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ICE chief won't process illegals from Arizona

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posted on May, 21 2010 @ 12:50 PM
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That was the jist of one of the debaters in a 5+ minute segment just aired.

Still no link to the confirmation story yet, but what the news anchor said was that Fox had confirmed through an ICE spokesperson that the agency is looking into this exact topic. Of disregarding any cases which were created from the use of the new AZ law.

There should be video clip of that segment up in a couple of hours, mostly two guys trying to out yell the other but it all came down to a states rights vs fed law issue.

One big question raised was in regards to ICE making this potential move prior to a judges expected ruling on the legality of the AZ law.

One thing for sure, this one won't be going away soon.. it's shaping up to be one crazy summer here in the US, the world for that matter.

On that point, please everyone, make sure to take time out for some fun laughter and family time, with all the worrisome things going on these days, it's important to keep grounded and have some enjoyment out of life




posted on May, 21 2010 @ 12:52 PM
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Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler
 


BRAVO



The truth voice of reality, we the voters in America are nothing but numbers that doesn't count anymore and neither our voices are heard anymore.



The good news is thanks to the Internet our voices are being heard more than they have in a long time.

The corporate government simply hopes to be able to sucessfully manage and control that eventually as a means to perpetuate and grow its power and authority.

Our voices are being heard, but deliberately ignored, and ignored for a deliberate reason, that ultimately is likely to reach a critical mass that causes a real change.

We just have to keep speaking up, and speaking out, and while the tyrants in Washington might act even more depserately in ignoring our voices, it is only because they are becoming increasingly desperate over the fact that our voices are being heard, and beginning to reach critical mass in policy.

This is why agency heads are acting arbitrarily and unilaterally to impose their agendas absent of, and against true mandates by the people.

Ultimately if they fail to supress our voices, and effect control over them, they will in fact loose eventually in this quest.

We live in truly exciting times of change, and we are in fact all instruments of that change.

They are simply ignoring us, in hopes that we will forget that our voices and actions do make a difference.

They will make a difference, of that you can rest assured my friend.



posted on May, 21 2010 @ 12:52 PM
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Originally posted by EyesII
Why would the Federal Govt, which doesn't support the Arizona State law, prosecute an offender of a AZ's State law? It makes no sense.


Maybe because it also violates Federal Law.

THEY ARE ILLEGAL.



posted on May, 21 2010 @ 12:52 PM
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Is there any law against Arizona state officials taking the illegals to the border and sending them across on their own?



posted on May, 21 2010 @ 12:57 PM
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There was a time when the people would cry at the passing of a government leader. Today, they cry that they are still kickin'.



posted on May, 21 2010 @ 01:02 PM
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here's the Fox news piece on this story:


Top Official Says Feds May Not Process Illegals Referred From Arizona

...In response to Morton's comments, DHS officials said President Obama has ordered the Department of Justice to examine the civil rights and other implications of the law.

"That review will inform the government's actions going forward," DHS spokesman Matt Chandler told Fox News on Friday.

Meanwhile, DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano said ICE is not obligated to process illegal immigrants referred to them by Arizona authorities.

"ICE has the legal discretion to accept or not to accept persons delivered to it by non-federal personnel," Napolitano said. "It also has the discretion to deport or not to deport persons delivered to it by any government agents, even its own."...



Just saw on FOX
US Senator Sessions (AL).. interviewed by the anchor has basically called for the resignation of John Morton (ICE Chief).



posted on May, 21 2010 @ 01:04 PM
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Does anyone remember when Cuban refugees would come to Florida on rafts made out of oil drums, traveling across 90 miles or more of ocean?

If they were able to get off of the raft and touch their feet on US soil, they got to stay here. If the Coast Guard intercepted them first, they took them back to Cuba.

I would like to know why Arizona can't deport them themselves.



posted on May, 21 2010 @ 01:06 PM
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Originally posted by JacKatMtn
US Senator Sessions (AL).. interviewed by the anchor has basically called for the resignation of John Morton (ICE Chief).


He absolutely should resign.

Obama just called for the resignation of the Director of National Intelligence because of the Intelligence failures of the past year plus.

The failure to enforce immigration law and deport illegals is just as if not more negligent and DEMANDS the loss of his position.



posted on May, 21 2010 @ 01:16 PM
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Originally posted by butcherguy
Is there any law against Arizona state officials taking the illegals to the border and sending them across on their own?


They just don't have the authority to deport someone from the country...because they are not in charge of the country.

But the other big reason is that Arizona has no way of confirming if someone is illegal or not. They rely on the Federal government through ICE to confirm the legal status. All this new law says is that if a Arizona police officer suspects someone is illegal, they can ask for proof of legal status (whatever that is)...and if they don't PROVE they are here legally or that they are a citizen...then they can drag them down to ICE. THAT'S IT. That is all they can do...they don't have access to any of the files or systems that would confirm if someone is illegal or not. So no, they can't deport people themselves.

Would you be ok with a few American citizens being accidentally deported because Arizona doesn't have the means to confirm legal status?



posted on May, 21 2010 @ 01:20 PM
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Agreed, I have been saying the exact same thing. The AZ law really does nothing but make people angry and perhaps (big perhaps) deter some folks from coming or make some leave to another state (which really just passes the problem on to another).

Enforcement is NOT step one. We could always start a "War on Illegal Immigration", but I think we all know how those tend to work out.

I hope folks don't say we didn't tell them, but it sure is easier to call us appeasers so they can feel better about themselves.

Peace
KJ



posted on May, 21 2010 @ 01:24 PM
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Originally posted by JacKatMtn

Meanwhile, DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano said ICE is not obligated to process illegal immigrants referred to them by Arizona authorities.
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Hmmm, that's not EXACTLY the way ICE's mission statement reads on their website, ...

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE)


Formed in 2003 as part of the federal government's response to the 9/11 attacks, ICE's mission is to protect the security of the American people and homeland by vigilantly enforcing the nation's immigration and customs laws.

ICE combines innovative investigative techniques, new technological resources and a high level of professionalism to provide a wide range of resources to the public and to our federal, state and local law enforcement partners

Maybe they need to re-write their mission statement?


[edit on 5/21/2010 by Keyhole]



posted on May, 21 2010 @ 01:27 PM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher

Originally posted by butcherguy
Is there any law against Arizona state officials taking the illegals to the border and sending them across on their own?


Would you be ok with a few American citizens being accidentally deported because Arizona doesn't have the means to confirm legal status?

Of course I wouldn't.

Since the state officials in Arizona don't have the authority to confirm legal status, by what means do the federal officials make the determination?



posted on May, 21 2010 @ 01:30 PM
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That's your interpretation of the mission statement..


And it's sooooo 2003.. you know it's not hip anymore.. I wouldn't be surprised to see their mission statement..

dare I say it?

Change

into something..

we can believe in?



posted on May, 21 2010 @ 01:32 PM
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You really think she has read the mission statement?

She hasn't read the new immigration law, what makes you think she has read this?

No, like when she spoke out against the new immigration law without reading it, she is just talking out her ass and as usual she comes off like a bigger idiot.

This was asked when she was appointed, but I don't think it was answered. What exactly is the qualifications for job?



posted on May, 21 2010 @ 01:47 PM
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They should write and pass their own deportation (from Arizona) law and then enforce it. They should put teeth into it. They should do the job the federal government has always said they would do but has not done. They should make so hard for illegals in Arizona that they know not to go there in the first place. The rest of the border states would then absorb them until it becomes completely unbearable at which time they would pass their own laws or the federal government would be forced to do their job.

This is ridiculous, but it is not insurmountable.



posted on May, 21 2010 @ 02:01 PM
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Here's a little more info on ICE programs, ...

Law Enforcement Support Center



The Law Enforcement Support Center (LESC), administered by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), is a critical point of contact for the national law enforcement community, providing a wide range of informational services to officers and investigators at the local, state and federal levels.

The primary users of the LESC are state and local law enforcement officers in the field who need information about foreign nationals they encounter in the course of their daily duties.
******SKIP******
LESC information and support services also include the following:

* responding to queries from local, state and federal correctional and court systems on immigration status of individuals in custody;


Office of Detention and Removal (DRO)


The Office of Detention and Removal (DRO) is a division of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).

DRO is the primary enforcement arm within ICE for the identification, apprehension and removal of illegal aliens from the United States. The resources and expertise of DRO are utilized to identify and apprehend illegal aliens, fugitive aliens, and criminal aliens, to manage them while in custody and to enforce orders of removal from the United States. DRO is committed to enforcing our nation's immigration laws in a fair, effective, and professional manner.

Mission

DRO promotes public safety and national security by ensuring the departure from the United States of all removable aliens through the fair and effective enforcement of the nation's immigration laws.

Yeah, I think a "CHANGE" in their mission statement just MIGHT be forthcoming.


[edit on 5/21/2010 by Keyhole]



posted on May, 21 2010 @ 02:10 PM
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Originally posted by Keyhole
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Here's a little more info on ICE programs, ...

Law Enforcement Support Center



The Law Enforcement Support Center (LESC), administered by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), is a critical point of contact for the national law enforcement community, providing a wide range of informational services to officers and investigators at the local, state and federal levels.

The primary users of the LESC are state and local law enforcement officers in the field who need information about foreign nationals they encounter in the course of their daily duties.
******SKIP******
LESC information and support services also include the following:

* responding to queries from local, state and federal correctional and court systems on immigration status of individuals in custody;

LESC sounds like a waste of taxpayer dollars.
Outcast says that Arizona has no authority in determining legal status, so why would the feds need to answer questions by Arizona regarding the same?



posted on May, 21 2010 @ 02:21 PM
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It really doesn't matter how the law reads, or what any judge rules on it. This regime will just ignore any ruling that doesn't go their way - they've shown that in the past.

This bozo cannot be given a second term. He must be voted out in 2012. Let's hope the American people have wised up by then.



posted on May, 21 2010 @ 03:16 PM
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How exactly are Americans' freedoms being comprimised when an ILLEGAL alien gets held indefinatly? And trust me, they CAN and WILL be held indefinatly until ICE processes them. IT'S THEIR JOB!! It's not our[Arizona's] fault that ICE is incapable of doing their job. We did our job by determining on a state level that they are here in our state ILLEGALY and, as we do with everyone else that does something ILLEGAL,hold them in jail until they get processed by the proper authorities. And in this case, that would be ICE. If ICE wants to drag their feet and take 1 year to process Jose, then guess what, Jose will be in jail for 1 year whether YOU like it or not. Trust me, Sheriff Joe will not be sqeamish in doing this.

And if it turns out that Jose was in fact a legal citizen who happened not to have his drivers licence on him when he was caught for speeding, then the authorities would have found that out LONG before that 1 year time frame. Say, about 10 minutes into the traffic stop because he was in the system, whereas an ILLEGAL is not.

You sound like an intelligent person so I'm not going to insult your intelligence, but you obviously have NO idea how things work down here. You simply will not let go of your impression that the Feds have the upper and last hand in all of this. Sorry, but they don't. States have rights that supercede Federal laws and we WILL exercise those rights. If we have to, we WILL find loopholes. Every law has one. And if pushed to that point, we WILL exploit the law to our advantage because we the citizens of Arizona are FED UP with the Federal Governments ineptitude and uncaring attitude towards OUR problems.

People like Brewer and Arpaio know this and are acting accordingly to our needs. They know what we know and that is the fact that the influx of ILLEGAL aliens have helped greatly in bankrupting this state in more ways then you can wave your flag and constitution at.

We're FED UP. Don't you get it? You need to sit down, keep your air hole shut and focus on issues that concern you because this obviously does not.



Peace



posted on May, 21 2010 @ 03:45 PM
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arizona has been pleading with the feds to enforce the immigration laws and they won't do it. so arizona took the federal law and made it a state law, though less stringent. and there is outcry. the media and obama administration have deliberately misrepresented it to create chaos. i guess the feds are simply being consistent. they won't enforce immigration law where illegals are concerned, no matter what laws exist.

our elected representatives have proved that they do not respect citizens opinions but will respond to illegals. i understand the argument that ICE is under-staffed, but that doesn't explain making a public statement stating they are considering not prosecuting illegals arrested in arizona. this is insanity.



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