Drill Baby Drill! Of course we should keep drilling for oil both on US land and in US waters.

Originally posted by SlickOil
reply to post by Chevalerous

 

I understand that completely and what I am saying is that as the need arises and there is a market for it, we will develop cleaner ways to use oil and develop other means to produce and store power. Got it?

You still don't understand!

That time is now!

The American and the western world's excess and party is unfortynately over!

The growing economies are running circles around us here in the western world - and they are growing faster and faster for each year.

And soon they will demand the same standard as we have!!

I'm giving up on you my friend - You seem to lack the understanding to grasp the problem here - there's an emergency now for us in the western world to solve this problem!

Bye!

[edit on 5-5-2010 by Chevalerous]

reply to post by Chevalerous


So you just want to roll over and give up. That is now how we Americans roll. Just because we are a little down, doesnt mean we are out. We will stand up and figure our way out of this while the rest of you all lay down and wait to perish.

Originally posted by Nomad451
reply to post by SlickOil

 

AMERICA BURN BABY, BURN!

Your post is extremely ignorant and very typical of an oil addicted American. "Killed some fish along the way?" Are you really that pathetic and mentally challenged?

Oil addicted Americans?

Corporations are not America. Furthermore, is the European pot calling the American kettle black?

I bet your Country is still using oil.

I also bet that if you were to find an alternative energy source for automobiles, say...magnetism...you would have European oil/car companies trying to suppress you.

Have you looked into the SCOPE of this oil spill? It has destroyed an entire ecosystem.. Do you know that that means cowboy? You think your country is just going get up and over this, brush yourselves off and continue to DRILL BABY DRILL? (P.S I really really loathe the way you yanks throw that word "baby" around, makes me sick).

The OP does not speak for every American...there are many of us who are tired of oil, and we want to start using alternative energy sources.

You don't like the way every American uses the word "baby?"

Your "American Empire" is failing at every turn. America is failing baby, you are collapsing. And let me tell you right now, this oil fiasco is your nations last nail in the coffin, it's your death blow. And as much as it pisses me off, when your clusterf@#k country goes down it will be bringing the world down with it.

That's probably because the people who control the American Nation are the same people in control of whatever Country you live in.

Tell me, does your Country use Fractional Reserve Banking?

But you know what, when everything around us has collapsed, and the planet is poisoned, I'll at least take some pleasure in knowing people like you aren't around anymore

And people like you?

Nice way to generalize an entire Country out of nothing more than hate.

Want to express your anger towards someone? Here you go...

*Looks at the gulf, makes a drill baby drill joke to myself. Wonder how these people could be so stupid*

*Comes to ATS and sees a drill baby drill thread being absolutely serious and not a work of satire*

*questions whether or not he wants to come back to ATS ever again.*

reply to post by SlickOil


So I have read through your posts and I seriously hope that your OP is a joke?

You can tell just by the person's name that he's joking. Why are you all falling for it? Chill out. "Drill baby drill" is about as obnoxious as you can get.

reply to post by SlickOil


Great Idea OP,

I hope we drill more too.

*But there are so many envir0-nuts and carbon-cultists lobbying to run our country into the ground, I wonder if we'll ever break free of them and start basing our policies on common sense.

IMO what's gonna happen is that there won't be any new drilling on US land (at least not under the current anti-business administration), no or too little practical (note the use of the word 'practical') alternatives developed, and just continued reliance on foreign oil, as it has always been.

Politics will stall (hopefully temporarily) any attempt to produce more oil off of US land, and practicality will curtail (at least for the time being; there is hope but it's many years away) the wide adoption of alternative sources of power and fuel.

I feel no need to extrapolate on the first issue; but the second problem boils down to consumer wants and needs (hence the OP with the cast iron gas-guzzling sauropod in his driveway) and of course, NIMBY - Not In My Back Yard!

This is what consumers want, and you don't need to be a business person to figure it out:

With regards to vehicles - they want a vehicle (electric, hybrid, hydrogen, whatever "green" technology) that:

1 - is comparable in cost to similar gas-powered models.
2 - gets the same or comparable range as gas-powered models.
3 - has the same or better horse power (and towing power, as the OP seems to prefer) as similar gas-powered models.
4 - has the same or better reliability as gas-powered models,
and finally, #5 - can refuel in a similar amount of time as a gas-powered vehicle.

Show me that green vehicle with ALL of those aforementioned features and I will buy it next time I'm in the market for a new or lightly-used vehicle.

The other thing is NIMBY - I mentioned this on another thread and I will mention it again - many of us "want" wind, solar (and often nuclear power) and geothermal power, but it seems none of us want to look at it, hear it, see it or be around it! No one wants a wind farm on the hill behind their house, no one wants to see the cooling tower of a nuclear power plant off in the distance from their home...

The final thing (that I sort of mentioned with the vehicles) is cost - this is mostly an issue with home-based systems. Show me a "green" central heating system that performs just as well, is just as reliable, and just as cost effective AND of similar cost as the oil heating system I now have and I might just buy it (oh, and it can't tear up my property to be installed and blow cold air in the dead of winter like a #@!*ing forced air heat pump!)

But the last one is a moot point for me, anyway, as I heat with firewood. You get the point. The technology is out there I agree, but it's not competitive with traditional (read: fossil fuels) technology and until then, we will continue to require oil in the mean time. Better that it come from our own lands rather than foreign nations, including those who sponsor terrorism.

reply to post by SlickOil


You wouldn't sat Drill baby drill if you lived on the gulf coast, saw your livlyhood ruined by closures of fishing grounds. Saw your beach front property covered in oil, along with dead fish, dead birds and dead crabs, jellyfish. You also sound like a Yankee, which doesn't care what happens as long as its not in your back yard. Some of us make our living off the gulf. When its destroyed you all will be paying through the nose for your seafood from a foreign country. You can forget about your fancy shrimp cocktails in your swanky NYC bars.

Is mad as hell..

Here is my take on this.
Ok, I am all for alternative energy and so forth. Thing is such a transition cannot occur overnight. Just like there is a transitional process in regards to quitting smoking and weaning a baby off of milk and onto baby food, so should we decrease consumption of oil while at the same time increasing consumption of alternative energy. I am no expert on the matter however, but that is what would make sense to me. In the meantime, lets drill for oil in our country, and once there is actually a better economy, we can invest more in alternative energy, which I have heard is expensive to develop.

Originally posted by SlickOil
reply to post by Nomad451

 

The world is just jealous of us. I bet they would beg just to ride in my big black Escalade. It gets about 8 miles to the gallon on a good day. I bet they dream of coming to one of our giant air conditioned casinos and they wish they could have a closet full of guns so they could defent their families instead of cowering to their government.

lol

"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."

Albert Einstein

Keep on trolling OP.

Oil spills would happen alot less if the enviro-nuts and carbon cultists hadn't lobbied to make us stop pulling oil out of the ground.

The US has vast reserves of oil, but the cultists have crept in and made it so we cannot access it.

Same with nuclear power. Enviro-nuts and their fellow alarmists have ruined our access to cheap, clean efficient nuclear energy.

lets drill baby drill, I mean whats a little oil spill right, whats a few dead animals anyway, we don't need them, theres plenty more. I mean I live 5 thousand miles away, doesn't effect me right, lets drill baby drill, it was only a few people killed, I didn't know them, doesn't effect me, only a small portion of the coast contaminated who cares right. Lets drill baby drill. Lets push the oil price up aswell whilst we are at it, I don't drive a car, that won't effect me. Lets keep the free energy sources a secret so that we can make the fat cats fatter We're americans right, lets drill baby drill. #yeah!

reply to post by franspeakfree


Fran,

There are no alternatives to oil and coal (except for nuclear energy).

The most advanced 'alternative energy' systems (solar, windmills) still produce less than 1930s level oil/coal powerplants.

If it made sense to build 'alternative energy' power generators, entrepreneurs would be building them everywhere - but they aren't, because such systems are not economically viable so long as there is somewhat of a free market.

Spain tried to go alternative - they destroyed their grid, ruined their economy. It was a total and abject failure.



[edit on 5-5-2010 by Exuberant1]

reply to post by Exuberant1


There may not be any alternatives known to us, but the whole oil corruption has engulfed this planet and whilst people are having to sell their houses and possessions in order to pay off their ridiculously inflated loans, (inflated by the very same people who have fingers in different pies I must add) the bubble grows. We, as human collective need to wake up and change our ways by starting to think what we can do to help purselves and our neighbours. Instead of burying heads in the sand and pretending that everythings rosey.

The fat cats have always used the same old tactics against the masses money and fear we need to break the perpetual cycle and create a new world, a world where there is no oil,no corruption. IMO the only way that we can start to achieve this is to think of others before ourselves.

Spain tried to go alternative - they destroyed their grid, ruined their economy. It was a total and abject failure.

In regards to spain, you know aswell as I do that their 'ruined economy' is not down to their wind farms, but the manufactured 'la crisis', its the same old problem, people get greedy and want more more more. By coincedence I have studied the spanish wind farms this year and I admire Spain for taking the leap in to the unknown.

[edit on 5-5-2010 by franspeakfree]

reply to post by franspeakfree


Fran, I think there is also another reason that the US is using and going after everyone else's oil whilst leaving the oil in the continent untouched.

Perhaps the invasion of Iraq and the other 'brushfire wars' are' not so much about getting their oil as it was about denying the rest of the world access to the fuel that nation produces (along with other resources such as minerals).

Eventually the oil and gas outside the American continent will become more difficult to access. It is then that we will be begin building the refineries and tapping the vast continental reserves.

If this is how it is, America will be able to exert a great deal of control over the rest of the oil-dependent world via our control of the spigot.

Under such a long-term strategic plan would also make sense to allow nations and corporations to extract as much as possible from wherever they can, until eventually all the low-lying fruit will by picked, the easier-access resources exhausted.

I think it does make sense to use everyone else's oil first, especially while we can afford it.


*Personally I'm all for nuclear power. We should be building those things wherever we can and using the rods alot longer too.

reply to post by SlickOil


You know...I find the majority of Americans on ATS very wise and insightful people...but you, sir, truly make me sick in a way I can't describe...I'm not a religious man...but I hope you rot in Hell for eternity as a result of your blatant lack of respect and care for this planet and the other life on it...trust me, the rest of the world isn't jealous of you...if you weren't so ignorantly infuriating, we'd probably just feel sorry for you...

P.S - It's not about giving up. If you were beating a man to death, are you a loser if you stop before killing him? You are slowly beating this planet to death...and as soon as we stop and question the possible repercussions of our actions...and consider better ways of doing things...people like you will scream "LOSER!"..."Drill baby drill!"...that's absolutely disgusting...you're fueled by greed and a glutinous personality that doesn't know when to stop...you don't really care about other people, other life, other countries, and other generations that will suffer due to your arrogant ways...

P.S.S - "We work hard and we play hard in a big gas guzzling SUV. ". Americans like you are nothing but spoiled b!7c#3s. Oh, and btw, driving a SUV around isn't playing hard...it's called looking like a douche bag...

You make me sick, slick.

[edit on 5/5/10 by CHA0S]

reply to post by Exuberant1


I agree, and have done ever since the Gulf War 1991. You only have to see how fast US troops started occupying Haiti when the earthquake struck. )The coincedences are always there if you are aware of them) However, I really feel we are going to see a new wave of terorrism soon, not of car bombs in cities but something along the lines of oil sacrifices, maybe false flag attempts of countries blaming other countries in order to build support for nuclear plants.

IMHO - Nuclear will be the final nail on the coffin for humanity as we know it.

Originally posted by franspeakfree
reply to post by Exuberant1

 

IMHO - Nuclear will be the final nail on the coffin for humanity as we know it.

No...

Nuclear energy is a good thing. As we advanced technologically we are able to access higher density energy sources and nuclear-based energy is extremely dense and outputs a great deal of energy relative to it's waste output.

The only people who don't want nuclear power are those who have bought into the scaremonger's propaganda. Those people contribute to the environmental damage caused by drilling and the use of dirtier fuels which don't scare them as much as clean, cheap nuclear power.


*Fran,

Check out this article, it raises some points you should consider:

Nuclear No-Contest