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Originally posted by regs
Due to the fact that this is getting off the paranormal topic, I am moving this to the Religion forum. If you object, u2u me and tell me why and I will think about moving back here, if it will stay on topic.
regs out...
Originally posted by dlbrandt
God got my attention when my mom got breast cancer. Just a little thought.
Originally posted by dlbrandt
King David committed adultery with Bathsheba got he pregnant and then killed her husband. God didn't approve of that, God even took the life of the child.(the child went to heaven) He puts these stories in their to show me that When I sin consequences will result from it.
Originally posted by Panzerschreck
I just love it when people tear each other apart! So what exactly is the outcome of this little fight?
[Edited on 14-6-2004 by Panzerschreck]
J.K. Rowling admits that the potions, curses, and spells that she writes about are authentic and that she obtained them from books that promote the religion of witchcraft. She writes her book series as fantasies, but the facts and details that she describes about witchcraft are very real!
When a Christian receives Christ as their personal Lord and Savior, the Holy Spirit enters that Christian's body, soul and spirit. God has claimed that person for His own and as a result, demons cannot occupy the same place as the Holy Spirit. Satan knows this and that is why he tries so hard to get to people first and have his demons or demonic influence control or affect that person.
murder, rape,
Returning to the website I keep on refering to [ www.espministries.com... ], I want to find out more about what people understand to be the links (if any) between such things as seances, pornography, Spiritualism (as a religion) and oh, Harry Potter! Is it indeed incorrect to put all these things into the same category (i.e. negative spiritual influences)?
I don't think anyone has yet answered one of my most important questions in this thread - namely is the spirit world something that we need to approach cautiously? Does anyone here have any experiences to relate that may suggest something out there in the spirit world doesn't have our best interests in mind?
Most people on these forums believe in God/god/gods/ in one form or another.
Originally posted by illimey
So we must examine this carefully. Do we believe in the existence of good and evil?
Originally posted by illimey
Do we think that just as physical good and evil battle, so does spiritual good and evil?
Do we think that it is important to be discerning when dealing with the spirit world - or in other words do we acknowledge that the spirit world holds dangers for the unwary traveler?
Originally posted by illimey
Do we accept accountability for our actions?
Or is there absolutely no reason for anyone to seek the ultimate truth as to our responsibilities and purpose of existence - thereby leaving us free to drift as best we see fit?
Deny ignorance.
Originally posted by DaRAGE
Originally posted by dlbrandt
God got my attention when my mom got breast cancer. Just a little thought.
No....The thought of death entered your mind and you got scared. God had nothing to do with it.
Originally posted by dlbrandt
King David committed adultery with Bathsheba got he pregnant and then killed her husband. God didn't approve of that, God even took the life of the child.(the child went to heaven) He puts these stories in their to show me that When I sin consequences will result from it.
Who didn't approve of that? God? How do you know? Coz the bible said so? Who told the bible? Men. Who really didn't approve of the Adultery? Men. Who killed who? Who killed the child? How do you know the child went to heaven? How do you know heaven even exists? God didn't put those stories in the bible. Men did. And it's all about controlling you and everyone else. Controlling as much people as possible. Making them live certain ways or else some magical being will punish them and send them to some magical hell, and if they are good little boys and girls, will go to heaven.
All you are is a blind sheep. Nothing but a blind sheep. I'm guessing your into metaphores because you read the bible and have closed yourself off to any other kind of thought. How about you open your eyes, open your mind, and start thnking about some things LOGICALLY.
I suggest you even just check out this site and have a bit of a read. It'll really get your mind thinking.
www.jovialatheist.com...
Originally posted by herm
Dealing with the Spirit is very dangerous. So is Christianity; ask any victim of the crusades.
Originally posted by dlbrandt
Originally posted by herm
Dealing with the Spirit is very dangerous. So is Christianity; ask any victim of the crusades.
I answered this question before on another question . The crusades were not of God. They were mans idea. Now it gets tricky beacause I'm going to tell you that some of the practices of the catholic church are not right. And people will say I'm bashing catholics. I'm telling you that the ways the institution require you to worship God are not what god requires of you. Someone comes to the christian God by realizing they are a sinner in need of a Savior. God is 1oo% Holy and cannot not look upon sin. My sin kept me from Him in all the fullness He desires. You see this universe is His, He made it. He also required payment for my sin. I could live my own life and die and keep my sin and be seperated from Him forever, or accept the fact that He sent Himself(Jesus Christ, who wanted to come and do this) and have my sin penalty transferred to Christ. Christ became my sin for me. God took out His judgement for my sin upon Christ.(Once again Christ knew He was going to have to do this before the foundation of the world). I believe and have accepted Christ as my Savior, and I know 100% I'm forgiven. I don't have my Bible with me, but I think it's in 1st John that God tells us that we can know we are saved by what Christ has done. My decision was to believe in Jesus. I'm not going to heaven because I'm good. I've spoken words of comfort to someone and 2 minutes later cursed people. My righteousness isn't based upon me, It's based on the completed work of Christ. Have you ever heard this illuustration. You are standing before a judge on a $300 dollar ticket. Based upon the witnesses the judge finds you guilty and orders you to pay the fine. You don't have the money. You are sentenced to jail. After the judge sentences you He takes off His robe comes down and stands beside you, pulls out his wallet and takes out $300 and puts it on the bench. He goes back up and puts on his robe and declares that the fine has been paid in full, and you are now free to go. That's what Christ did. He left the glory of Heaven, became like me, paid MY fine, and is now in heaven. Everytime satan accuses me before the Father about the sin I've just committed, Christ simply says PAID IN FULL. I cannot and will not deny my God.
Originally posted by Hecate100
Personally, I believe that it is impossible for we, as finite beings, to truly comprehend the Infinite.
It seems extremely arrogant for someone to claim otherwise.
All we can do is come up with our own way of dealing with our place on this Earth and a justification for how we live our lives.
Many years of study led me to conceive of Deity as all life, all energy, and all forms of the Divine. We perceive different aspects of Deity, be it God, Shiva, Hecate, etc., but each is only one facet of an enormous whole. Deity encompasses all aspects, be they creative or destructive, and it is only our judgment based on personal life impact that leads us to put the labels "good" and "evil" on them.
Psychic powers are, IMHO, hard-wired into our brains. We all have access to them, though some have certain abilities inherited or turned on through trauma & biochemical changes, while others develop them gradually. Most use them in service of other people, be it for healing, defense or other means. To those who have such abilities, they are no more unnatural than an arm or a leg. It's just part of us. It's easy for those who don't experience such things in their daily lives to condemn them as evil or coming from some infernal source, as they don't understand that it's just as natural as breathing. We who have them choose to see them as gifts from the Creator(s) of our choice (or not, to those who don't acknowledge deital influence).
My mother-in-law, a devout Baptist, can stop serious bleeding through prayer. I've seen it work. Yet some of her own congregation call her use of this gift a demonic power. She has no problem with me, her pagan/Witch daughter-in-law, because we both use our abilities to help other people. (Ironically, when the people who condemn us the loudest come to us for help and it is given without question or recrimination, they resent us all the more and somehow blame us for their troubles.)
Good and evil resides in the heart of every person, and it is how we use our gifts and what we do in our lives that reflects what kind of person we are. Not the particular books we swear by.
Edited to correct some grammatical errors.
[edit on 15-6-2004 by Hecate100]
Originally posted by stalkingwolf
Returning to the website I keep on refering to [ www.espministries.com... ], I want to find out more about what people understand to be the links (if any) between such things as seances, pornography, Spiritualism (as a religion) and oh, Harry Potter! Is it indeed incorrect to put all these things into the same category (i.e. negative spiritual influences)?
after reading as much of this sites unk che as i could i find it to be the usual
half truths, distortions, and disinformation that is usually found on this type site.
please give your definition of pornography and what you define as spiritualism.
I don't think anyone has yet answered one of my most important questions in this thread - namely is the spirit world something that we need to approach cautiously? Does anyone here have any experiences to relate that may suggest something out there in the spirit world doesn't have our best interests in mind?
i have had several "experiences" with the spirit world but you would not i feel
be interested as they were all of a positive nature, and it would appear from
this that you are only interested in negative ones.
Most people on these forums believe in God/god/gods/ in one form or another.
you have shown in this comment your total disregard for the beliefs of others.
by using upper case letters when refering to your god and lower case when refering to others God/Gods. as you are a christian and virtually all trace
of the feminine principle/ Goddess was long ago removed from that belief
system i will overlook your lack of discourse on that point..
perhaps my next post will help to clear up any questions you may have on my own beliefs.