The "My Favorite UFO Video" Thread

reply to post by Maybe...maybe not


Nothing could be further from the truth.

I respect your opinions and have nothing against you personally. I think we are like minded individuals, and certainly do agree on more things than we disagree on.

I simply am trying to understand why you insist on posting absurd theorys in an attempt to debunk the material I am presenting, then seemingly vanish from the discussion when I present you with major flaws in your theorys?

I am respectfully requesting your concrete proof that the UFO in the video in question is a balloon.

If you cannot prove it, simply say so. I think that would be the "kind" thing to do.

And if you can prove it, and explain all the flaws that are apparent in your balloon theory then please go right ahead.

Kind Regards,

GeminiSky

If a person is a true researcher and genuinely wishes to "deny ignorance", one cannot pick and choose who they reply to.

It is quite easy to cherry pick the easier ones and reply knowing full well that you are making a valid point. Its alot harder when faced with something you cannot debate. Its even harder to stay, and talk things out like adults.

Many people on ATS choose the easy road, posting flawed theory's and making absurd claims only to VANISH from the thread when asked to explain themselves.

Why waste your energy guys? I have never ran away from any discussion, if I am wrong I choose to admit it on the spot, AND MOVE ON; rather than continuing to fight a losing battle only to disappear when its obvious I cant win.

When are we all going to behave like adults and truly deny ignorance, starting with our own?

Only then can we make progress and get to the truth of things, especially the UFO phenomenon.

Ah, another Fav. UFO vid thread, cool! Here's mine, not the typical UFO video either, this one still has me scratching my head, and I think its pretty awesome!


Just a little info, this video shows a "meteor" breaking up as it enters the atmosphere, BUT, something else hitched a ride! This video has been around awhile, it was filmed in Turkey, around 1Nov2002. Also you can find several explanations as to what some think this was, here's a link to one...Turkey Meteor Ufo







I think it was obviously something coming in to the atmosphere, but that blinking red light is just crazy!

I like this one LARGE UFO SANTIAGO CHILE INCREDIBLE AMAZING VIDEO footage!!



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reply to post by GeminiSky


You responded to maybe..maybe not with this statement:

why you insist on posting absurd theorys in an attempt to debunk the material I am presenting

Well, not to be rude, but many, many, many many theories on these videos are far LESS absurd than the some sort of alien answer. You might think maybe-maybe-not is a debunker because he doesn't make the leap to the least likely conclusion just because he can't 100% debunk a video.

You must understand (and I hope you do) that just because a video can't be "debunked" to your satisfaction, that it doesn't mean it is alien or real UFO. I could spend two hours here on my computer and make any number of videos that "can't be debunked" 100%. So I guess my videos would get your stamp of "alien seal of approval"?

On the thread topic, doesn't anyone besides me think it is odd that when asked for the best videos out there, we still have nothing greater than blurry lights in the sky, balloon looking images, and OBVIOUS mis-identification of terrestrial aircraft? Way back in the day I looked forward to these times, as I saw technology progressing to the point we would have something more solid by now. Much the way some of you younger folk feel, you probably think that in the next 20 years video recording technology will be so cheap, so available and so everywhere that the video evidence you seek will be abundant. Got news for ya, keep waiting.

The main problem with this subject is the mindset that these videos amount to more than a hill of beans. Pardon me saying this, but anyone who latches onto these videos is a part of the problem that ufology is looked as as being full of "wackos and ignorant weirdos".

The inmates have ran this asylum for far to long, and look where it has gotten us? Yet those same inmates piss and moan when they say they can't be taken seriously. Makes me cry inside.

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Originally posted by dlifesjrny

Originally posted by Maybe...maybe not
Regarding the video you 1st posted, I also view that one as the typical lunaincognita "hodge podge" of poorly analysed & validated material.
Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

Does that mean you think that video is largely not "real ufos"?
Most of it, not all, seems compelling. I'm ok with things being debunked, I just am unaware of the status of the footage in that particular video.

Dlifesjrny.....

I tell you what I'll do.....

I'll go through the video & express my opinion regarding every "object" therein.

That is the best way to answer your question.

That might take me a while because I am presently ducking a few chores whilst I'm on here & I might get marched outside to do a few things before I finish!

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

reply to post by dlifesjrny


Dlifesjrny…..

OK…..

I have seen every single 1 of these before, but I cannot recall the explanation for all of the “objects” in the video.

Here are my comments regarding the film:

00.05: Scratch on film

00.17: Don’t know

00.25: External fuel tank post jettison

00.31: Ice from inside external fuel tank

00.42: Part of external equipment “arm”

01.03: Don’t know

01.22: Debris / part / tool

01.45: See recent thread; probably camera / lens reflection / flare

01.50: camera / lens reflection / flare

01.57: Rotating debris

02.08: Film fault or debris on film

02.18: Water droplet inside window

02.49: See recent thread - debris with movement effect due to shuttle movement / trajectory

02.54: Rotating debris

02.59: Rotating debris

03.05: Rotating debris

03.07: Rotating debris

03.12: Rotating debris

03.15: Reflection? …..hard to tell

03.23: Reflection? …..hard to tell

03.28: Not sure

03.40: See recent thread – reflection

03.50: See recent threads – Mitchell transcript….many problems

04.11: Don’t know

04.52: Reflection

05.03: Don’t know; see previous threads

05.07: Interesting case…..see detailed threads

05.19: Joke

05.23: Part

05.42: Debris

05.46: Don’t know

06.01: Light changing making object appear to get bigger / smaller

06.10: Light changing making object appear to get bigger / smaller

06.29: Musgrave audio – nothing definitive

06.39: Rotating debris

06.49: Ice particles

07.00: See threads - camera bokeh effect derived from ice particles

07.09: Ice particles

07.29: See threads – camera bokeh effect

07.41: Hard to tell – part or ice from external fuel tank?

08.04: See threads – interesting…..not sure

08.52: Camera bokeh effect

09.10: Rotating debris / ice particles

09.33: Camera / bokeh effect

Kind regards
Maybe…maybe not

reply to post by Springheel Jack


Springheel Jack.....

I recall that case, but not all the detail therein.

If you can repair your link, I would like to look at that again.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

reply to post by cripmeister


Cripmeister.....

Your link's busted too!!!

Cheers mate
Maybe...maybe not

Well 2 of my favs!!!

These videos were Flimed in the Early 1950s

they were examined by the Air Force and the Navy! and Both Branches
Could Not explain them ! They Concluded it was NOT a Plane , Balloon Nor a Bird!! one of them at first thought the Montana UFOS was a Jet Fighter Glare until they took a second Look ! Still the most Un Debunked film!

They are the most noticeable Ufo ! you see them in Fleets the Foo Fighters and today's Orbs! you see them allover Youtube and Google


Nick Mariana UFO Footage - 1950 - Great Falls, Montana


Delbert Newhouse UFO Footage - 1952 - Tremonton, Utah


Secret Montana & Utah UFO Films Secret should say was . ..






These Film were Classified and only shown to Government & Military Officials they are now in public view

Maybe Or Maybe Not have you seen these films and what are your thoughts about them !


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reply to post by Wolfenz


Wolfenz…..

Thank you for posting those very interesting videos!

For purposes of clarity of discussion, I will reply separately for each video.

Video 1:

Nick Mariana UFO Footage - 1950 - Great Falls, Montana

I am not familiar with this video.

I have some questions:

What parts of the video are “original” & what parts of the video are “re enacted”?

How can the witness be so adamant about his height / size / speed assumptions?

Have you found any previous threads about this case?

Have you found any other source material reviewing & critiquing this case?

Kind regards
Maybe…maybe not

continued from my last post ..

UFO Fleet Guadalajara Mexico





UFO Fleet Report From South Korean TV News

reply to post by Wolfenz


Wolfenz…..

Thank you for posting those very interesting videos!

Video 2:

Delbert Newhouse UFO Footage - 1952 - Tremonton, Utah

I am very familiar with that video.

It is difficult to know what it is. To me, it remains an “unknown”.

Here is a very interesting thread by our dear friend jkrog08 pertaining to this video:

The 1952 Tremonton, Utah UFO Fleet

Kind regards
Maybe…maybe not

reply to post by Wolfenz


Wolfenz…..

Videos 4 & 5:

UFO Fleet Guadalajara Mexico

Those show flocks of birds.

You will find many threads to that effect, pertaining to these specific videos.

Look at it very carefully…..it becomes obvious…..you can see the flapping.

You should also look for the higher res versions of this video.

Kind regards
Maybe…maybe not


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Originally posted by Maybe...maybe not
reply to post by Wolfenz

 

Wolfenz…..

Thank you for posting those very interesting videos!

For purposes of clarity of discussion, I will reply separately for each video.

Video 1:

Nick Mariana UFO Footage - 1950 - Great Falls, Montana

I am not familiar with this video.

I have some questions:

What parts of the video are “original” & what parts of the video are “re enacted”?

How can the witness be so adamant about his height / size / speed assumptions?

Have you found any previous threads about this case?

Have you found any other source material reviewing & critiquing this case?

Kind regards
Maybe…maybe not

both of the videos were for the Government & Military Officials aka Elite, TPTB etc...
and a Interview of the people that film them in there own explanation of what they have filmed
( Note the one that filmed the Utah Ufo was at the time still in the military! )
the other part the last part is that analysis of them ! for the viewing to the TPTB


they were Originally not for Public View!

There are many websites that have this

a clear version of the Film
a quote from the youtube poster

Filmed at approximately 11:30 AM, August 15th, 1950 in Great Falls, Montana by Nicolas Mariana. This copy was was taken from the 1956 film "U.F.O." and is the cleanest copy of the footage I have yet

the only legitimate Proof of its Authenticity is finding the Film it self
it like trying to grab the JFK zapruder flim from Time

The films shown in 1952 to the CIA Robertson Panel


Dr J Allen Hynenk (Astronomer) in 1974 - Re: 1953 CIA Robertson Panel & 1952 Utah film.



continued ...


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continued ...


want more !
Im Stunned if it not cgi notice Shadow

UFOs Orbs Over West Virginia Power Plant



1950 FLYING SAUCER REPORT

UFO's Declassified Seen over District 1950's



www.youtube.com...
Former USAF Pilot Saw UFO Crash in 1955
www.youtube.com...

Before Roswell !!
NBC Report On 'The Battle Of L.A' Military Attack UFO Over Los Angeles 1942
www.youtube.com...

UFO foo fighter WWII footage
www.youtube.com...

UFOs Foo Fighters were seen by pilots in WWII
www.youtube.com...

My World War 2 "Foo-Fighters"
www.youtube.com...

Just like what i had in my first post Foo Fighters Utah Montana Films
The truth is nothing can be proven unless you have the Original Footage



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reply to post by Maybe...maybe not


thanks ! i noticed it good catch ! on the
UFO Fleet Guadalajara Mexico

but at the last end of the film thats one big darn bird or a group of them
so close together ! it just funny that there is almost no movement

i have seen many times Geese flying high where i live ( boarder of Canada
they look so close but move faster! and you can see the faint movement of their flapping wings but im still looking for a flock of birds in Guadalajara Mexico thats almost stationary also im looking for night flock of birds i know the bats here fly in a flock but move to fast .. but the Fleets that i do see the ones that stop in midair then move again those are not birds
unless its a Giant humming bird! LOL had to say that one !






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reply to post by Wolfenz


Wolfenz…..

Video 6:

UFO Fleet Report From South Korean TV News

That is such a poor video, I have no idea what that is.

It is most probably birds or balloons or something like that.

You should also look for higher res versions of this video.

Kind regards
Maybe…maybe not

reply to post by Wolfenz


Wolfenz…..

Video 7:

No Title

That is a very poor quality video.

It is most probably balloons.

You should look for higher res versions of this video.

Kind regards
Maybe…maybe not

reply to post by Wolfenz


Wolfenz…..

Video: UFO Orbs Over West Virginia Power Plant

That is a well known CGI hoax that has been discussed extensively on ATS.

Kind regards
Maybe…maybe not