Battle lines are being drawn over this measure, and I stand four square behind my state in their right to COPY FEDERAL LAW INTO OUR OWN STATUTES.

For the Mexican president to stand on the lawn of the White House and effectively call a US state racist is beyond disgusting, even our current self-hating administration must have winced at that.

Originally posted by andy1033
Still think all you americans are hypocrites for not wanting illegal aliens, when most of you are only a few generations american at best.

Hey bub, you are from the UK. My parents passed through Ellis Island, and had a rough go of it,as did the relatives of most people you refer to.

What you suggest is like saying our parentage had a party here, and never decided to leave.

People who are a couple of generations away, did not have relatives that snuck over the border.

The Mexican President SHOULD have criticized the law, it's almost his duty to do so as it directly affects the financial interests of his country.

You folks can bad mouth him all you want, but I'd be surprised if he didn't criticize it.

I'd suggest you might do the same thing if you were him.

Additionally, corruption is hard to fight when the pockets of the drug cartels is so very deep with US dollars. It isn't Mexico that has terribly immigration policy. They actually have pretty good immigration laws, tough ones too.

Most of what I've read in this thread is outrage that amounts to nothing and has little to no worth. Feel free to get all hot and bothered at the wrong things some more, though. It's just what they want.

Peace
KJ

I was seriously thinking about all the things Calderon has said and done with respect to Illegal Immigration / Immigration. After hearing of this story today and just sitting here with my mouth open...pondering the COJONES on this guy...I'm now fully aware that this guy is an AUTHENTIC enemy of our nation.

He has all but declared war on us. And we have troops somewhere in "Dontknowistan" guarding poppy fields and chasing ghosts , while this C$(&@*&$@)$@$ TELLS US HOW TO RUN OUR IMMIGRATION LAWS and slowly subverts us from the inside?

Screw the "terrorists"...send our guys after THIS one. I can't believe it. Do we even have a President anymore that will stand up for America? And the fact that Obama lets him run his mouth like that....it's almost comical.

Go Mr. President!!!

More leaders need to speak up like this and more Americans need to see how vile and disgusting this Arizona law is.

Originally posted by Blanca Rose

Hey bub, you are from the UK. My parents passed through Ellis Island, and had a rough go of it,as did the relatives of most people you refer to.

What you suggest is like saying our parentage had a party here, and never decided to leave.

People who are a couple of generations away, did not have relatives that snuck over the border.

Ah the good ol days. In those days it took the money to buy a boat ticket, 29 questions, sometimes a cursory but free medical inspection, and a 98% chance of making it in legally.

The rough go was from domestic discrimination against your kind. Most of those dirty Irish or Italians lived in abject poverty like animals.

It's surprising there isn't more commiseration between recent immigrants and the slightly earlier ones.

Peace
KJ

Originally posted by andy1033
Still think all you americans are hypocrites for not wanting illegal aliens, when most of you are only a few generations american at best.

I agree.

Since many of us came from England, how about we all move back there and let you blokes pay for our welfare for the rest of our lives. Sounds golly good to me 'ol chap. Now send my plane tickets please.

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The Arizona crowd needs to stand their ground and if need be seceed from the union and declare war on those who would invade them, IMO.

Originally posted by GorehoundLarry
Go Mr. President!!!

More leaders need to speak up like this and more Americans need to see how vile and disgusting this Arizona law is.

What, exactly, is disgusting about the law?

I'm pretty sure the "racism" debate has been entirely debunked, even though it might happen anyway, so that can't be it.

While I think the political move is wrong, most of the opposition really has no clue what they are opposed to and don't have any opinions on solutions either.

That's more vile in my book.

While I agree that Calderon is a hypocritical, self-absorbed @#$%stain in standing on the White House lawn and criticizing our attempts to deal with his mess, let's reserve judgement on Obama's lack of reaction here... it was a press conference in front of God knows how much media. He couldn't very well snap at him and start kicking him in the nards.

Whether Obama secretly loves or hates ole' Felipe, the fact is he is soon approaching the time when he has to deal with this situation. He can stall for time talking about mid-term elections all he wants, but this is a problem that AZ has brought to the forefront and isn't going away. Either his administration gets of its arse and tries to take charge or the rest of the SW makes him look even more impotent than Calderon by doing it themselves - and no President wants to be shown up by individual states.

Originally posted by KrazyJethro
The Mexican President SHOULD have criticized the law, it's almost his duty to do so as it directly affects the financial interests of his country.

Well, isn't that his problem? LOL, you have got to be kidding!

You folks can bad mouth him all you want, but I'd be surprised if he didn't criticize it.

I don't really think anybody is criticizing him........but we are bad mouthing Obama, for standing there like a dumb@$$!

I'd suggest you might do the same thing if you were him.

Really, do you insult folks in their own homes when you go to visit, often?

Additionally, corruption is hard to fight when the pockets of the drug cartels is so very deep with US dollars. It isn't Mexico that has terribly immigration policy. They actually have pretty good immigration laws, tough ones too.

And, we shouldn't have the same?

Most of what I've read in this thread is outrage that amounts to nothing and has little to no worth. Feel free to get all hot and bothered at the wrong things some more, though. It's just what they want.

He shouldn't even be on the White House lawn at this time. Really, it's a slap in the face to America.

Peace

Yeah, right!

I have a question.

Why is the Mexican El Presidente all fired up because Arizona wants to prevent his countrymen from entering their state illegally?

Does he want the citizens of his country to leave their home for another country? In an illegal fashion at that?

ya see the problem is y'all are tryin to make sense of a completely bullchit situation.....how dare you

I said it once, and I will now say it again:
Try to get into or out of another country without a passport and see what happens.

I don't care what a Mexican Presidents or people from another country say, the immigration issue has been here for decades, and still we let them "just come on in" and have our REGISTERED CITIZENS TAXES to pay for all their welfare, their education, their housing and their deportation. (I like that one) and still nothing is ever done.

No wonder American do not have any money to spend, we shell it out for all the programs the government creates and then pockets the money, or give it to the WAR MACHINE instead of putting it to some great or better use.


Listen, The Chinese Build a wall for crying out loud! END OF ISSUE!!!!

Sounds to me like the greater purpose is to create one country NORTH AMERICA, and then connect it to a World UNION and a WORLD BANKING SYSTEM. That's why they never do anything about the immigration issues.

They are pulling the wool over our eyes and we see them doing it, but do nothing but bitch. We are asleep (including me) and they continue to do what they have done from the start, Control people (give them the impression they are free) and milk us for everything thing we can make during our lifetime, making them rich and us poorer..

One day....One Day.........Maybe we wake up....


End of Line......


[edit on 19-5-2010 by Dometheus]

Hm.

HIS People being mistreated in OUR country.

What isn't wrong with that statement? Mexico needs a strong government that wont brush issues like the drug wars aside or dump them in our lap and hope we will take care of it. We aren't you parents, you aren't a child!

Originally posted by butcherguy
I have a question.

Why is the Mexican El Presidente all fired up because Arizona wants to prevent his countrymen from entering their state illegally?

Does he want the citizens of his country to leave their home for another country? In an illegal fashion at that?

YES, and the Previous President actually gave out maps on the best location and time of year to cross and locations of water drops and of-course the Federals escorted many to the boarder.

Originally posted by andy1033
Still think all you americans are hypocrites for not wanting illegal aliens, when most of you are only a few generations american at best.

Wow, talk about ignorance... you do realize that when our previous generations came here, they could come without using a passport or visa, right? That doesn't make them illegal because at that time, there were no laws restricting entry into our country.

Since then, we have established laws on immigration, apparently which, you are are not familiar with or the reasons in which they were established.

I know who in my genealogy came here from other lands, and when they did, it was 100% legit. What these people do is completely and totally illegal, which is why they have to pay such high sums of money to find someone that can pull off a mission such as getting them over a country's border. What would you have to pay to pull that off in China and not get caught?

Oh, and let's not forget.... my descendants as well as most others learned the language, got a job that paid taxes and respected the laws.

Dare you still call us hypocrites?

~Namaste

Originally posted by KrazyJethro

Originally posted by Blanca Rose

Hey bub, you are from the UK. My parents passed through Ellis Island, and had a rough go of it,as did the relatives of most people you refer to.

What you suggest is like saying our parentage had a party here, and never decided to leave.

People who are a couple of generations away, did not have relatives that snuck over the border.

Ah the good ol days. In those days it took the money to buy a boat ticket, 29 questions, sometimes a cursory but free medical inspection, and a 98% chance of making it in legally.
Most of those dirty Irish or Italians lived in abject poverty like animals.

It's surprising there isn't more commiseration between recent immigrants and the slightly earlier ones.

Peace
KJ

My Grandfather came here from Italy through Ellis Island.

It didn't take just money, you had to be put in a lottery system from your home town. They only let a few hundred thousand at a time come over.

After a medical inspection, he had to spend three weeks in a concrete cell/room with bars on it, like jail.

He was called all sorts of names, mostly from the Irish and English that were here, and the ones coming over.

He kissed the ground and vowed his allegiance to America and never looked back.

He started his own pool hall with saved money and told the Mafia to get lost anytime they came to him for a 'job'.

These Illegal Immigrants are NOTHING like my Grandfather and the Grandfathers of many of us.



[edit on 19-5-2010 by Prove_It_NOW]

Originally posted by manta78
Here's a good one from the net:


"DEAR MR. PRESIDENT, I AM PLANNING TO MOVE MY FAMILY AND MY EXTENDED FAMILY INTO MEXICO FOR MY HEALTH, AND I WOULD LIKE TO ASK
Posted 2 days 15 hours ago by Skye Rivers

Dear Mr. President: I'm planning to move my family and extended family into Mexico for my health, and I would like to ask you to assist me. We're planning to simply walk across the border from the U.S. Into Mexico, and we'll need your help to make a few arrangements. We plan to skip all the legal stuff like visas, passports, immigration quotas and laws. I'm sure they handle those things the same way you do here. So, would you mind telling your buddy, President Calderon, that I'm on my way over? Please let him know that I will be expecting the following:

Wow, wow, wow!

Excellent! What a way to put both the health insurance issue, and the illegal problem into one great post!

You'd get a million stars if I could do it!