. time to pay the piper. If your broke burn it all and start from scratch. i know it sux and its not fair but who said life was fair?

the REALITY is that you dont have a say in whats going on all you can do is survive the best way you can.

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And what exactly do you think is going to happen when you put millions of people in the this situation at once. Mind you the country is already on the edge.

This is why it is so important to keep the benefits at this time. If the job market changes by all means stop the benefits but until then it is a necessary evil. And it amazes me that people dont see this simple fact.



Most people I know collecting unemployment would love to go back to work they dream about it. This is not welfare people who earned this benefit worked to get it. Lets not forget this.




And you mentioned selling everything you own. Think about it most people have been doing this unemployment is only a fraction of what you made in your job.


Millions loosing everything all at once does not add up to good things for our nation. And just because you still have a job dont even for a second think this does not have implications for you .

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Originally posted by Subjective Truth

Originally posted by gopher mines
Correct me if I'm wrong, but all they're doing is not extending a deadline to file paperwork. So this just weeds out all the lazy unemployed people that won't even get off their ass and fill out some paperwork to get their money from the government? This seems extremely logical and fine with me.

See my post above about learning before you speak. Take a few minutes and understand the system.

I have to much pride to speak about things I have no idea about do you feel the same way?

Still, correct me if I'm wrong here, but, in order to get your benefits, you must fill out paperwork and hand it in BEFORE the deadline to receive your benefits. If the deadline passed, and 1.2 million people didn't do their paperwork, then they'll be denied their benefits.

Unemployment benefits are set to run dry for 1.2 million people nationwide Friday after the U.S. Senate decided not to extend a deadline to file for these benefits last week, according to the National Employment Law Project.

cnn.com article (in google cache to highlight selected text)

1.2 million unemployed people who's only job to do was to fill out paperwork to receive money, failed at doing that job. If you're not doing your job, you don't deserve unemployment benefits in the first place.

reply to post by gopher mines


Like I said before, please learn about the subject you are wishing to argue before hand.


This issue is about people loosing there benefits it has to do with funding not paperwork.



When you file for unemployment you call them and get a claim started they contact your employer and make sure you have not been fired and then you call every week and answer questions to get your claim.




You seem to think this has to do with people being lazy and not filling out the paperwork. You are wrong.



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