I am sorry to report well is crippled down hole very long read

I think they know that any expertise on solving these type of problems are already working on it. I think it is right to say that what they are doing now is the only thing they CAN do. As the OP clearly states; any attempts in stemming the flow could exacerbate the problem. A relief well is all that can be done, that and syphoning off a bit of the oil gushing out. It is a precarious situation and it needs to be at least stable before the relief well is done.

The situation has to be far worse than anyone is letting on, because if it wasn't then the President in all probability would have taken over the show with all the international help he could muster.

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What about the other leaks? What about the destabilization of the ocean floor, all that water has to go somewhere when the oil is out?

reply to post by Real-Stinker


Actually that is based on an interpretation of the text from the 1800's that really isn't accurate if you read all of the things it is based off of. Evangelical Christians are basically just blinded by this and try to develop a relationship with the Church, not with God as they are supposed to. It is a perfect control mechanism though. Christians who believe in this fully won't try to do anything big, because they believe that it won't matter soon. So you have millions of people with the mindset of "Who cares? I won't be here when it all goes down." If anything they want to speed up the supposed "prime situation" for the "Rapture."

I'm a Christian, and I haven't bought into that for many years now. For that I'm basically shunned from any church I try to go to when I start stating the facts. Been turning into more of a Deist because of that. Basically half and half right now.

I do think it is pretty interesting that most people are seeing this as the second vial. When if we are to take that in a timeline is way ahead of its time. The vial-series of events is after the Anti-Christ has taken control and makes people take his mark. This is because the first vial afflicts people with the Mark of the Beast with sores. Last I check there hasn't been a global outbreak of sores, so while interesting I wish people would make sure they don't start jumping steps in their own beliefs. It just doesn't wash.

The oil spill may cause something like this though. If the mysterious crop damage being seen in the South is caused by the upswell of air from the gulf and it contains heightened chemical content, then it would cause some sores. Problem here though is that it would be everyone, not a specific group.

I checked the National Hurricane Center and there is an area with 50% chance of a tropical depression forming in the next 48 hours. People should keep an eye on that website since hurricanes are being seen as a potential scary chapter in this, though if the whole thing collapses it'll basically be game over for everyone in my opinion.
National Hurricane Center

reply to post by curioustype
I don't think it's possible to cap off the leak too, because the sea floor is damaged and there are other leaks in the gulf but what I don't understand is why they are not siphoning off the oil using a funnel option. Drop the funnel, and siphon off the oil, they can use dozens of small tubes bunched together, and even if it is away from the pressure of the oil gusher itself these tubes will be able to suck up much oil, there needs to be entire ships on the surface sucking off the oil.

I'm particularly intrigued by some of the theories here. Is the PTB trying to terraform Earth? Not only is oil coming out, but a whole host of various noxious gases as well. Over decades of nonstop oil flow it's possible for our atmosphere being unable to support human life. Some lifeforms will be able to survive of course but humanity on the surface will be wiped out.

The 'elites' do have a plan to depopulate the planet, and their inaction leads me to suspect that something indeed is going on.

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That is a good point, BUT ARE THEY DOING ALL THEY CAN. I don't think so.

I notice it's all over the MSM that Obama is due to have a VERY public meeting with the Head of BP imminently - why now (after so much time)? MSM suggestion is that this will generate an update/report from BP on it's plans etc..that's hardly new is it?

If OP is correct, and they really are running out of both time and ideas, and as they see this is being discussed openly, I wonder whether this may turn out to be some kind of opportunity to (metaphorically) get down on his knees, publicly apologise and relinquish command as it were to Obama - admitting to a now unstoppable chain of events?

If the OP is correct, then the financial fall-out from this for BP may have such massive ramifications that such a controlled press release possibly accompanied by some kind of 'special measures' government(s) intervention may seem prudent to some (leaders) or even insisted upon?

Perhaps the government may require such a step/transition prior to escalating their next level of response, preparing for further escalations from mother nature?

I'm beginning to buy into the argument that this is an intentional catastrophe and that TPTB don't intend to stop it.

The total response from Day One has been weak at best and foot dragging on the part of so-called leadership.

BP have fumbled about like they are just putting on a little dog and pony show as someone mentioned earlier.

I'm beginning to smell a rat. The Bilderbergers just met. It's pretty common knowledge that the elite wants depopulation and yes, the elite have underground retreats prepared for what reason we don't know and haven't been told.

It's time for some force to be applied to end this disaster. Where that force is going to come from is anybody's guess at this point. The sheeple are so dumbed down, they will sit around and do nothing.

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Hurricanes may mean all vessels leave the site, that plus the storm may trigger something, therefore, and if OP is correct, which seems possible, POTUS may have decided he must act at a certain point in advance of that likely event/Hurricane, hence BP chief in to globally-prepped MSM meeting imminently so POTUS can move things to next level?

I have been following this topic with great interest.

I have education / undergrad degrees (US) in mechanical engineering and environmental science. I have nearly completely a Master's degree in Math as well.

But I do not work on such things as these. I can read about them and get the gist of it, but do not work in this specific field and hence can't really come up with any ideas.

However - I did think of one today that might be something to look at. Who knows?

I do also understand why perhaps very few know what to do. Things become highly specialized and it appears this situation is without precedent.

Anyway - I am thinking of the Oosterschelde storm surge barrier which was constructed in The Netherlands. Here is some basic info:
Deltawerken / Oosterschelde storm surge barrier

In this construction, specialized equipment was built to lay down foundations on the sea floor. I don't think this was as deep as the Gulf of MX - but - perhaps such undersea construction could generate some ideas?

If not for 'stopping' this mess - for containment?

The other idea I had was - why aren't geologists and underwater people being consulted? I keep seeing that no one knows / BP won't tell how *big* this undersea pocket (s) of oil and gas are - well - can't that be figured some other way? What is *around* those pockets? Work 'backward' from other data etc.

As far as plugging up the leaks - what did they dig this well with? There is this huge pressure - but what about hydraulic or pneumatic equipment?

I think a nuke is a bad idea. Might not work and too much contamination potential. Why not another type of 'blast'? Magnesium burns under water, as does a bunch of things - if it has to be 'blown up' - why not try something else first? I can see that there needs to be something that can overcome the press coming out.

What about the other fissures? Shut one hole and won't it just then blow out at the other weak spots?

If the sea floor does not collapse I am thinking a great area of it must be stabilized somehow.

But as I said - I don't understand much of this and even less of geology.

I suppose my point here is though - WHY aren't people looking for more creative and sane ways to fix this?

It seems to me they've just done a half assed job so far, don't know what they're doing, and thinking along too narrow of lines for solutions.

I am seeing - Geologists, Volcanologists, and undersea construction experts as those who SHOULD be working on this!

Originally posted by cosmicpixie
If you follow through with the theory of this being deliberately motioned then saying we need the intervention of ET, well you can take it one step further and contemplate the notion that the elite are in cahoots with the very ET race that are set to come and *save* the planet. Problem-reaction-solution. What better time to make your entrance as saviours , when the world is on it's knees in despair. I know this is off topic but had to throw it out there after your comment.

As for this catastrophe being deliberately set in motion, things certainly do look suspicious. Just look at the clean up effort (or lack thereof). So far, they hardly seem to be doing anything. It looks like they are incompetent beyond belief. You thought Katrina was bad? Please! There ought to be a multinational effort out in full force throwing everything they've got into cleaning up this mess. But they aren't doing that. Why? Possibly because the scenario is so out of control that there is hardly any point in even trying to "really" clean up the oil at this point. It would be like using a thimble to bail the water out of a sinking ship: pointless.

But whatever the case, we are witnessing IMO the end of BP and perhaps the end of the entire oil industry. If we choose to stay on oil, our species will be committing suicide, as there are thousands of other wells that are essentially ticking time-bombs that could go off at any moment - many of which are high-pressure wells.

Having said that, this is exactly the kind of catastrophic global event that could demand massive change, leaving the elites no choice but to get us off oil. Hello clean and free energy? I don't know, but free energy could be the sort of thing that in addition to solving our energy needs it may also save us from a likely global economic collapse.

Also, speaking of ET, I personally wouldn't be surprised if this is THE disclosure event the world has been waiting for. Although benevolent alien intervention and clean free energy could save us, it is more likely that before that happened we would see pigs sprout wings and fly.

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I think as I said earlier, it may simply be a terrifically tragic combination of problems that are simply too large and complex for mankind to manage or resist with current technology - as per my earlier volcano eruption analogy.

Perhaps the next step will be massive POTUS/BP press-call and annoncements about how to prepare for what they 'think' may happen next...?

If this isn't a conspiracy to screw the world, POTUS should demand that BP publicly release all scientific data so that scientists around the world can do independent calculations.

What is the outflow pressure exactly? What exactly would be the downward pressure necessary to counteract this upward flow pressure?

BP have many of the data but are keeping it all secret. COME CLEAN (no pun intended).

I have heard many scientists say they can't do calculations on this problem because BP are keeping the data secret.

POTUS should demand all data be made public to scientists everywhere and if not forthcoming should seize all BP operations by military force. I am serious.

reply to post by switching yard


Whether this event was or wasn't intentional (I think it was unintentional but grossly negligent and entirely avoidable), perhaps it is more certain that people all over the place will attempt to capitalise on this in unsavoury and unwelcome ways, be it looters in evacuations or Bilderberg.

I'm not sure we can do anything to stop powers such as Bilderberg, but perhaps we can do something to help those around us and resist being turned against others because of it?

Originally posted by coastalite
Also, speaking of ET, I personally wouldn't be surprised if this is THE disclosure event the world has been waiting for. Although benevolent alien intervention and clean free energy could save us, it is more likely that before that happened we would see pigs sprout wings and fly.

This event was planned and initiated by ET's. The words "Gulf of Mexico" were pre-coded (in a hidden language) to mean: "AD 2010 Oil Leaks".

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What are the odds they may do that, but simultaneously activate evacuation plans because they can't be certain of avoiding an anticipated serious deterioration and a possibly devastating event or combination of events (Hurricane in the mix) within days - possibly near this imminent POTUS/BP meeting?

[edit: forgot to paste quote to which I was responding:
"I have heard many scientists say they can't do calculations on this problem because BP are keeping the data secret.

POTUS should demand all data be made public to scientists everywhere"]

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The easiest way to cap it off would be to use heavy duty nuclear weapons and blow it shut!

Before everyone goes rammy and jumps all over this, I am aware that the seafloor may have become unstable and the oil could blow out all over the place.

The idea would be to nuke it in a number of strategic positions to close the structure into itself and prevent the seepage.

At very worst it will partially work and affect the environment and at best it will work and allow the cleanup in both cases to begin in earnest.

I never said it was ideal, but the technology and hardware are in place now, and instead of waiting until fall to figure this out, something can be done now.

Just my opinion, let the flamers shoot me down in 3, 2, 1......


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If the situation is a conspiracy, who has anything to gain from this?

It has come to my mind that OPEC might have something to gain from this.

Anyway, it will be interesting to see what happens in the coming week. This is an important thread and I hope ATS keeps this crisis front and center.

People don't realize how bad this is and how (expletive deleted) we all are if something can't be done.

What I've heard a lot is "BP are the only ones with the expertise to deal with this" --- well if that's the attitude and we do nothing... we are (expletive deleted).

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Originally posted by Cynic
The easiest way to cap it off would be to use heavy duty nuclear weapons and blow it shut! Just my opinion, let the flamers shoot me down in 3, 2, 1......[edit on 13-6-2010 by Cynic]

Atomic Bomb proposal for Gulf of Mexico blow out well a very bad idea for many reasons - by Geologist Chris Landau
www.opednews.com...

reply to post by coastalite


Only another considered opinion.

I don't mean to say it's ideal, but waiting until another several hundred million gallons of oil have been spewed into the environment is equally disastrous, and the damn thing might collapse anyway.

Right?

reply to post by coastalite


I don't want to derail the thread so will keep this short but there is an international organization called Share International, an NGO affiliated with the UN. For years it's head honcho Benjamin Creme has been preparing the world for the arrival of Maitreya and the so called Ascended Masters. The info he puts out also concentrates ALOT on the ET phenomena and Space Brothers as he calls them. Long story short the Masters and ETs are coming to help us fix the planet which includes knowledge of free energy being dispersed. This org, puts out a magazine every 2 months in which many *important* people give interviews and/or write arti cles....diplomats, MP's, royalty , leading scientists, environmentalists, etc. Do some research into them.

They bill the space brothers and masters as benevolent but it's a little too convenient that they would wait until the world is crippled prior to their arrival which would also conveniently tie in with all the many ancient prophecies of the gods/custodians returning to usher in a new world when the old one crumbles.

When you factor in that so many of the so called prophecies-coming-true could easily have been deliberately orchestrated by the PTB over the years then you wonder if a certain holy book or 2 isn't just being used as a blueprint for planetary control with the elite making things happen to bring about the new age overseen by the REAL controllers of the planet who may APPEAR benevolent but are really wolves in sheeps clothing.

Just my theory and I won't talk about it any more as this is not really the thread to discuss it on. (Sorry OP !)

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