ICE chief won't process illegals from Arizona

reply to post by projectvxn


If they grant amnesty, write to the office that accepted your money and request a refund. I am sure a lawyer would be more than happy to get some good attention to help ya out. And this is another point. All the people that pay to do things the right way, if amnesty is granted, would then have a legal recourse to want all that money back.

[edit on 21-5-2010 by djvexd]

One congress guy with balls...



One of the best speech I've heard in congress outside Ron Paul.

And BONUS: He's from California!

[edit on 21-5-2010 by Vitchilo]

It is estimated that Arizona is home to some 500,000 illegal aliens. Given the size of that state population wise, this is a huge problem, because of the drain on jobs, social services, etc. It is a disaster, just like the oil disaster in Louisiana, my home state.

In both cases, the Federal government is being lackadasical. The state of Arizona has a right to protect its OWN borders, and since the Federal Government wont do it, it has a duty to the people of Arizona to take the responsibility on itself. Btw, the overwhelming majority of legal Arizona citizens support this move, as do about 67% of the overall US population. That is why another 17 states are now implementing similar laws.

The same thing is now happening in Lousiana, where there is a move, county by county (parish by parish), to take matters in their own hands regarding the oil disaster--because the Federal Government is sitting back and doing nothing "like a Vatican Observer" (Chris Mathews).

what the states need to do is rename/redefine illegal immigration. this newly named activity can have a very specific definition and very specific sentence. deportation. why can't the borders include fingerprint scanners? so these guys who have been deported can't come back in. plus it might be a better way to deal with terrorists then the current hassle that accomplishes nothing but inconvenience for passengers because the normal rules don't seem to apply to the actual terrorists.

if we call illegal immigration something else, nobody can say the feds have jurisdiction and states can do whatever they want to solve their problem.

Originally posted by djvexd
BTW please don't take this as a negative post towards you or any condescension in any fashion, it is not meant that way...although reading back through my posts it could be construed that way.

Not at all, I appreciate your point of view. My position is that when a person enters the country illegally, they have committed a crime. So they ARE criminals. There are extenuating circumstances, which gets them a lot of the public's sympathy, but nevertheless, they have committed a crime.

I agree that the feds have neglected their duty. 100% agree.

I just think that the feds have to pick up the ball, not have a state threaten to throw the ball at them if they don't pick it up. The feds are going to fight back and that's what we're seeing. But, like I said, this is a good thing... NOT the law, but the fact that people are talking about it and the feds are getting pressured to finally do something.

I guess I see both sides of the issue. I'm not really trying to convince anyone of anything. Just figuring out how I feel about all the different aspects of this issue.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
This is not so crazy or even unpredictable.

And they don't even have to say this is a "protest" to the law really...they just simply do not have the manpower.

Honestly people...what did you think was going to happen.

Nothing.
Nothing or Bust.
Nothing or Amnesty.
Same thing,nothing.
There is nothing left to happen.

Originally posted by sdcigarpig
I think that the state of Arizona needs to make a point and up the ante. Go back to the law and have it written down that if the federal government refuses to do its job and deport the illegale immigrants, then sentence them to hard time, putting Sherriff Joe Arpio in charge, letting him run the prison to hold the illegale immigrants indefinately until the federal government does its duty, and to inform all of its citizens that if they kill an illegale immigrant, when that person is caught in the middle of a crime, the citizen will not be prosecuted, and forbid the federal government from doing anything.

Yeah, and lets start lynch mobs and public executions again. Yeeeehaw!

THIS is the attitude that causes many of us, even those of us like myself who are citizens now, to dislike certain parts of the United States.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
This is not so crazy or even unpredictable.

I had stated many times that this is exactly what would happen. I could go dig up the threads, but it really isn't necessary.

And they don't even have to say this is a "protest" to the law really...they just simply do not have the manpower.

Does anyone really think that ICE is not busy down in Arizano 24/7? I believe they only have ONE field office in Arizona for detention and deportation...they just don't have the manpower to handle the increase in processing that this new law will produce. ICE already has their ongoing investigations and their own operations...the last thing they want to do is have to double check a local police officers "paper check" every 10 minutes. A police officer on this board had said that currently when they call ICE with a suspected illegal immigrant...ICE tells them they are not interested...I said right then that they same thing is going to happen...just face to face now.

On top of that...Federal ICE agents are not required to adhere to Arizona's law...they can't force them to deport or even investigate every single suspected illegal that they think they may have found.

Either Arizona didn't think of this...or they already knew this and didn't care. They knew when they passed this that they (the state of Arizona) do not have the authority to deport someone themselves...so they knew they would have to rely on ICE. Did they check with ICE and work with them on this law??? I don't think so. They knew ICE is already overwhelmed with work...this will just make things worse and probably slow down the process of deportation.

Some will say..."well then they need more ICE agents"...great....Is Arizona going to pay for that? I hear all the time that "I don't want my tax dollars going to this or that". Well I don't want my tax dollars going to hire more ICE agents to enforce Arizona's witch hunt.


Honestly people...what did you think was going to happen.

they can't do their job? fire them and hire someone who can. Simple as that.

O.K. some may say this has nothing to do with the situation at hand but to me it seems logical. It's ok and accepted that we have places like area 51 in this country that is heavily fortified electronic fences, real fences and the like. With signs clearly posted Use Of Deadly Force Authorized. Where as legal citizens of America cannot trespass on these lands, or get legally shot to death for such actions. But it's ok when an illegal alien weather it be north,south,east or west enters our country illegally and is allowed free reign to do as they please. Help me understand this logic please. As I said may not be related but I thought it was slightly in context with the current situation, let me know if I'm just looking to deeply into this matter. Oh and as far as the Feds not wanting to comply with Arizona, from this administration nothing surprises me anymore.

reply to post by jaynkeel


Illegal aliens have "free reign" now? Really? They aren't subject to the same laws we are once they are in the country? They aren't arrested for rape, murder, burglary, or anything like that?

What would stop Ariz from driving them to the Ariz/Mexico border and kick them out.

Originally posted by butcherguy
Sounds like it is time for Arizona to 'process' thee illegals themselves then.
How to 'process' those illegals now, hmmm........

I agree
let AZ conduct it's own deportation.
Fill up a bus, drive them to a remote location
along the border and tell them to run back across
just like how they got here.

If they come back across .... shoot them
as they are now deemed a hostile invasion force.

that's what they do at Area 51
why not the border???

reply to post by projectvxn


Amen to this Bro.

My wife took years, and a massive amount of bucks. One child born overseas, and when his "Certificate of Live Birth" (US gov equivalent of a stateside birth certificate) is lost it takes months to get back, he can't get a new passport and can't return to the states if we want.

Originally posted by EyesII

Originally posted by JacKatMtn

...So now we have the Federal agency, entrusted to enforce Federal immigration statutes saying they may not process any illegals resulting from Arizona's new law on immigration.

Why would the Federal Govt, which doesn't support the Arizona State law, prosecute an offender of a AZ's State law? It makes no sense.

The Fed does NOT have jurisdiction. It's that simple.

I predict the AZ law will be challenged and will ultimately be repealed.

-E2

That's exactly the same as asking:
"Why would the Federal Government prosecute an offender of Federal Law?"

That doesn't make sense either, right?






Some people really should go research things before they open their mouths, or move their fingers. Until a "law", Federal or otherwise has been ruled unConstitutional, enforcing the "law" is not unConstitutional. The President, Governors, Mayors, Sheriffs, Police chiefs, etc., all take an oath to uphold the duties of their "office", the Constitution (or similar) of the jurisdiction they will administer... as well as the Constitution of the State they reside within and the Constitution of the United States of America.

Now, if they take an oath, a legally binding pledge, to uphold the Constitution of the USA... they have promised to enforce the laws of the land up to, including, and beyond dealing with illegal immigrants.

If you don't believe in the oath of office, you can't hold Bush responsible for 9/11.

Would not a law enforcement officer, when presented with incontrovertible evidence of a crime having been committed, be putting his or her self in jeopardy of being charged with aiding / providing comfort / harboring a criminal during the commision of a crime?

If AZ has proven, illegal immigrants in custody and the Federal government refuses to take action, the Federal government is guilty of aiding and abetting and/or harboring known fugitives of the law.

It's really going to get interesting in the next few months.

Its proof that this administration does not have the balls to act FOR the American citizen and only cares about it's own socialist agenda.

www.businessofdetention.com...

Im doing a lot of the work at this job... Big money that's all I have to say!

Arizona should be able to deport the illegal immigrants, and the bill should be given to Mexico.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
All this new law says is that if a Arizona police officer suspects someone is illegal, they can ask for proof of legal status (whatever that is)...

You seem to still be unsure that "proving one is legally in this country" is difficult and confusing. It's actually rather simple and Federal Law requires that any person in this country that is not a citizen and is over 18 carry proof of their status with them at all times:

Permanent residents over 18 are required to carry their green cards (or a copy) at all times.

Documentation to prove status:

A Green Card is evidence of lawful permanent resident status in the United States.

A visa grants the holder the right to apply for entry into the United States.

Sources:US Customs Information
US Immigration Support

Further, the Federal Government, on their own web site, makes sure that everyone is aware of the following:

Any person who is not a U.S. citizen can be deported from the United States.

If the Federal Government realizes that any person not here lawfully, or any other person not a citizen, can be removed from this country at any time, why don't you?

Source:Deportation

I have listened to the arguments that Arizona has no say in the border affairs, because they are only a state. It is the federal governments job, this is true.

The feds refuse to do what their own mission statement requires in this case.

The feds are not the ones immediately affected here, it is the Arizona citizens that are.

I would urge the State of Arizona to take care of this problem on it's own, since the feds have refused to do so. I think Boondock Saint has the right idea.

Drive them to the border, send them back across at gunpoint if need be.

Since the Mexican president cares so much about them, he will no doubt send buses to take them back to their original homes!