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G20 protest violence escalates in Toronto

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posted on Jun, 28 2010 @ 10:13 PM
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Call me crazy, but if all people wanted to do was cause damage, wouldn't it be easier for them to do it AWAY from where all the cops are?

This tells me that the damage being done is by people who want to give the cops a REASON to break up the protests. When damage begins to occur the cops can reclassify the PROTEST as a RIOT - then the cops can pretty much do what ever they want to whom ever they want. If you are in the crowd, then you are a rioter and they can beat you up and arrest you. YOU can get charged for setting the cop car on fire even though you had nothing to do with it.

A real anarchist would be on the other side of town burning stuff down, breaking windows, etc. These are just agent provocateurs.

[edit on 28-6-2010 by harrytuttle]




posted on Jun, 28 2010 @ 10:19 PM
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First of all, a lot of these people want to do damage around the cops in order to make a scene and show their displeasure, or they're not exactly the brightest bulbs on the tree. There's not exactly a motive to even do it away from the cops anyway. Should they start vandalizing other people's homes and buildings that are not associated with the G20? However, you cannot simply call them "agents" because they do something you disapprove of. That's just paranoid nonsense.

On a different note; I find it funny that these people cannot even storm a G20 summit from some cops and riot squads, yet think it's feasible to overthrow the entire government. Are these people serious? Do they really think they can overthrow the entire system when they can't get past some cops? If you think fighting these lackies is tough, then you haven't seen anything when it comes to the military and cover operatives. You guys can't get past the mediocre tactics of some riot squads. You guys would be utterly demolished if you tried anything serious.



posted on Jun, 28 2010 @ 10:56 PM
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Originally posted by Illuminatus!
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First of all, a lot of these people want to do damage around the cops in order to make a scene and show their displeasure, or they're not exactly the brightest bulbs on the tree. There's not exactly a motive to even do it away from the cops anyway. Should they start vandalizing other people's homes and buildings that are not associated with the G20? However, you cannot simply call them "agents" because they do something you disapprove of. That's just paranoid nonsense.

On a different note; I find it funny that these people cannot even storm a G20 summit from some cops and riot squads, yet think it's feasible to overthrow the entire government. Are these people serious? Do they really think they can overthrow the entire system when they can't get past some cops? If you think fighting these lackies is tough, then you haven't seen anything when it comes to the military and cover operatives. You guys can't get past the mediocre tactics of some riot squads. You guys would be utterly demolished if you tried anything serious.

What makes you think they are trying to get past the cops? Your assumption is that they are trying to get through the cops to kill the G20 participants? That's gotta be what you are suggesting, why else would they try to get past them, as you suggest?

And you call accusations of agent provocateurs "paranoid nonsense"?


Seriously, if any small group wanted to "get" anyone of those G20 members, they could do it, but they sure as $#!* wouldn't try it during a beefed up security presence.

I think the fact that these G20 participants haven't been killed is a pretty good indicator that no one means them any direct harm.

The anarchists aren't murders, they want to destroy corporate property and you are right that they probably want press coverage for it. But who says they wouldn't get press coverage for destroying a whole bunch of corporate property on the other side of town where there isn't nearly as much as police presence?

Pretty sure that if some anarchists burned down a McDonalds and half a dozen buildings that it would get press coverage.

[edit on 28-6-2010 by harrytuttle]



posted on Jun, 28 2010 @ 11:23 PM
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Originally posted by harrytuttle

Originally posted by Illuminatus!
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First of all, a lot of these people want to do damage around the cops in order to make a scene and show their displeasure, or they're not exactly the brightest bulbs on the tree. There's not exactly a motive to even do it away from the cops anyway. Should they start vandalizing other people's homes and buildings that are not associated with the G20? However, you cannot simply call them "agents" because they do something you disapprove of. That's just paranoid nonsense.

On a different note; I find it funny that these people cannot even storm a G20 summit from some cops and riot squads, yet think it's feasible to overthrow the entire government. Are these people serious? Do they really think they can overthrow the entire system when they can't get past some cops? If you think fighting these lackies is tough, then you haven't seen anything when it comes to the military and cover operatives. You guys can't get past the mediocre tactics of some riot squads. You guys would be utterly demolished if you tried anything serious.

What makes you think they are trying to get past the cops? Your assumption is that they are trying to get through the cops to kill the G20 participants? That's gotta be what you are suggesting, why else would they try to get past them, as you suggest?

And you call accusations of agent provocateurs "paranoid nonsense"?


Seriously, if any small group wanted to "get" anyone of those G20 members, they could do it, but they sure as $#!* wouldn't try it during a beefed up security presence.

I think the fact that these G20 participants haven't been killed is a pretty good indicator that no one means them any direct harm.

The anarchists aren't murders, they want to destroy corporate property and you are right that they probably want press coverage for it. But who says they wouldn't get press coverage for destroying a whole bunch of corporate property on the other side of town where there isn't nearly as much as police presence?

Pretty sure that if some anarchists burned down a McDonalds and half a dozen buildings that it would get press coverage.

[edit on 28-6-2010 by harrytuttle]


Well, they must want to get past the cops. Why else would they be standing there and wasting their time? Being there won't change anything unless they want to get them. Also, no group of civilians can possibly get anyone in the G20. That's nonsense. If you think it's that simple to do then people would have done so already and it would show that the government isn't in on any big conspiracy, because they wouldn't even be able to defend themselves from some ignorant hooligans and that alone would prove they aren't any threat.

Also, I do think that you saying they're agents is nonsense. The people are stupid enough as it is. They have no need to discredit the protesters because the protesters do a good job of that on their own already.

Also, destroying corporate property won't change a thing. Sure, they could burn down a McDonald's, but that won't do anything except get them worse coverage than they already have and it will be rebuilt anyway. You don't have the means to take on the system headfirst. Hell, you don't even have the means for a geurilla conflict. If you think protesting and burning down a Mcdonald's will take your enemy down, then you are sadly mistaken.



posted on Jun, 30 2010 @ 05:25 AM
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posted on Jun, 30 2010 @ 05:26 AM
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nice article very truthful

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