G20 protest violence escalates in Toronto

reply to post by DCDAVECLARKE


You are spewing propaganda. Your YouTube video is false. It has been debunked. Please. Take it down.

It states, or wants you to believe, that all of what is shown in the video happened in Toronto over this past weekend.

You admit it yourself, the “meat" of the video is from 2007.

[edit on 27-6-2010 by worlds_away]

reply to post by DCDAVECLARKE


Actually, there was a video that showed the people changing out of their black bloc outfits to blend in. This was after they wreaked havoc.

Cops would stay in black bloc uniform because they would get spotted.

Originally posted by DCDAVECLARKE


edit: from 2007, not relevant



[edit on 2010.6.27 by Long Lance]

Originally posted by Flatwoods

Originally posted by NoHierarchy

And who even brought up Somalian drug lords?? What of the Zapatistas? What of the indigenous movement in Latin America? What of the Spanish Revolution? What of the rights movements of the early 20th century (which was heavily influenced by Anarchists)? What of the MYRIAD of resistance movements around the world who are GETTING THINGS DONE and resisting tyrannical entities actively and sticking their necks out for what they believe in?? These "kids" actually CARE about what's going on in the world and THAT ALONE deserves a pat on the back. Would you rather they "peacefully" soup up their car, get stoned every day, and make the rounds at strip-malls and fast food joints till they turn 30?? Christ, man... can you EVER be approving of the young? Speaking of the American Revolution, it was VIOLENT and much of it was started by TEENAGERS and men in their 20's!!! So, what's the problem here?

Here's a great example of the point I'm trying to make. I DON'T WANT A VIOLENT REVOLUTION TO TAKE PLACE!! Most folks don't want that kind of thing either. Put put it bluntly, such a revolution would be a very, very bad thing. You think things are bad now? Compare living condition in the US and Canada to those in almost any third world country. We have it better than anyone. The very capitalism these punks are screaming against is what most developing nations are trying desperately to establish, in order to raise their standard of living. I'm sorry, but for me, this childish longing for anarchy has always seemed like a symptom of an over-indulgent, elitist counter-culture.

[edit on 27-6-2010 by Flatwoods]

Sounds like you gave up your thinking/questioning mind awhile back. I don't even know why you're here debating if you actually SUPPORT Capitalism of all things...

Anarchists are over-indulgent and elitist?? Once again a TOTAL OXYMORON. Capitalism is ALL ABOUT over-indulgence and elitism. The fact is, regardless of the pushes of third world countries (or rather the rich/governments of them) to adopt first-world Capitalism and consumption rates, the world cant even handle the United States alone!! We CANNOT continue Capitalism as we are. It is not an option, plain and simple. It is responsible for countless injustices as a system and these CANNOT be let to stand simply so we can have air-conditioners, Starbucks, personal Hummers, and plasma screen TVs. I'd gladly and immediately give ALL of that up if it meant the environment would be safe-guarded...

PEOPLE, EDUCATE YOURSELVES, DO YOUR HOMEWORK!!!

THE BLACK BLOC:


www.infoshop.org...

mlcastle.net...

flag.blackened.net...

Those protesters and their ilk have nothing better to do than accept student assistance checks and then blithely find the time to trash a fairly decent and beautiful city. I hope their parents get stuck with the bill and that they leave these closet anarchists in jail until tomorrow when the bail court opens up.

reply to post by Blaine91555


Agreed. I just don't see there being paid people to stir things up. It is possible I guess. Have not read the entire thread yet so forgive me if this has been covered, but when the Lakers won the NBA championship recently there were also riots,burning of taxis and the like. Were they paid also? Seems to be typical mob mentality imo.

[edit on 27-6-2010 by JMech]
spelling not so good today!

[edit on 27-6-2010 by JMech]

reply to post by Cynic


The sad thing is that this started out as a peaceful protest by families, unions and people who knew why they are protesting.

Than these guys dressed in black using the Black Bloc tactic broke off to wreak havoc.

It is safe to say that taxpayers will get the bill.

For those that think insurance will pay:

As an insurance agent, most companies don't cover riots. It is a specific exclusions because it tends to cause much unlawful losses.

Regardless if there were agent provocatuers or not, even though armed only with laughable 'weapons' such as stones and lighters hurting no humans, the fact remains that a significant portion of humans are protesting against the puppet leaders, and by extension their insane policies.

If the puppets and their masters, far removed from the sufferings of the hardships by the People, is not gonna listen, then they best prepare for the consequences when enough is enough.

Originally posted by NoHierarchy

Sounds like you gave up your thinking/questioning mind awhile back. I don't even know why you're here debating if you actually SUPPORT Capitalism of all things...

Anarchists are over-indulgent and elitist?? Once again a TOTAL OXYMORON. Capitalism is ALL ABOUT over-indulgence and elitism. The fact is, regardless of the pushes of third world countries (or rather the rich/governments of them) to adopt first-world Capitalism and consumption rates, the world cant even handle the United States alone!! We CANNOT continue Capitalism as we are. It is not an option, plain and simple. It is responsible for countless injustices as a system and these CANNOT be let to stand simply so we can have air-conditioners, Starbucks, personal Hummers, and plasma screen TVs. I'd gladly and immediately give ALL of that up if it meant the environment would be safe-guarded...

My thinking/questioning mind is in full effect. What I question is the logic of anarchism. As for socialism, it's a complete joke. All it does is ensure poverty for everyone.

I live in California, where an average summer day tops 100 degrees Fahrenheit(that's 38 degrees Celsius for all you metrics). Not all of us get the luxury of living in a cool climate. So yes, I love my air conditioning, and would be miserable without it. I don't make near enough money to buy a Hummer, but if someone does, more power to them - it's their money. As for the plasma screen TV, I hope to own one soon. Starbucks I could care less about. They stopped caring about coffee a long time ago.

My political concerns of late center more on local politics than anything global. Our state has been hit hardest by the recession, and now we are having to ditch social benefit programs right and left. But that's not surprising when one considers the extent to which business has been driven out of our state by environmental extremists and high taxes. What we need now are jobs, jobs, and more jobs, and the way to do that is by making California the most business friendly state in the country. That is why I support dumping a lot of the useless environmental restrictions put on industry, especially those that are concerned with limiting greenhouse emissions. Lately I'm becoming more and more convinced that the climate change issue is a hoax.

So yes, I am a huge fan of capitalism. I love my pickup truck, my air conditioning, my television, my Xbox, and my internet. I fully realize that this stands in stark contrast to the world envisioned by the environmental activists - a world with no cars, no plastic, no industry, and no jobs. It's a world in which we sit sweating inside our 100 degree apartments waiting for a welfare check that may or may not come from a bankrupt socialist state. I don't want to live in that kind of world.

Capitalism has created the finest standard of living anywhere in the world, and is the only true system by which people can become upwardly mobile and rise above their economic class. If the world leaders attending the G20 summit are there to further the interests of increased trade and open markets between nations, I support them too.



[edit on 27-6-2010 by Flatwoods]

Originally posted by Flatwoods

Originally posted by NoHierarchy

Sounds like you gave up your thinking/questioning mind awhile back. I don't even know why you're here debating if you actually SUPPORT Capitalism of all things...

Anarchists are over-indulgent and elitist?? Once again a TOTAL OXYMORON. Capitalism is ALL ABOUT over-indulgence and elitism. The fact is, regardless of the pushes of third world countries (or rather the rich/governments of them) to adopt first-world Capitalism and consumption rates, the world cant even handle the United States alone!! We CANNOT continue Capitalism as we are. It is not an option, plain and simple. It is responsible for countless injustices as a system and these CANNOT be let to stand simply so we can have air-conditioners, Starbucks, personal Hummers, and plasma screen TVs. I'd gladly and immediately give ALL of that up if it meant the environment would be safe-guarded...

My thinking/questioning mind is in full effect. What I question is the logic of anarchism. As for socialism, it's a complete joke. All it does is ensure poverty for everyone.

I live in California, where an average summer day tops 100 degrees Fahrenheit(that's 38 degrees Celsius for all you metrics). Not all of us get the luxury of living in a cool climate. So yes, I love my air conditioning, and would be miserable without it. I don't make near enough money to buy a Hummer, but if someone does, more power to them - it's their money. As for the plasma screen TV, I hope to own one soon. Starbucks I could care less about. They stopped caring about coffee a long time ago.

My political concerns of late center more on local politics than anything global. Our state has been hit hardest by the recession, and now we are having to ditch social benefit programs right and left. But that's not surprising when one considers the extent to which business has been driven out of our state by environmental extremists and high taxes. What we need now are jobs, jobs, and more jobs, and the way to do that is by making California the most business friendly state in the country. That is why I support dumping a lot of the useless environmental restrictions put on industry, especially those that are concerned with limiting greenhouse emissions. Lately I'm becoming more and more convinced that the climate change issue is a hoax.

So yes, I am a huge fan of capitalism. I love my pickup truck, my air conditioning, my television, my Xbox, and my internet. I fully realize that this stands in stark contrast to the world envisioned by the environmental activists - a world with no cars, no plastic, no industry, and no jobs. It's a world in which we sit sweating inside our 100 degree apartments waiting for a welfare check that may or may not come from a bankrupt socialist state. I don't want to live in that kind of world.

Capitalism has created the finest standard of living anywhere in the world, and is the only true system by which people can become upwardly mobile and rise above their economic class. If the world leaders attending the G20 summit are there to further the interests of increased trade and open markets between nations, I support them too.



[edit on 27-6-2010 by Flatwoods]

haha!

Wow... then you are truly my ideological enemy. There's really nothing I can say to you if you embrace environmental destruction, believe that climate change (which is proven science) is a hoax, and embrace Capitalism and consumerism. We're like black and white. Keep begging for jobs like a slave begs for more tasks to do...

These dumb protestors are creating something many times worse than what they are protesting about (if in fact most of them there are there for any other reason than a chance for wilful acts of vandalism.)
They're no different to any other criminals and I don't care if they feel justified as I do in my opinion as well in that case.

They should be arrested, and random public or the shopkeepers should be allowed to take to the protestors personal homes, cars and possessions with sledge hammers. That is what I call justice.

G20 market reform efforts start to splinter

GLOBAL BANK TAX TO PAY FOR BAILOUTS: ABANDONED

Any determination to introduce a common tax on banks to shield taxpayers from paying for another bailout -- an approach favored by Germany and its EU partners -- formally fell by the wayside on Sunday. G20 leaders agreed there are a range of policy approaches for making banks pay a "fair and substantial" contribution toward any government interventions.

"Some countries are pursuing a financial levy. Other countries are pursuing different approaches," the summit's communique said tersely.

It marks a victory for host Canada, along with Japan, Brazil and Australia, who balked at piling a tax on their banks, which required no bailouts during the financial crisis.

Any tax now introduced in Germany, France and Britain will have to be modest or else risk banks shifting operations to more tax-friendly locations.

Oh what a surprise, the corrupt politicians are going to let the banks continue the too big to fail approach and let them get even bigger and continue running the show!

Originally posted by NoHierarchy
So you don't think the delegates at G20 aren't at least a littttle bit scared of these protests?? I mean they're calling for possible EVACUATION of them... how is that not fear based? I don't even think any of these protesters would actually try to HURT them... I just think even holding the meetings hostage (not the people) and DEMANDING to be heard and DEMANDING serious answers is what they fear. Though I'm sure they understand the protests even less than the media does, thus the ignorant fear and continuance of their blind injustices.

Whoever you heard calling for a possible "evacuation" of delegates is delusional. The protests are nowhere near large enough to warrant that. The delegates were never "held hostage" - and nor were their meetings.

And by the way, what ARE the protests about? You talk about it as though everyone is there for one common purpose. They aren't. There are dozens of groups protesting, some of them are even at odds with each other. There isn't any one message, and there certainly aren't any core questions being posed which demand answers.

As for Starbucks... I can't say how much "they" care, but it absolutely has SOME effect on their awareness of these protests and the rage/concerns against them (and businesses like them). Though I have the same concern that a broken window will cause more problems for the local workers than the CEO, I still believe in the larger struggle it is acceptable. Local workers SHOULD be more aware of the organizations they work for and the ethics involved (no matter how far removed). Who knows, maybe some of the workers secretly cheered it on! We cannot say for sure... but like I said in a previous reply- simply holding up a sign in a sea of signs will NOT make Starbucks think about ANYTHING they're doing. Vandalism is historically a very clear (even if brash) demonstration of disapproval of a powerful entity and I accept its role in civil disobedience so long as the targets are legit.

Looking through the damage photos today, I see several places I recognize from my years in Toronto. Pizza Pizza, for one. A local business that has done a HUGE amount of good in the city over the years - trashed. Locally owned and operated tour company, windows trashed. Tim Hortons franchise, trashed. Small furniture store, trashed. Shop selling locally designed and produced fashion, trashed. IDA drug store (chains, but independently owned and operated), trashed. Add that to the other property damage, the trashed cars, the sidewalks torn up for bricks....

What was the point again?

Like I said, it's about SENDING A STRONG MESSAGE without hurting anybody. Even the local workers don't lose any money when this happens... I'm sure they could care less in that respect, unless they actually care about the profits of the CEO, in which case I have no patience for their ignorance of the reality of the organizations/systems they do the slave-work for.

Oh, I see. A strong message.

And what would that be again? What message is sent to the owner of a franchise famous for giving out food to the homeless (Pizza Pizza) when a bunch of jerks trash his shop? What message is sent to his employees, who will lose a couple of days work (as the place was forced to close during and after the protests)? What message is sent to the person who mistakenly parked their car on the street where they live, only to have their windows kicked in? How about to the scores of workers forced to choose between their safety and going to work?

Not every company has a CEO raking in massive profits. In the affected areas of Toronto, a lot of the shops are local. And it doesn't matter if the violence is directed at "the system they do slave-work for" - its still screwing over a lot of people who don't deserve it. And I have no patience for anyone who cant figure out that you don't save the workers of the world by thrashing the places they work at, or by forcing them to stay home for a few days, or even by just being there and ensuring that no one is going to be spending any money in their shop for the weekend.

reply to post by john124


Oh! So biz are now angels?

Yeah right! The people would love and positively grovel for loose change and pity from them. The people are like dogs and need charity, not work, fed with scraps.

Get a life and stop defending those whom are enslaving humanity. Every biz is part of the problem, as they push the buck up to the Corporations while profiting from their policies, feeding humans with scraps and like dogs, happily wagging their tails and lapping it all up.

It's not everyday a biz shopfront gets stoned. It's not everyday that the employees are made to loose hours due to protests.

Those moronic leaders had once again shown their incompetence to hold their talkfest in a major city in these trouble times where humanity is frustrated with their insane greedy policies that favoured the Corporations enslavement of mankind. Those shops and vehicles were in the path of humanity's wrath.

The People's frustrations had shown. They are only human. Today, only unoccupied shops and gestapo vehicles got burn. If the morons still do not listen and come out for a fairer distribution of wealth, but only with more draconian measures to curb freedom and further enslavement, you will most definately see more than just unoccupied shopfronts and gestapo vehicles being burn.

A message had been sent by the frustrated. Ignore at ones' peril.

the ones setting cars on fire and creating havoc are just trouble makers, who are there just because they don't have anything to do. a waste of time

reply to post by Soulshock


Trouble makers? Think again. They are only human. Frustrated humans at the incompetence of the moronic leaders, regardless if they did it on their own free will or were agent provocatuers.

Approx 900 arrests
news.nationalpost.com...

Including media photographers and just random people walking the streets.

The toronto mayor said the were not activists nor anarchists, all 900 of them were criminals.

There are reports that 600 to about 900 people got arrested this weekend, and most are STILL under detention, even with the G20 gone. THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE STILL IMPRISONED IN A DETENTION CAMP AS WE SPEAK, and all this... just for protesting peacefully!

Here's a report of an average guy living with his family, who woke at 4 am in morning with a gun pointed on his head and goons grabbing him violently out of his house... Where they thieves? No! They were (surprise surprise) COPS!

“I was awoken to four police officers in my bedroom ... the officer in charge ... was pointing a handgun at me and asked me my name and who else was in the house,” he wrote. “They repeatedly said they had a search warrant and arrest warrant for me. At no point did they produce this warrant to prove my name was on it and I suspect they were lying. “

Not only they didn't had a warrant... they LIED to the man into making him believe they had one!

This is madness. This is fascist dictatorship. The global elite has taken over most of Toronto, moved hundred of people from their homes, denied residents and workers from their basic rights to move freely in the city (facing immediate arrest if they can't provide an ID or don't wanna be bothered by cops) and instated a Police State all over the place, with a huge steel fence surrounding them... all this just so that they will have a nice time together debating the fate of the planet?

That's it! If you wanna find criminals, gangsters, crooked, devious, murderous people, stop looking at the direction of some colored persons in a #ty suburb of your city, or for some illegal immigrants, HERE ARE THE THUGS! They've been hiding in plain sight, protected by hordes of brutal goons and corrupt bureaucrats, they are after you and all what you have, there is NO LIMIT to their corporate greed! Think the BP oil disaster is horrible and must be stopped? THEY DON'T GIVE A FLYING JOE!!!

Because they are the biggest parasites, crooks and sociopaths in the world! It's THEM we must FIGHT, not our neighbors! Global bankers, corporate big shots, major land owners, military contractors, and bulldogs who are trained and paid to defend them at all costs, no matter your Constitution, no matter your rights, no matter whatever that won't scare them hell of them and tell them to back off!

These are your enemies.

[edit on 28/6/10 by Echtelion]

"Regardless if there were agent provocatuers or not, even though armed only with laughable 'weapons' such as stones and lighters hurting no humans, the fact remains that a significant portion of humans are protesting against the puppet leaders, and by extension their insane policies."

Agent provocateurs are used to marginalize and discredit legitimate and peaceful protesters. They are also used to justify the insane amount of money stolen from the taxpayers and wasted on this garbage.

The reason why this tactic works is because people are complete morons, which is the same exact reason why 9/11 and two fraudulent wars were pulled off with hardly a whimper from the masses. You see, your everyday idiot who believes everything he sees on the TV news, sees the so-called "Anarchists" causing property damage and then lumps all protesters into this same group. It's a knee jerk reaction, a specialization by those who are brain dead.

Ever ask yourself, why are these alleged "Anarchists" permitted to cause property damage and are rarely videotaped being caught by authorities, while the peaceful protesters are the ones always being harassed and rounded up? It's a dirty game, and it's played all the time by a punch of people who cannot be trusted.

Ain't it amazing what kind of Police State Production you can set up for a cool Billion? Assuming of course, the entire billion went toward this dog and pony show.