Acorn Pimp Pleads Guilty

Originally posted by tauempire
also what lies did they tell? i mean they did uncover the whole ACORN crap.

Are you serious or joking around?

You didn't read the follow up to this investigation after they handed over the unedited video to the DA in a plea deal and what it really showed?

Independent investigations of the incident by the former Attorney General of Massachusetts, the Brooklyn District Attorney, California's Attorney General, a federal district court, the Congressional Research Office concluded that ACORN had done nothing illegal, the tapes were doctored, and O'Keefe never posed as a pimp inside ACORN's offices.

In an interview with the Washington Independent, Giles admitted that the images of O'Keefe in an outlandish pimp outfit were edited in later. While Mead conceded that the tapes did not expose endemic corruption at ACORN or any evidence of any actual wrongdoing by Baltimore employees, her piece left the overall impression there was something very wrong at ACORN. Huffington Post

They BOTH admitted that they heavily edited the ACORN video.

They didn't go in dressed as a pimp and a prostitute, and that footage was from a previous protest the two did that was edited into the footage also known as a "B-roll" as Giles stated.

The woman allegedly giving them tips on how to bring underage prostitutes into the States was actually giving them advice on securing housing once the full video was seen. She was not asked anything about prostitution. The Hispanic guy who got fired for going along with this couples prostitution concerns was actually gathering information on the two and immediately called his brother in law enforcement and told him about what he heard.

FOX "News" allowed this edited and misleading video to be played without questions or a personal investigation of the material. What sort of news agency runs such a video and assumes it is legit because the source simply says it is? That is like CNN taking one of Billy Meier's hoaxed UFO videos and not only presenting them to the public as fact, but warning us that the aliens may be here to do us harm.

James O'Keefe should have been given a stiffer punishment so that he understands that he can't commit illegal acts in order to manufacture evidence and present it as legitimate journalism.

Originally posted by tauempire

Originally posted by damwel
Not investigative jouralists at all. Ring-wing LIARS, trying to sway the hopelessly misinformed with LIES. It's worse than their FEAR card.

coming from a LEFT-WING person?

The things revealed to be a lie were the very crux of their argument against ACRON.

This isn't about the Left simply not liking these two Right-wing "journalists", but the fact that they weren't journalists at all.

Take a moment and absorb the actual facts.
Understand too, how they fit so well on FOX news.

- Lee

Originally posted by Thirty_Foot_Smurf
Whatever. What it boils down to with you is you want badly to believe it so you do. How weak is that?

How do you account for the fact that independent investigations of the incident/video by various entities within the Judicial system (a District Attorney, two Attorney Generals, a federal judge, and also Congressional researchers) all came to the same conclusion?

Let me guess..the decisions within the judicial system are worthless lies because they all just simply hate the Right and want to send them up the river any chance they get.



- Lee

reply to post by lee anoma


Unfortunately, facts tend to be fairly useless now a days. Keep trying, though... someone who doesn't already know the truth might actually notice.

Originally posted by lee anoma

Originally posted by Thirty_Foot_Smurf
Whatever. What it boils down to with you is you want badly to believe it so you do. How weak is that?

How do you account for the fact that independent investigations of the incident/video by various entities within the Judicial system (a District Attorney, two Attorney Generals, a federal judge, and also Congressional researchers) all came to the same conclusion?

Let me guess..the decisions within the judicial system are worthless lies because they all just simply hate the Right and want to send them up the river any chance they get.

- Lee

This is why ACORN will not be prosecuted with Obama in office.





They could've had footage of child porn with ACORN execs, sponsored by ACORN execs, children transported by ACORN execs across state and international lines, and they'd still get out of it squeaky clean.





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Would you mind supplying some info on ACORN's connection to the subprime mortgage crisis? This is the first I've heard of this. I did some googling, but all the info comes from pundits. I was able to find this:

ACORN investigates complaints against companies accused of predatory lending practices. ACORN also works to support strict state laws against predatory practices, organizes against foreclosure rescue scams, and steers borrowers toward loan counseling;[13] Following a three-year campaign, Household International (now owned by HSBC Holdings and renamed HSBC Finance Corporation), one of the largest subprime lenders in the country, and ACORN announced on November 25, 2003 a proposed settlement of a 2002 national class-action lawsuit brought by ACORN. The settlement created a $72 million foreclosure avoidance program to provide relief to household borrowers who are at risk of losing their homes.[13] The settlement came on the heels of an earlier $484 million settlement between Household, Attorneys General, and bank regulators from all 50 US states.[14] ACORN and its affiliates advocate for affordable housing by urging the development, rehabilitation and establishment of housing trust funds at the local, state, and federal levels.[15] The group also pushes for enforcement of affordable-housing requirements for developers and promotes programs to help homeowners repair their homes and organize tenant demands.[15] An ACORN official voiced support for a proposal Hillary Clinton made during the presidential primary election to create a federal fund for distressed homeowners.[16]

However, that seems contradictory to the claim that they are responsible for the subprime crisis.

As for the rest, all you have is the political action wing of ACORN working together with a Democratic candidate to get more representation for poor, inner city citizens. Seeing how the republicans have capitalized on the Christian Right to get votes, and how the Christian Right lobbies for it's own agenda, I see nothing wrong with another portion of the population trying to do the same.

Originally posted by Thirty_Foot_Smurf
reply to post by technical difficulties

 

You believe that a video was edited to make it look like it was edited, in order to discredit O Keefe, based on nothing but speculation and your hatred of acorn. You're going to have to provide some sort of proof here.

How is that any different from the claim that it was edited by Okeefe?

C'mon man, think it through before you touch your keyboard.








[edit on 27-5-2010 by Thirty_Foot_Smurf]

When you admit that you replied to a statement with no evidence (which is false, as there is evidence, but that's beside the point), with another statment backed by no evidence, you really can't tell anyone to think before they touch their keyboard.

[edit on 27-5-2010 by technical difficulties]

reply to post by suicydking



I could care less about the sub-prime crap.

It doesn't remove the fact that Obama is cozy with Acorn and a lot of Obama worshipers are pissed that this casts him in a bad light. Therefore to mitigate the damages they try to smear O'keefe as the bad guy.

Its not a matter of if Acorn will be prosecuted. They wont. They cant actually given who occupies the White House. He wont let it happen.

Originally posted by technical difficulties

Originally posted by Thirty_Foot_Smurf
reply to post by technical difficulties

 

You believe that a video was edited to make it look like it was edited, in order to discredit O Keefe, based on nothing but speculation and your hatred of acorn. You're going to have to provide some sort of proof here.

How is that any different from the claim that it was edited by Okeefe?

C'mon man, think it through before you touch your keyboard.








[edit on 27-5-2010 by Thirty_Foot_Smurf]

When you admit that you replied to a statement with no evidence (which is false, as there is evidence, but that's beside the point), with another statment backed by no evidence, you really can't tell anyone to think before they touch their keyboard.

[edit on 27-5-2010 by technical difficulties]

Wheres your evidence of my lack of evidence genius? Again, think before you touch your keyboard.

reply to post by Thirty_Foot_Smurf


So what is it exactly that upsets you about ACORN? Are you simply upset that their political action wing is cozy with the Dems? I'm not sure that I'm following here.

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What does this have to do with the lies fabricated by Giles and O'Keffe?

That is what we are talking about here.

If ACORN is as dirty as you claim, it shouldn't be that difficult to gather evidence and would be a lot more acceptable than simply lying and making it up, causing you to look worse than they allegedly are.

- Lee

Originally posted by lee anoma
reply to post by Thirty_Foot_Smurf

 

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What does this have to do with the lies fabricated by Giles and O'Keffe?

That is what we are talking about here.

If ACORN is as dirty as you claim, it shouldn't be that difficult to gather evidence and would be a lot more acceptable than simply lying and making it up, causing you to look worse than they allegedly are.

- Lee

It doesnt because there weren't any.

See the video in my previous post. They wont be prosecuted because of their relationship with Obama. Their immunity is payback.

Originally posted by Thirty_Foot_Smurf

Originally posted by technical difficulties

Originally posted by Thirty_Foot_Smurf
reply to post by technical difficulties

 

You believe that a video was edited to make it look like it was edited, in order to discredit O Keefe, based on nothing but speculation and your hatred of acorn. You're going to have to provide some sort of proof here.

How is that any different from the claim that it was edited by Okeefe?

C'mon man, think it through before you touch your keyboard.








[edit on 27-5-2010 by Thirty_Foot_Smurf]

When you admit that you replied to a statement with no evidence (which is false, as there is evidence, but that's beside the point), with another statment backed by no evidence, you really can't tell anyone to think before they touch their keyboard.

[edit on 27-5-2010 by technical difficulties]

Wheres your evidence of my lack of evidence genius? Again, think before you touch your keyboard.

Listen buddy, you're attacking us for informing you that O'Keefe HIMSELF admitted to having heavily edited this footage and claiming that the fact that O'Keefe edited the video is a lie.

We have proof that O'Keefe edited this footage, there has been an entire investigation for it. There are admissions of guilt from O'Keefe and the girl. The unedited tapes have been handed over and prove outright that Acorn, in this instance, is not at fault for having done anything.

You have ZERO evidence suggesting that in this instance, Obama's ties to Acorn is why ALL of our evidence exists. Yes, Obama does have ties with Acorn. Yes, he likely wouldn't want them to go down. But lets face it, if this actually happened Obama would burn all bridges rather than try to save them. You have NO reason to believe that the results of this investigation turned out in this fashion due to Obama's ties. None. Zero. Nadda.

If you have evidence that suggests Obama was involved in manipulating this particular investigation into Acorn, bring it up. You haven't yet, but please, do it if you can.




Also, I just wanted to add, when you need to cast everyone who is debating you on this issue as an "Obama worshipper", it doesn't add credibility to your case. What so ever. Especially considering the fact that in my case, which you can see if you look into my post history, I'm the last person anyone would describe as an "Obama worshipper".

[edit on 27-5-2010 by SpectreDC]

Originally posted by suicydking
reply to post by Thirty_Foot_Smurf

 

So what is it exactly that upsets you about ACORN? Are you simply upset that their political action wing is cozy with the Dems? I'm not sure that I'm following here.

Man its like I need to use puppets and crayons. Re-read and figure it out.

Originally posted by Thirty_Foot_Smurf
It doesnt because there weren't any.

See the video in my previous post. They wont be prosecuted because of their relationship with Obama. Their immunity is payback.

You said the video wasn't edited...the creators of the video said it was.

Who should we believe?

You are now shifting the discussion to Obamas' alleged dark connection to ACORN, away from James O'Keefe and outright ignoring the fact that James O'Keefe and Giles admitted to heavily editing the video and that they didn't go into the offices dressed in those outrageous get-ups.

I don't think you want to discuss that point, and would rather put up videos dealing with another subject instead.

I want to discuss the case in front of us, not delve into unproven political conspiracies.
I'm not interested in a long drawn out strawman.

- Lee

reply to post by SpectreDC


How does any degree of editing replace what the acorn employees were saying right there on tape without a break? When something is edited and inserted for audio or video you can see a break in the stream. Nothing like that happened.

When they were sitting down with the acorn employees on ALL tapes none of it was edited! I don't know what you've watched but if it shows anything different then it was clearly edited by someone else to make it look like a hatchet job and you've been duped. I have all of the originals copied off an on my server and they were NOT edited.

Acorn employees were clearly trying to assist Okeefe and Giles with bringing underage girls into the United stated for said purpose of child prostitution. Case Closed....


Seriously? You have to question why Acorn wont be prosecuted? Why dont you just ask why voter intimidation wasnt investegated and prosecuted here:



These things just have a habit of going away for some reason. Ever wonder why?


[edit on 27-5-2010 by Thirty_Foot_Smurf]

Originally posted by lee anoma

Originally posted by Thirty_Foot_Smurf
It doesnt because there weren't any.

See the video in my previous post. They wont be prosecuted because of their relationship with Obama. Their immunity is payback.

You said the video wasn't edited...the creators of the video said it was.

Who should we believe?

You are now shifting the discussion to Obamas' alleged dark connection to ACORN, away from James O'Keefe and outright ignoring the fact that James O'Keefe and Giles admitted to heavily editing the video and that they didn't go into the offices dressed in those outrageous get-ups.

I don't think you want to discuss that point, and would rather put up videos dealing with another subject instead.

I want to discuss the case in front of us, not delve into unproven political conspiracies.
I'm not interested in a long drawn out strawman.

- Lee

They, like everyone else, edited the intro's/transitions to the actual scenes to set up said scenes. Thats not what I'm talking about and you know it. You're trying to trip and obfuscate.

I'm talking about the unedited portions when they were sitting sown with the employees. Did they edit what the employees said. No they didnt.


My connection as it pertains to this thread is Acorn will get away with whatever it does and Okeefe will be made the villain for pointing out the truth. As simple as that.






[edit on 27-5-2010 by Thirty_Foot_Smurf]

Originally posted by Thirty_Foot_Smurf


I can't actually respond to any of the facts of the case, so I'm going to replace reality with my own reality and propagate that the facts are not facts at all, when that is contrary to what is actually factual.

Well, I appreciate your admission for absolutely ignoring the facts of the matter. Enjoy ignoring what is the reality of the matter and replacing it with your own twisted agenda.

Originally posted by Thirty_Foot_Smurf

Originally posted by technical difficulties

Originally posted by Thirty_Foot_Smurf
reply to post by technical difficulties

 

You believe that a video was edited to make it look like it was edited, in order to discredit O Keefe, based on nothing but speculation and your hatred of acorn. You're going to have to provide some sort of proof here.

How is that any different from the claim that it was edited by Okeefe?

C'mon man, think it through before you touch your keyboard.








[edit on 27-5-2010 by Thirty_Foot_Smurf]

When you admit that you replied to a statement with no evidence (which is false, as there is evidence, but that's beside the point), with another statment backed by no evidence, you really can't tell anyone to think before they touch their keyboard.

[edit on 27-5-2010 by technical difficulties]

Wheres your evidence of my lack of evidence genius? Again, think before you touch your keyboard.

The fact that you admitted it yourself. I said your theory was based on speculation, then you replied with "how is that any different from the claim that it was edited by O Keefe" (it's three quotes above). There's your proof. I didn't twist your words, I didn't edit your post, and I didn't take anything out of context.

[edit on 27-5-2010 by technical difficulties]

Originally posted by SpectreDC

Originally posted by Thirty_Foot_Smurf


I can't actually respond to any of the facts of the case, so I'm going to replace reality with my own reality and propagate that the facts are not facts at all, when that is contrary to what is actually factual.

Well, I appreciate your admission for absolutely ignoring the facts of the matter. Enjoy ignoring what is the reality of the matter and replacing it with your own twisted agenda.

ERM.....Thats not my quote.....

Originally posted by Thirty_Foot_Smurf
I've seen the footage, there was no editing and they were caught red handed. He and Hanna Giles exposed the truth.

Wrong.

Hannah Giles Explains Pimp And Prostitute Costumes In ACORN Videos

"We never claimed that he went in with a pimp costume," said Giles. "That was b-roll. It was purely b-roll. He was a pimp, I was a prostitute, and we were walking in front of government buildings to show how the government was whoring out the American people."

1) If it wasn't edited then why did she say it was and the footage was from another video?

2) Why did the Attorney General of California as well as others in the judicial system say the same?

3) Why should we simply believe you know better than all of them?

No offense, but I don't think you know the facts AT ALL, or even what you are talking about.

This is why you keep shifting to a video about Obama and ACRON rather than discussing the case with James O'Keefe and Hannah Giles.

I see no point in continuing to explain the facts to you if you don't want to even acknowledge them and have created a world in your mind where only you know the truth.

Believe what you will, but in reality, the place where we all live, they were busted for lying and committing crimes. They admitted to misleading everyone, including the astoundingly inept FOX News, but that they didn't do it intentionally.

That has nothing to do with your "Obama strawman".
Anyone willing to shift the debate to your conspiracies will lose the subject entirely.

Enjoy your day,

- Lee