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Originally posted by OldDragger
Another BS fear mongering chain e mail that mutated into a blog!
Hasn't this been proved already to be BS?
I suggest you paranoids check Snopes.
Honestly, it seems that gun owners have to be the most panicky, fearful people in the country. Over the last 40 years I've seen a never ending cascade of "they are gunna take our guns" idiocy. Seems like it never happens, or even comes close. In case you are wondering, the 2nd Amendment is very clear, citizens have the right to own guns!
But, WHY are you guys so knee jerk? So quick to panic? So freakin FULL of fear?
Originally posted by Misoir
reply to post by Judohawk
I understand and respect that argument too. Whether we ban guns or not bad guys will always get them and the good guys won't have them to protect themselves, I understand. BUT. We are the reason there are illegal guns, we have never banned hand guns in the USA so that theory is impossible to prove wrong.
If we banned hand guns the problem would be mostly solved. Of course there will still be some guns around, but a serious crackdown on them would virtually end gun violence.
Originally posted by Misoir
Originally posted by Blueracer
reply to post by Misoir
I care. What is your obsession with law abiding citizens owning guns anyway. It is none of your concern.
It becomes a public issue, and an issue of mine, when there is so much gun violence in our country. We have the highest gun ownership in the world and the highest violence rate in the western world.
So I do believe my safety, is my business.
Originally posted by KyoZero
Originally posted by azrael36
And who says the govt is better armed than its citizens are?
[edit on 1-6-2010 by azrael36]
The military does....
Weapons of the US Military
Vehicles of the US Military
Aircraft of the US Military
Got a few A-10's in the house these days do ya?
Look I don't agree that the guns should be taken but I am sorry...if you think we can beat the US military in a battle with our AK-47's and M-16's..well that would be an interesting fight.
I know...I know...we beat the redcoats with like 3 people compared to their billion
The redcoats had guns and cannons...so did we
Now we as the militia men have rifles and mortar tubes...they have A-10's, M1A1 Abrams and CBU/GBU. If you don't see an SORELY one-sided fight there then you'll have to pardon me while I take a step or 5000 back when this firecracker of a battle goes off.
If they wanted to pry the guns out of our fingers they would do it despite the machismo we think we have because we have a basement full of semi, burst and full-autos.
AK47 vs A-10 Warthog....awesome
M-16 on full-auto vs BLU-82B...I'll make my wager
Not saying it would come to that but I gotta abimt I am very curious about something. What makes gun-owners think they can beat the US military? I am a gun owner and I am pretty sure even if I became a crack shot, my .40 would do next to nothing to the arsenal at their disposal.
Sorry...it really get's me interested when we think some private militia will win this.
Originally posted by LiquidMirage
If they want my guns they are more than welcome to come and TRY to take them from me. But for any son of a b*#@! that comes I warn you this:
You may get my guns but you will get my bullets first!
sub-human liberal scum
Originally posted by Misoir
Who cares? What's up with this sick obsession with guns here in America? It's just a sign of a violent society, and a pretty scared one too. You don't think you can contain our government without the use of weapons? That's pretty sad.
I support an all out hand gun ban. We are the reason all of the countries that have banned hand guns keep having gun violence. We are the leader in arms shipment, including guns on the black market.
Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade
By James Slack
Last updated at 8:42 AM on 27th October 2009
Gun crime has almost doubled since Labour came to power as a culture of extreme gang violence has taken hold.
The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.
In some parts of the country, the number of offences has increased more than five-fold.
In eighteen police areas, gun crime at least doubled.
The statistic will fuel fears that the police are struggling to contain gang-related violence, in which the carrying of a firearm has become increasingly common place.
Last week, police in London revealed they had begun carrying out armed patrols on some streets.
The move means officers armed with sub-machine guns are engaged in routine policing for the first time.
An example of British thinking in colonial times:
"No kingdom can be secured otherwise than by arming the people. The possession of arms is the distinction between a freeman and a slave. He, who has nothing, and who himself belongs to another, must be defended by him, whose property he is, and needs no arms. But he, who thinks he is his own master, and has what he can call his own, ought to have arms to defend himself, and what he possesses; else he lives precariously, and at discretion." --James Burgh (Political Disquisitions: Or, an Enquiry into Public Errors, Defects, and Abuses) [London, 1774-1775]
And thoughts (on this subject) of the man who wanted to rule the world:
"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed the subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty." -- Adolf Hitler (H.R. Trevor-Roper, Hitler's Table Talks 1941-1944)
The leaders of our freedom struggle recognised this, even Gandhi the foremost practitioner of passive resistance and non-violence had this to say about the British policy of gun-control in India:
"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." -- Mahatma Gandhi (An Autobiography OR The story of my experiments with truth, by M.K. Gandhi, p.238)
The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S.
The Tories said Labour had presided over a decade of spiralling violence.
In the decade following the party's election in 1997, the number of recorded violent attacks soared by 77 per cent to 1.158million - or more than two every minute.
The figures, compiled from reports released by the European Commission and United Nations, also show:
The UK has the second highest overall crime rate in the EU.
It has a higher homicide rate than most of our western European neighbours, including France, Germany, Italy and Spain.
The UK has the fifth highest robbery rate in the EU.
It has the fourth highest burglary rate and the highest absolute number of burglaries in the EU, with double the number of offences than recorded in Germany and France.
But it is the naming of Britain as the most violent country in the EU that is most shocking. The analysis is based on the number of crimes per 100,000 residents.
In the UK, there are 2,034 offences per 100,000 people, way ahead of second-placed Austria with a rate of 1,677.
The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada 935, Australia 92 and South Africa 1,609.
Shadow Home Secretary Chris Grayling said: 'This is a damning indictment of this government's comprehensive failure over more than a decade to tackle the deep rooted social problems in our society, and the knock on effect on crime and anti-social behaviour.