Criminalizing Rights to Peaceably Assemble? Militia Now Viewed as "Gangs"

Originally posted by blackthorne
how many people were arrested or detained wearing anti bush shirts? the man who told cheney to f... off? at least they were just wearing shirts. not making calls for violent overthrows.

First you are against Bush and his cronies arresting people for free speech, then you are for Obama and his cronies arresting people for free speech? Try getting some consistancy in your opinions. I don't agree with either side on this issue. The democrats right now seem to be justifying their attacks on freedom by saying "Bush did it, so why can't we?" which makes no sense. The whole point is, don't do it.

This country is going to lose ALL of our freedoms if we continue down this path, because the next thing you know, the Republicans will be back in power and will say "Obama took away your freedoms why can't we." The only way to stop the cycle is to stop being emotionally and irrationally connected to either party and start thinking for yourself.

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But I've had black girlfriends. How exactly does that make me a...racist?

Thanks for making assumptions though.


Also, I don't really pay attention to the media but from experience, I know a majority of the morons..I mean tea party crybabies are there getting their info from Fox or Glenn Beck. Honestly, that shows you the intelligence of such individuals. I don't hate them, I pity them. I hope they wake up some day. Along with yourself. Take care buddy.

Oh and somebody asked on here what rights have been taken - All of them - if your one of the 60% and rising of the country that has been labled a terrorist you have lost all of your rights. You have even lost your citizenship. Just the trump card waiting to be played when the time is right. And yes President Bush initiated that little gem and this new administration has certainly done nothing to curtail this in fact they have perpetuated it. Republican , Democrat. Left. Right. Black, White it makes no difference. The agenda encompasses all facets and the sooner we "all" realize this the sooner we can put an end to it.

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Really? ALL of our rights have been taken? You mean I can't have a cig? I can't drink? I can't take legalized drugs? I can't have free speech? I can't be gay? (well, in some states you can't lol) I can't go out and say the government sucks? I can't do anything I want anymore? Damn, when did these rights go away?! No one handed me the memo.

But thank you for making me aware of ALL my rights I've lost. Even my citizenship? You mean I'm an illegal alien?!

(sarcasm over)

I will agree President Bush managed to inflict many restricting rules and violations of privacy rights upon the citizens of the United States. Is Obama doing anything different? Not so much. I don't think we're losing our rights though. If we're able to protest, bash the government, question the president's birth place, have a choice in religion, or question 9/11....I think our freedoms reign pretty high.

The only freedom I can really think of that has been removed but always played a part in our lives is Debt. Debt = Slavery and for sure, we're slaves in today's economic nightmare.

Originally posted by GorehoundLarry
I will agree President Bush managed to inflict many restricting rules and violations of privacy rights upon the citizens of the United States. Is Obama doing anything different? Not so much. I don't think we're losing our rights though. If we're able to protest, bash the government, question the president's birth place, have a choice in religion, or question 9/11....I think our freedoms reign pretty high.

Yes I see your point except protesting, bashing the Government, being a birther, and questioning 9/11 can label you a Terrorist thereby you lose - all your rights. Peoples freedoms are being used as the very snare to relinquish those same freedoms

I can see both sides of this argument. The bill, as proposed (IMO) will not pass constitutional muster once challenged. It is an infringment on freedom of assembly, and freedom to associate with whomever you want.
(Someone listed off a list of amendments, including the 4th - Which does not apply to the individual, so I am not sure how you got that one).

The law, if passed, will be challenegd, and will most likely be struck down (in its current form). The state I live in has modifiers on certain statutes. Take a riot for example.. You only need to have 6 people present for an unlawful assembly to become a riot.

The defining of who can be in a militia is going to be a seperate issue all together and the state will most likely have standing in going after "other militias"

2nd Amendment
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

The words "a well regulated militia being neccessary for he security of a free state" will be whats used for the law suits. No where in tyhe legislation does it go after individuals and their right to bear arms. They just want the groups that self identify as a militia who advocate the violent overthrow of the government, or the groups who advocate radical social change using methods that would get other people thrown in jail.

With this being said, I think the current version is a bit of an over reach for the state Government. Oklahaoma can pass it, it will be challeneged at the state level.. It will go to the Federal Level, where the appeals court will strike it down, making it illegal for any state to have a law like this in the 10th circuit. It will become precident for others to use to strike down similr laws.

To the person who made a comment about being a 1%er.. The training I received taught that 1% in motor cycle gangs were usually people who have killed someone.. Feel free to correct that.

Originally posted by WWJFKD

Originally posted by GorehoundLarry
I will agree President Bush managed to inflict many restricting rules and violations of privacy rights upon the citizens of the United States. Is Obama doing anything different? Not so much. I don't think we're losing our rights though. If we're able to protest, bash the government, question the president's birth place, have a choice in religion, or question 9/11....I think our freedoms reign pretty high.

Yes I see your point except protesting, bashing the Government, being a birther, and questioning 9/11 can label you a Terrorist thereby you lose - all your rights. Peoples freedoms are being used as the very snare to relinquish those same freedoms

The fundamental flaw in this is the Government can pass the law, but the Courts are the ones who can strike it down as being illegal / unconstitutional. The anger should be directed at the CONGRESS, who puts together and pases the law, the PRESIDENT for signing the stupid thing into law, and finally the AMERICAN PEOPLE for not voting these tools out of office when we have the chance.

Don't you just love how the Gov't selectively enforces the Constitution? They quote it when it benefits them one day and then they trample it the next.

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They may label you a "Terrorist" but I honestly do not think the government is going to go to the point of arresting or detaining individuals for believing in or questioning such topics. Unless of course, you make a direct threat to a governmental figure or preach about something involving the harm of anyone.

In fact, I remember protesters at the Republican National Convention in 04 (i believe it was 04) were arrested. I guess the point is that the arresting of protesters is not new and has been happening for quite sometime now. But like I said, I don't think birthers are going to get detained for believing their president is from a foreign country.



Times are rough, but they won't get that rough.

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Originally posted by GorehoundLarry
reply to post by WWJFKD

 

They may label you a "Terrorist" but I honestly do not think the government is going to go to the point of arresting or detaining individuals for believing in or questioning such topics. Unless of course, you make a direct threat to a governmental figure or preach about something involving the harm of anyone.


Times are rough, but they won't get that rough.

And I again see your point here, but if this is allowed to move forward largely unopposed where might we eventually find ourselves. In a truly Totalitarian society - not suggesting were there quite yet - no form of opposition is permitted. It would not matter if you took up arms or were involved in political dissent your punishment would be the same. History proves this time and time again. All opposition is put down.

Yes this is a most extreme case but every totalitarian society or Dictatorship started somewhere and followed a similar pattern. We have seen many examples to suggest that we are following that same pattern, not the least of which is labeling its own populace as a threat to the Governments existence.

I appreciate your willingness to engage in thoughtful debate

Originally posted by WWJFKD

Originally posted by piddles
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edit: read the first part wrong

yes there are a great deal of people in the US, not all of them think the gov't is going to bang down their door and are preparing for it. do you really think an actual battle between the real numbers of people who are in militias and the military would last long or end in any other way other than them getting blown to bits?

that's why I can't take them seriously, it's totally unrealistic.

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I'm pretty sure most of the mare spread out, right? if they all banded together, wouldn't they get destroyed in large numbers due to the fact that they have no sort of air support? they don't have really have the same kind of technology as the US military, right?

so how is that a threatening?

to people who don't really know or care, they just look like crazy people playing army which seems kind of irrelevant. just sayin.


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You are making a foolhardy assumption that their own military will engage them wholesale. Oh sure there will always be those few possibly few hundred maybe thousand but the United States military will not engage its own populace wholesale. You do not know the reach of the Militias and how far up the chain that reach extends.

Why do you fear your Government and don't tell me you don't because you fear its overwhelming military might over you, why do you allow them to take your courage. What you perceive and what is real are not one and the same. You don't know what the Militia has done for you and that's how it is meant to be. Others do behind the scenes so that you can carry on with your life uninterrupted. Militia doesn't only mean taking up arms in this day they are many facets hard at work behind the scenes helping maintain the balance. You don't have to believe me. I took my oath and I'm bound to it. You benefit from it whether you want it or not.

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I think it is you who makes the fool hardy assumption that the gov't wouldn't deal with a person or persons trying to kill people who work for them. that's the point of the militia, isn't it? to overthrow the great tyranny or something? that would involve killing some people, right?

I don't know what the militia has done for me because it's more than possible that they haven't done anything for me. You telling me I benefit from it whether I know it or not is completely baseless and probably comes without evidence.

How can you be condescending about what I understand when you aren't capable of making me understand? all you can do is tell me to "be quiet and move on, citizen" and I don't like it.

And if Militia priorities are for something other than arms stocking and preparing for a war it can't possibly win, what are they? are militia members politicians? Wouldn't they be working towards a future that doesn't involve a militia?


so until you actually say something, I still remain unanswered as to what Militias do besides training and arms stockpiling.

also I thought I answered you respectfully, you make me sound like some kind scared little kid. I felt I was being pretty realistic when I tell you that if militias actually brought any kind of violence, they would be dealt with accordingly. Believing in the power of technology and understanding who has control of it isn't being scared of your government, it's being smart about how you conduct your business.

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Having watched many of the videos concerning militias myself (albeit most of them have been around for four years or so in various forms and places) I can understand 1. Why it seems as if they must all live in the middle of nowhere, and 2. that they seem to be (to the untrained eye) nothing more than a bunch of guys running around in the forest with guns.

I can assure you that most of these folks know exactly what they are doing, as from the videos ive seen, their actions directly reflect the army field manual, FM 7-1 , battle focused training.

The few people in my area that I know who are involved in local militias, are very level headed, generally suburbanites. PTA/city council, types.

Time to get back to work, i'll try to respond more in a few hours.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by kozmo
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The Brown Shirts aren't coming, they are already here - we call them "Progressives"!

But still there are Americans who back the "Progressives"... Those of us who have experienced Socialist dictatorships in the past have been trying to warn against this.

Progressive is just another word for "Socialist dictator", and all the bills that this administration is passing, and trying to pass proves this to be so.

Yes, there are also corporations involved in this, but if you look at the history of every Socialist dictatorship the state, and the corporations always merge.

It feels like I am reliving the nightmare that my family and escaped from in Communist Cuba....

I never thought for my life that Americans would so willingly accept Socialism when Socialism aims at "destroying individuality for the good of the whole".... Once the individual doesn't have rights, then the whole doesn't have rights and is instead oppressed by the government in power...

Janet Napolitano should be fired from her job for her "rightwing extremism" diatribe, and the Progressives should lose their jobs alongside every other government official that is selling, and giving up the Republic of the United States.

how can you compare a few socialist-esque policies to communism in Cuba? that's such a complete extremist view. that kind of sweeping generalization misinforms people and stops reform from happening. You should know that since you lived in a place of immense propaganda and dictatorship, supposedly.

oh, and I'm willing to bet dictatorships and corporations merge probably after the dictator has pissed away most of the budget.

the fact that you would even call a Progressive a Socialist Dictator is absurd. a true progressive want positive change for their country, not to own and devour everything in sight.

but I mean if you're just going to vomit up everything fox news says, so be it.

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I first and foremost apologize for sounding condescending - it was not my intention. You are absolutely correct and I can not substantiate any of the claims you mentioned.

Please consider having more faith in your servant military - you are their commanding officer (commander in chief - answers to the people)

The Militia and not just every male over 17 etc. but the active militia is far more than gun wielding ammo stockpilers. They hold high positions and low and they believe in this countries potential.

Todays active Militia is largely non-violent and understands that these tactics are only to be used as a last case alternative in a defensive manner. I cannot speak to the fringe. They are going to do or not do whatever they will.

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edited: this is actually going to cause more argument and thread derailment

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Originally posted by JIMC5499
This isn't anything new. It has been tried before. Usually when Democrats are in power. Right now they see the clock ticking and are trying to do as much damage as they can before they get their heads handed to them in November.

Actually this bill is in the Oklahoma state legislature where both the Senate and House have Republican majorities (Senate 26-22 R over D) (House 63-39 R over D). The Rethuglicans are firmly in power in OK.

If you saw some of these drunk hillbilly teapartyers n birthers on tv lately you'd see why we have to deem them gangs

Originally posted by piddles
what has any of these militias done to help the american people or anything else or that matter besides talk big and make indirect threats? I've only read about these people being ready to fight, never anything else.

Fair question... for someone who may be lacking in the area of American history. Let's see if we can't shine some light on the subject matter.

A long time ago, back when the colonies were the subjects of the British Crown, around the early 1700s, the people were subjected to tyrannical rule. The colonies lacked suitable representation in parliament and fell often to the whims and wills of the king. In 1763 things bagan to come to a head. Thge Proclamation of 1763 prohibited any English settlements west of Appalachia and required, under law, that any settlers already there return immediately to proscribed settlements authorized by the Crown. In 1764, The Sugar Act was passed whcih instituted various duties on items being sold or exported from the colonies. That same year the Currency Act was passed which prohibited the colonists from coining any "money" other than what the Crown proscribed.
The following year saw the implementation of the Stamp Act - which amounted to a DIRECT TAX on the colonies that go directly to Britain. That was the beginning of the end of the tyranny.

In July of 1765 the Sons of Liberty were founded, this was the birth of what would become the militia. Their goal was to shed to tyrannical rule that had come to permeate every aspect of colonial life. The colonists deeply resented being governed from afar by a "government" that had nothing more than a finacial interest in the colonies and cared not one whit for the people.

Next came the Quartering Act and then the Townshend Act. This bolsters the position of Sons of Liberty in the eyes of colonists and sees many young men joining the cause to shed British rule. IN January 1770 the fist blood is shed in New York between 40 British soldiers and the Sons of Liberty. MArch of that year sees the Boston Massacre and further escalation of tensions toward violence. November 1772 sees Sam Adams convene a meeting in Boston to discuss self-rule. March of 1773 sees the formation of the Virginia House of Burgess Committee of Eleven to address grievances against the British. May 10th, 1773 begins the imposition of the famous TEA TAX - recognized today as the last straw!

December 16, 1773 the Boston Tea Party takes place with over 8000 colonial "Activists" boarding British ships and dumping tea overboard to protesting the the Tea Tax. In 1774 the Crown passed the Coercive Acts to punish the Colonists for their actions against the East India Trading Co. September of 1774 saw teh First Continental Congress convene to address the Coercive Acts. During those meetings, on September 17th, 1774, the Continental Congress calls for the formation of local militias to defend agains the British.

ON April 17, 1775 - NOW PAY ATTENTION HERE - 70 armed local militia stand their ground on Lexington Green in Mass. to face the advancing British troops who were sent to quell the insurrection and enforce the Coercive Acts. Shortly thereafter the "SHOT HEARD AROUND THE WORLD" was fired, beginning the Revolutionary War. In April and May of that year the COntinental Congress convenes the COntinental Army consisting of 13,600 troops to defend against the British onslaught - this is NOT the militia, this is America's first standing army.

After the American Revolution, a permanent army is commissioned during the Confederation Period but a well-armed militia stands at the ready in each of the colonies, their ranks swelling to over 17,000 able-bodies men.

The delegates of the Constitutional Convention (the founding fathers/framers of the United States Constitution) under Article 1; section 8, clauses 15 and 16 of the federal constitution, granted Congress the power to "provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia," as well as, and in distinction to, the power to raise an army and a navy. The US Congress is granted the power to use the militia of the United States for three specific missions, as described in Article 1, section 8, clause 15: "To provide for the calling for of the militia to execute the laws of the Union, suppress insurrections, and repel invasions." The Militia Act of 1792[19] clarified whom the militia consists of; " Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia, by the Captain or Commanding Officer of the company, within whose bounds such citizen shall reside, and that within twelve months after the passing of this Act."

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So, you see, the milita was instrumental in the formation of this nation. Additionally, so concerned were the Founders with a standing Army, that the milita was encouraged as an opposing froce and a deterrent to future government tyranny. Throughout the years, we have seen an ever aggressive Federal Government attempt to repeatedly usurp the Militia Act of 1792. To this very day, the milita remains a necessity to counter-balance the ever-growing authority that the Federal Government grants itself without Constitutional Authority.

Consider the following as a parting thought:

At the time of the drafting of the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights, a political sentiment existed in the newly formed United States involving suspicion of peacetime armies not under civilian control. This political belief has been identified as stemming from the memory of the abuses of the standing army of Oliver Cromwell and King James II, in Great Britain in the prior century, which led to the Glorious Revolution and resulted in placing the standing army under the control of Parliament.[20] During the Congressional debates, James Madison discussed how a militia could help defend liberty against tyranny and oppression:

The highest number to which a standing army can be carried in any country does not exceed one hundredth part of the souls, or one twenty-fifth part of the number able to bear arms. This portion would not yield, in the United States, an army of more than twenty-five or thirty thousand men. To these would be opposed a militia amounting to near half a million citizens with arms in their hands, officered by men chosen from among themselves, fighting for their common liberties and united and conducted by governments possessing their affections and confidence. It may well be doubted whether a militia thus circumstanced could ever be conquered by such a proportion of regular troops. Besides the advantage of being armed, it forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of. The governments of Europe are afraid to trust the people with arms. If they did, the people would surely shake off the yoke of tyranny, as America did. Let us not insult the free and gallant citizens of America with the suspicion that they would be less able to defend the rights of which they would be in actual possession than the debased subjects of arbitrary power would be to rescue theirs from the hands of their oppressors."- (Source I Annals of Congress 434, June 8, 1789)

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reply to post by GorehoundLarry

These men and women aren't aware of what they're protesting about. Like many tea bagging folks (god get a new name already, please?), they will believe anything that is fed to them.

Well there is certainly something we can agree on, is the distinctly poor choice in moniker.
However, I would argue that regardless of political affiliation, there are many across the board who are unaware just what it is they protest.

As for those who grumble loudly, and seem to not know exactly what it IS they are angry about, is this not in itself reason to be a guiding voice? There is plenty to be angry about. If those who possess the clarity to do so, provide unity for those who lack it, much good could be done in this country in a very short time. If any of you folks have ever been to or around a chicken farm, then you know all too well what happens when the rooster isnt there; as they say - "The chickens are restless"....I.E. total mayhem.

From what I have seen of the various militias though, recruiting videos aside, they are not as a group protesting anything, just simply stating their existence; a show of force if you will. In my opinion they shouldnt as a group be associated with the "im angry, but not really sure how to quantify it" group

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But I've had black girlfriends. How exactly does that make me a...racist?

LOL LOL LOL...Wow your a deep thinker..I'll give you that.

When you figure it out ...come back and talk to me.

Name calling and labeling is the bailiwick of left and socialist type thinkers. It is also textbook of entitlement type thinkers who think that by default they automatically have the moral and ethical high ground..it is owed to them because they can justify themselves by smearing others with a label. Another variation of it is the "victim dictum" or the underdog dictum. They believe they can devoutly justify almost any conduct because they are somehow by labeling and victimization..higher morals/morality...justify anything.....at public expense of course...

But we are getting off topic here.

What kind of girlfriends you have is not what I am talking about at all...but it does show how you think and expect to ethically default through...as I have been trying to show to others on this board.

What it is not is mature thoughtful analyzing on your part. It is just cheap self justification..just like certain political parties have been doing in this country for years and years.

Certain peoples out here have been catching on to these techniques and are teaching others how to spot and put a mark on them for others to know and see.

There are those of us out here trained in occult techniques..and particularly occult religions. And politics is an occult religion. Hiding and concealing its methods and techniques from the general public in order to reach their goals.

And politics is a religion..both Republican and Democrat..they are both phonies. I have known this for several years now....because the Republicans cannot possibly be so stupid they do not know what is going on. Yet they themselves do not tell the public...they conceal it...hide it to themselves. This is what Occult means...concealed, hidden, known only to a chosen few. Esoteric.

A religion must be quite devout to carry on this template over the public consistently ..year in and year out at public expense.
That is how I know it is a religion..while they themselves claim separation of church and state. They are phonies. And they are teaching this religion in public schools. All I have to do to verify this template is read your posts to know. You are among the faithful in this religion.
You are textbook of a public school education. Self justification, self promoting at the expense of others...labeling, stereotyping.


Others out here can see it now as well.

The fact that you have or have not had black girlfriends has nothing to do with it. I should not have to tell you this. You should be able to think it through. But you cannot break your conditioning long enough to see it.




I am adding this to my posts in editing as I am reading down the thread here on page 5.

Really? ALL of our rights have been taken? You mean I can't have a cig? I can't drink? I can't take legalized drugs? I can't have free speech? I can't be gay? (well, in some states you can't lol)

This... GoreHoundLarry..is what you think are valuable as rights. This is your version of peak performance.??
I told you and others on this board that you have a public school education..meaning self justification..ie..a television/movie education.

This is self indulgence...not rights and liberty. Only a self indulgent self justifying individual would count your list quoted here as rights of which to be proud. This can only come from a public school education.

Thinking people know better than this Larry...emoting people do not.


For the rest of the board out here who have forgotten history. It is the Government who have consistently turned their troops or militia on the American public in recent years.

At Ruby Ridge where their highly refined skill set killed a woman and child.
At Waco..where in spite of the rhetoric....the government ineptness wound up killing over eighty people including the children they claimed to be trying to save.

It is our own government which cannot be trusted here. And we are reaching a point where to speak of it is to be labeled and soon targeted. Culled out from the heard for correction Anyone thinking can see this coming. There are those who warned of it over 30 years ago....that it would wax worse and worse.

When the government begins to do this...people take notice. One of the jobs or tasks of government is to alter the history so that the next generations forget or don't know. They have done such a good job ..many of the new generation have never heard of Vietnam.
Many will soon forget Waco and Ruby Ridge.

There is a rift happening in this country...and it is not being covered well in the controlled media compared to what it is...and what it portends.

There exists a far overreaching Federal Government who for years and years has imposed rules and regulations on the states. They used to assist the states in financing and paying for the implementation of these rules and regulations..but in the last 15 years have begun to cut off these funds to the states. Now the states are become resentful of Federal intrusion into their affairs. What the Federal Government has not done is get rid of the rules and regulations..they still expect the states to carry them out...at state expense. The states are becoming resentful to an unresponsive Federal Government. Unresponsive to the state needs.

The states are beginning to realize that they are alone and must needs take care of their problems themselves. They cannot count on the Feds except to further complicate their problems.

This is the nature of the struggle which has taken place from the founding of this country. A strong Federal Government which needs override the needs of its member states and hence the people of these states..or a weak Limited Federal government where the states manage most of their own affairs and for their purposes..and the peoples thereby have liberty and freedom to manage their own affairs as well.
This is the struggle which is re emerging today. Most of the media do not want to define it for us...but just use stock labeling and stereotyping to keep peoples off balance and never allow them to realize the history repeating itself.

The Tea Party peoples are aware of this template...more so than the average individual in America who has mostly on their minds..sports and American Idol.
What has happened is that the Tea Party peoples have awakened the State lawmakers as well.

What is happening is that as long as you have on your mind sports and television drivel..you are ok...but if you have an opinion different than what is destined by someone in politics...you are to be labeled and stereotyped. You are a threat...a danger.
This should be an obvious trend to anyone who can see and think through the cheap standard issue rhetoric..by both political parties as well as by the labeling stereotyping posts on this thread...of the same labeling caliber.
This type of labeling is nothing more than a type of opinion making...it is an attempt at veiled censorship by labeling. This is how occult politics works.
Bewarned the very next time you see it in the media shilling for their respective political parties. They are trying to censor you....on the cheap.

When this present administration began to openly speak of veterans or returning veterans being possibly suspect as terrorists or terrorist material.....right then and there they began to lose their moral authority.
They want to train these peoples to go off and fight their dirty wars for them..but when they get back..they can be suspect for being trained by the same government. What nonsense ..what stupidity.

One has to go to public school to get that naturally stupid and openly declare to the public such nonsense. This also tells very much of a frightful and insecure government to openly make such a statement about our veterans. And I mean Republican and Democrat both. It is also telling of a manipulated media..who openly shill for both political parties. No shame in them..only self justification. But they want you to be shamed to silence because they label you.

Are any of you catching on???


Thanks,
Orangetom



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