Arizona Soon To Be Part Of Mexico!!

Originally posted by ghostsoldier
You do realise that is was only about 160 years ago that Arizona was part of Mexico, along with California, Texas and New Mexico - you guys invaded it and stole it, remember, you thought it was your god given duty to rule the north american continent...?

Don't get too caught up in Foxpublican propaganda.

Almost all land inhabited by men has been "stolen". It's called humanity, and the strong will always prevail until the stronger come around. Statements like these are idiotic. Almost all land on earth is "stolen".

Before anyone brings up the Native Americans. Keep in mind A LOT of the land that you know as the USA was GIVEN to us, not stolen.

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Originally posted by ghostsoldier
You do realise that is was only about 160 years ago that Arizona was part of Mexico, along with California, Texas and New Mexico - you guys invaded it and stole it, remember, you thought it was your god given duty to rule the north american continent...?

Don't get too caught up in Foxpublican propaganda.

Actually I find it funny how most Mexicans who don't know their history well. I am partial hispanic. First Texas already left Mexico around 1836. Santa Anna was the dictator of the time. Why Mexicans can't remember how badly Santa Anna ruled is beyond me. One of the reason why Texas broke free from Mexico. Texas joined the Union in 1845. That pissed off Santa Anna. He declared war on Texians. Santa Anna lost in the battle of San Jacinto. America took all the land that did not pass the Rio Grande as compensation.

Somebody is giving Mexicans false information like the americans stole the land from them. They keep on forgetting about how rough it was when Santa Anna was in charge.

reply to post by dragnet53


They also forget that the white people that lived in Texas, lived there under the rule of Mexico until Santa Anna became to much of a despot, that the Native Americans, Mexicans, and Anglo people revolted and left Mexico.

reply to post by brainwrek


Try educating yourself and studying the circumstances of the treaty of Hidalgo.

The treaty was ratified under duress
The conditions of what was being signed was not fully understood by the Mexican Government, regards to information regarding gold deposits in California that was not originally part of the agreement.
The articles of the treaty were altered by the US congress after it had been ratified by the Mexican congress, owing to lack of authority on behalf of the people who negotiated it!!! what?
The articles with regard to rights of mexican citizens with claim in those lands, or transition to US citizenship the land grants of Spain to be honored and kept, Was never honored, and in fact the US has been blatantly ignored and is to this day in breach of.

So yes, stolen as part of an expansionist manifesto known as manifest destiny, I think is a good word.

This is one of the reason Mexicans really don't like you guys. that and everything else you have been screwing them on the last 150 years.

reply to post by dragnet53

Somebody is giving Mexicans false information like the americans stole the land from them. They keep on forgetting about how rough it was when Santa Anna was in charge.

Move to the present. With the exception of a few brown kkk members named La Raza, most Mexicans nowadays don't care about the past. All they know is that this belongs to the US and this belongs to Mexico.

The chances of retaking any land from either country is basically nil. It will never happen.

reply to post by dragnet53


What a stupid statement that is.

You show me anyone alive today during the american mexican war!

Were you. Do Texans remember how bad it was or how good it was when they were annexed.

Why it is so, that Texas, has since then and to this day, considered itself separate in nature to the rest of the USA. Don't tell me they don't. I know many like this.

So why is it then, that if the war was over texas, that everything else West and North of Texas that belonged to Mexico was thrown in to the pot as well.

if it was just all about saving the poor hard done by Texans from the ravages of a despotic regime. instead they had to go after the resources at the point of a gun!/

Sound familiar doesn't it. Some thing never change I guess.

But YES. Stolen is the word. And that is the way that Mexicans still feel to this day.

They are well aware of Santa Ana. and what he did. And regard him as a complete idiot and with disdain and anger for what he did.

This, believe me is something that will NEVER leave the Mexican psyche.

reply to post by ghostsoldier


Ghostsoldier,

I mean no offence but what your saying is not only wrong but it does not represent what Mexicans feel.

You saying this is like me as a Mexican saying that Black People in America were stolen from Africa and wish to be returned to Africa immediately.

That clearly does not represent the true wishes of the Black American community now does it.

Texas was won fair and square and the rest of the land that the USA clearly owns was purchased legally. It matters not if it was forced or at gun point our Mexican officials signed and took the gold. Done Deal.

Illegal immigrant in no way, I'd say they actually dread the thought of the Land they spent so much money being smuggled into turning back into Mexico.

La Raza are an over blown small little college campus group of idiots who think Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez are some how members of parliament in Mexico. They are more focused on socialism rather than Mexico's best interest. La Raza wants America to be socialist and even they don't want to be part of Mexico.

sorry to lay this out for you like this but Us Mexicans are quite tired of having words put in our mouths. By Americans.

reply to post by jam321


I agree about that the chances of the borders changing back is zipola.

But I would not say by any stretch of the imagination that Mexicans don't care about their history. I would say that they do very much, and have their own traditions and annual dates and rituals, just as every other country does

maybe not the border jumping guys that you see (which have just as much chance of being central american, too)

Imagine this for a second. Central American guy tries to run the border, gets caught. Were are you from. Ahh me I am from Meh-hiko.

OK well back you go them!

KICK

OK Mexican has big problems with illegals from C.A. as it is a very popular place for them to go to so who is to say that these guys don't just pretend if they get caught so they can be officially sent (without papers) to the 2nd choice of country!

Any of you say that "who would wnat to live in Mexico, it's bad" needs to come a little further in towards central mexico.

It really is quite lovely, modern, dynamic, large middle class population. everything you can get in America, Just better tacos.

Originally posted by JakiusFogg
reply to post by brainwrek

 

Try educating yourself and studying the circumstances of the treaty of Hidalgo.

The treaty was ratified under duress

Yeah . . . Mexico was getting whooped. The problem?

The conditions of what was being signed was not fully understood by the Mexican Government, regards to information regarding gold deposits in California that was not originally part of the agreement.

What is not to understand?

The articles of the treaty were altered by the US congress after it had been ratified by the Mexican congress, owing to lack of authority on behalf of the people who negotiated it!!! what?

THE PROTOCOL OF QUERÉTARO . Research it.

The articles with regard to rights of mexican citizens with claim in those lands, or transition to US citizenship the land grants of Spain to be honored and kept, Was never honored, and in fact the US has been blatantly ignored and is to this day in breach of.

Wrong. Most of the land claims were taken care of. There were some that did not get taken care of, but most got through.

So yes, stolen as part of an expansionist manifesto known as manifest destiny, I think is a good word.

Stolen by the Mexican government and given to the US government, maybe.

This is one of the reason Mexicans really don't like you guys. that and everything else you have been screwing them on the last 150 years.

Yes. The US put them in the situation that they are in.

reply to post by JakiusFogg


They did have to go through Mexico to get here . . . so they are Mexico's problem as well.

reply to post by JakiusFogg

Any of you say that "who would wnat to live in Mexico, it's bad" needs to come a little further in towards central mexico.

It really is quite lovely, modern, dynamic, large middle class population. everything you can get in America, Just better tacos.

You're giving away the secrets spots.

Central American guy tries to run the border, gets caught. Were are you from. Ahh me I am from Meh-hiko.

Can't blame them for saying Mexico. Easier to get across again rather than starting off from Central America.

reply to post by Lemon.Fresh


Agreed and I did allude to that in my last post.

it was said as an ironic statement on the premise that they could if they so wished.

reply to post by Lemon.Fresh


BTW. Love your location tag

"Supporting Texas independence"

I think that suns up what I have been saying all along quite nicely.

reply to post by jam321


Nah mate, I'm a Brit who live in Mexico.

I just want people to have a better idea of the place than just Cancum, Vallarta, and Grug Wars.

That's like saying I ain't going to LA becuase of Compton. or the Bronx

Reply to post by JakiusFogg

What is that?


Edit: And that is precisely why I have never gone to LA.






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just need the militia to post snipers along the border and take over control of the border.

so tired of illegals. instead of trying to do it legally, or staying in their own damn country and trying to fight their own government for better labor laws they would rather try the easy way out and come in illegaly, waste taxpayers money on the govt programs to babysit them.

Shocked me when I was in Orlando, they had advertisements at shops on state road 50 couple of them targetting illegals and getting them on food stamps.

disgusting, it's called illegal for a reason. and only politically correct morons want to redefine the word and any word that get's their panties in a bunch.

illegals and this age of political correctness both needs to be done away with

there is a right way and a wrong way, there is no middle ground

reply to post by Lemon.Fresh


That the war was about Texans wanting to be independent from Mexico so the US came along and save them, and got the rest of Mexico ion the bag to boot!

it was mentioned earlier that Texans were really happy about being saved. from the ravages of Mexico.

So I asked why is it that since then Texas has always wanted to be independent/.

reply to post by Cito

just need the militia to post snipers along the border and take over control of the border.

Of course, the militia needs permission from the government first.

instead of trying to do it legally, or staying in their own damn country and trying to fight their own government for better labor laws they would rather try the easy way out and come in illegaly, waste taxpayers money on the govt programs to babysit them.

I thought Nafta promised better labor laws.

I ask you, how successful have US citizens been in fighting our government? What makes you think Mexicans will fare any better?

Whether one wants to admit it or not, Mexico and the US are more intertwined than most wants to admit.

Originally posted by ghostsoldier
You do realise that is was only about 160 years ago that Arizona was part of Mexico, along with California, Texas and New Mexico - you guys invaded it and stole it, remember, you thought it was your god given duty to rule the north american continent...?

Don't get too caught up in Foxpublican propaganda.

Here you go, Educate yourself.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by ghostsoldier
You do realise that is was only about 160 years ago that Arizona was part of Mexico, along with California, Texas and New Mexico - you guys invaded it and stole it, remember, you thought it was your god given duty to rule the north american continent...?

Don't get too caught up in Foxpublican propaganda.

Actually.. Mexico had "Claims" to a large swath of land north of the rio (originally claimed by SPAIN) however it had little actual presence there aside from small trading towns established by the original Spanish explorers.

Arizona/Texas was a border dispute between Mexico and the Republic of Texas.. it was a war of aggression started by Mexico, and Mexico lost, loosing them a massive piece of land that was technically only inhabited by Native Americans and a few settlers at the time.

Neither of the three countries (Texas was it's own Republic) had a legitimate connection to the territory.. it was all imperialistic. Saying Mexico (Spain really) had a first and most legitimate claim to the territories is ignorant to an extreme.

Perhaps this picture will educate you, and those like you.

upload.wikimedia.org...

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