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Criminalizing Rights to Peaceably Assemble? Militia Now Viewed as "Gangs"

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posted on Apr, 26 2010 @ 10:28 PM
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Originally posted by lilwolf

Originally posted by GorehoundLarry
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So how do you plan on bringing America back to the people? What will you exactly bring back? After wards, what is the plan?

I don't pretend I have the answers on how to fix the government, but let's see you do it instead


I can't wait when Obama is out of office and a Republican enters. This site will no longer be as active it is now. Because so many posters will have no more stories to make up or propaganda they heard from Fox News


[edit on 26-4-2010 by GorehoundLarry]



youre one to talk about propaganda... you have no clue what a militia actually is let alone fathom what it is they stand for... stop listening to the MSNBC jerk and start reading... you might learn something...

As for what we would do... nothing till they fire the first shot...and then maybe you might see your rights returned to you... the ones you have no concern for...

I would bet you are not a gun rights person. staunch liberal in the left leaning tree.... and many other things...

read some for awhile and then come back


Nope, not a liberal but thank you
Oh I get it, liberals are evil. GRRR not those open minded individuals! Damn them and their free thinking politics! Ah, and nope, I don't watch MSNBC either, or any Mainstream news outlet. They love Obama don't they? Would you know or were you told to hate them by other right wingers?

Also, I see you are unable to answer my question. I think you've proved my point. You really don't know what the hell you're talking about when it comes to removal of rights. Ungrateful? You bet you are. I'll be eager to see you act happy and stop talking about "militias" (aka groups of grown men who act like cry babies. Want a diaper?) when a white Republican enters office.

People like you amaze me, really. You do. Please, have a mind of your own. Thanks, sweetie.

Also, if you wish to continue this, PM me..I think this thread has been derailed enough. but yet, it was meant to attract bitter folks.




posted on Apr, 26 2010 @ 10:30 PM
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Originally posted by drwolf
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Here's one freedom they took away, the right to fish and catch your own food. Now you have to register and pay a fee to get a license to go fishing in saltwater, all in the name of keeping track of fish. It maybe trivial, but it is on less FREEdom we have


Actually, you should have a license if you want to catch animals with hooks. You also need a license to murder animals, do you not? This is not a freedom taken away but a positive note.



posted on Apr, 26 2010 @ 10:31 PM
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Originally posted by piddles
I think if a bunch of idiots wanna parade around with guns, I kind of doubt a law would actually stop them.

I stopped taking these militias seriously when I realized all they do is make masturbatory youtube videos of them pretending they're in a real life Call of Duty game.


when the time calls for them to MAYBE be of service, they're not going to be defending anyone's freedom but their own from a BS bunker in their backyard.


oh, and I bet they'll all go back into hiding when another republican gets back into office.


Thank you! A SENSIBLE person has posted.



posted on Apr, 26 2010 @ 10:31 PM
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Originally posted by lilwolf

Originally posted by piddles
I think if a bunch of idiots wanna parade around with guns, I kind of doubt a law would actually stop them.

I stopped taking these militias seriously when I realized all they do is make masturbatory youtube videos of them pretending they're in a real life Call of Duty game.


when the time calls for them to MAYBE be of service, they're not going to be defending anyone's freedom but their own from a BS bunker in their backyard.


oh, and I bet they'll all go back into hiding when another republican gets back into office.



perhaps you ought to look around and see just what they do before you start having your orgasmic ecstacy over what you think they are.


ohhh I get it, I used the word masturbatory in a way that doesn't apply to porn and suddenly I'm some weird sexual monster.

okay, dude, enlighten me what have militias actually done to affect the government in a positive way (state or federal), to protect someone's freedom from gov't oppression, or...generally just anything besides talk big and make indirect threats?

I spent a bit of time researching this because I thought for a short time I would actually want to be apart of something of that sort. perhaps militia and minutemen were relevant in the time period when the gov't and its military wasn't as powerful as it is now. You can seem tough and cool on a youtube video (I've seen a few, even posted on here), but how fast do you guys think would lose their composure when there's a UAV drone right over their "compound"?


I realize and retract my harsh intentions in my original post because yes, the people should have the right to protest but I don't think militias are the right way, or even relevant to a society that really doesn't want any kind of war.



posted on Apr, 26 2010 @ 10:37 PM
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Oh well, the endisnighe militia has just been renamed.

We are now the endisnighe trap and gun club.



posted on Apr, 26 2010 @ 10:39 PM
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Originally posted by kozmo
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Is that all they do... "Make masturbatory videos"???

Sounds like you may have some experience regarding the matter, eh?


Thank you for sharing that deep, thought-provoking pearl of wisdom. Because, I thought the militias did a whole heck of alot more than that. But what do I know, right?


what do you know? you can't even read an article correctly before posting it. You post blogs as sources (remember your last HOAX?). I have every reason to doubt you, when it comes to political forums (respectfully, that morgellan's thread was pretty good).

I asked someone else this, enlighten me,

what has any of these militias done to help the american people or anything else or that matter besides talk big and make indirect threats? I've only read about these people being ready to fight, never anything else.



posted on Apr, 26 2010 @ 10:42 PM
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Originally posted by kozmo
Whew! After MUCH research, here is what I have concluded... This is an Ammendment to Oklahoma Senate Bill 2018.

Update Here


So, my apologies for jumping the gun and thinking this was a Federal proposal. BUT... it IS interesting that this is the same state that was working with the Governor to ESTABLISH a militia. Which leads me to believe that the State government is attempting to usurp the authority of the people of the State of Oklahoma by taking over the militia.


It's ok, lot's of guys blow a bit premature when they get all excited...
Love how you jump right back in and defend it like that.



posted on Apr, 26 2010 @ 10:44 PM
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Originally posted by GorehoundLarry

Originally posted by piddles
I think if a bunch of idiots wanna parade around with guns, I kind of doubt a law would actually stop them.

I stopped taking these militias seriously when I realized all they do is make masturbatory youtube videos of them pretending they're in a real life Call of Duty game.


when the time calls for them to MAYBE be of service, they're not going to be defending anyone's freedom but their own from a BS bunker in their backyard.


oh, and I bet they'll all go back into hiding when another republican gets back into office.


Thank you! A SENSIBLE person has posted.


haha I thought I was the only one. political affiliation (and not just left or right) is so important, it tends to make one's motives a little more transparent.



posted on Apr, 26 2010 @ 11:05 PM
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According to the state of California, any group more than 3 civilians coming together to train in military fashion is considered a militia and is therefore illegal.



posted on Apr, 26 2010 @ 11:10 PM
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The un-organized militias you speak of, are simply men and women who have made a public stand that IF the need should arise to defend our country from any entity including the federal government, that they stand ready to do so.

To you two folks, GorehoundLarry and Piddles, I have this question:

How exactly is this a bad thing?
If you choose to respond, please do so in a non inciting, non spiteful way, as we cannot engage in public discourse and truly come to an understanding by doing so..

Please also bear in mind that where I am, it's early morning- so there's no rush on this as i understand most folks back home are heading to bed now.



posted on Apr, 26 2010 @ 11:11 PM
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Originally posted by GorehoundLarry

Originally posted by lilwolf

Originally posted by GorehoundLarry
reply to post by lilwolf
 



So how do you plan on bringing America back to the people? What will you exactly bring back? After wards, what is the plan?

I don't pretend I have the answers on how to fix the government, but let's see you do it instead


I can't wait when Obama is out of office and a Republican enters. This site will no longer be as active it is now. Because so many posters will have no more stories to make up or propaganda they heard from Fox News


[edit on 26-4-2010 by GorehoundLarry]



youre one to talk about propaganda... you have no clue what a militia actually is let alone fathom what it is they stand for... stop listening to the MSNBC jerk and start reading... you might learn something...

As for what we would do... nothing till they fire the first shot...and then maybe you might see your rights returned to you... the ones you have no concern for...

I would bet you are not a gun rights person. staunch liberal in the left leaning tree.... and many other things...

read some for awhile and then come back


Nope, not a liberal but thank you
Oh I get it, liberals are evil. GRRR not those open minded individuals! Damn them and their free thinking politics! Ah, and nope, I don't watch MSNBC either, or any Mainstream news outlet. They love Obama don't they? Would you know or were you told to hate them by other right wingers?

Also, I see you are unable to answer my question. I think you've proved my point. You really don't know what the hell you're talking about when it comes to removal of rights. Ungrateful? You bet you are. I'll be eager to see you act happy and stop talking about "militias" (aka groups of grown men who act like cry babies. Want a diaper?) when a white Republican enters office.

People like you amaze me, really. You do. Please, have a mind of your own. Thanks, sweetie.

Also, if you wish to continue this, PM me..I think this thread has been derailed enough. but yet, it was meant to attract bitter folks.




well, it is late but rest assured that when i get up and home from work I am going to respond to you... because you are so wrong all across the table, and you just have not figured out where you are wrong ...yet... but you will if you have enough mind to actually try to understand... doubtful but i am going to make an attempt at planting something in your brasin matterother than the # you have been bottle fed...good night



posted on Apr, 26 2010 @ 11:32 PM
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I don't question their right to assemble. I question how they do it. the videos I've seen have such an arrogant and threatening demeanor and have recently grown in numbers and popularity with the election of president obama. it sort of leads me to think these groups are not so much protecting their rights as they are just scared and riled up (who are also probably mad for the same reasons) people made this way by media sensationalists.


edit: I'm also under the impression that most of these people live off the grid, only further limiting their involvement with the changing of the nation and policies. doing nothing and waiting for it all to go to hell sounds kind of lazy, no?

[edit on 26-4-2010 by piddles]



posted on Apr, 26 2010 @ 11:39 PM
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Of course I'm wrong
Anyone who doesn't agree with your opinions is incorrect or a stupid liberal, right?

Open mind. Get one. I wish you luck in the future.



posted on Apr, 26 2010 @ 11:42 PM
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These men and women aren't aware of what they're protesting about. Like many tea bagging folks (god get a new name already, please?), they will believe anything that is fed to them.

Also,

I'm waiting for a list of freedoms that have been taken away. Can someone actually present a list? And no, having a license to fish is not a removal of freedom like another member stated. I think that actually kinda proves my point.



posted on Apr, 26 2010 @ 11:45 PM
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Originally posted by dragnet53

Originally posted by boondock-saint
it will be a sad sad day
if this passes

before u know it, I'm gonna have
to fill out a request to go take a cr@p
and then my toilet paper is limited
cuz I'm harming trees.

what a crock !!!

here's a hint big brother
u cannot micromanage
300 Million people


I told people a long time ago just watch this country will be like the movie Demolition Man. Then in November all the idiots will vote all Republican and then the Republicans will have a Republican president in 2012. Then the backlash will begin ten fold. I am Republican and hate to see them all in full control with 60 votes.


Oh God! not the "three sea shells" Sorry couldn't resist



posted on Apr, 26 2010 @ 11:57 PM
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Originally posted by piddles

Originally posted by kozmo
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Is that all they do... "Make masturbatory videos"???

Sounds like you may have some experience regarding the matter, eh?


Thank you for sharing that deep, thought-provoking pearl of wisdom. Because, I thought the militias did a whole heck of alot more than that. But what do I know, right?


what do you know? you can't even read an article correctly before posting it. You post blogs as sources (remember your last HOAX?). I have every reason to doubt you, when it comes to political forums (respectfully, that morgellan's thread was pretty good).

I asked someone else this, enlighten me,

what has any of these militias done to help the american people or anything else or that matter besides talk big and make indirect threats? I've only read about these people being ready to fight, never anything else.


They exhibited amazing courage in the face of overwhelming opposition. They helped form a Republic free of the tyranny of British Rule. But that was back when they were relevant... I guess now were just screwed.

There are 300,000,000 people in this country roughly and not a force on the planet that could oppose them if they got focused I'd say that makes them pretty relevant today.



posted on Apr, 27 2010 @ 12:30 AM
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edit: read the first part wrong

yes there are a great deal of people in the US, not all of them think the gov't is going to bang down their door and are preparing for it. do you really think an actual battle between the real numbers of people who are in militias and the military would last long or end in any other way other than them getting blown to bits?

that's why I can't take them seriously, it's totally unrealistic.

/edit

I'm pretty sure most of the mare spread out, right? if they all banded together, wouldn't they get destroyed in large numbers due to the fact that they have no sort of air support? they don't have really have the same kind of technology as the US military, right?

so how is that a threatening?

to people who don't really know or care, they just look like crazy people playing army which seems kind of irrelevant. just sayin.


[edit on 27-4-2010 by piddles]



posted on Apr, 27 2010 @ 12:45 AM
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Originally posted by piddles
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edit: read the first part wrong

yes there are a great deal of people in the US, not all of them think the gov't is going to bang down their door and are preparing for it. do you really think an actual battle between the real numbers of people who are in militias and the military would last long or end in any other way other than them getting blown to bits?

that's why I can't take them seriously, it's totally unrealistic.

/edit

I'm pretty sure most of the mare spread out, right? if they all banded together, wouldn't they get destroyed in large numbers due to the fact that they have no sort of air support? they don't have really have the same kind of technology as the US military, right?

so how is that a threatening?

to people who don't really know or care, they just look like crazy people playing army which seems kind of irrelevant. just sayin.


[edit on 27-4-2010 by piddles]


You are making a foolhardy assumption that their own military will engage them wholesale. Oh sure there will always be those few possibly few hundred maybe thousand but the United States military will not engage its own populace wholesale. You do not know the reach of the Militias and how far up the chain that reach extends.

Why do you fear your Government and don't tell me you don't because you fear its overwhelming military might over you, why do you allow them to take your courage. What you perceive and what is real are not one and the same. You don't know what the Militia has done for you and that's how it is meant to be. Others do behind the scenes so that you can carry on with your life uninterrupted. Militia doesn't only mean taking up arms in this day they are many facets hard at work behind the scenes helping maintain the balance. You don't have to believe me. I took my oath and I'm bound to it. You benefit from it whether you want it or not.

[edit on 27-4-2010 by WWJFKD]



posted on Apr, 27 2010 @ 12:56 AM
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I'll be eager to see you act happy and stop talking about "militias" (aka groups of grown men who act like cry babies. Want a diaper?) when a white Republican enters office.

#3 Where are the patriots? Only ones I see are the ones who realize that a bunch of tea party protesters are racist, ignorant and just plain moronic brainwashed folks. Stop watching your News and actually think for yourself.

until someone they dislike because of their Party affiliation or color steps in. Then they'll preach like it's the end of America.


Tell me...what are you protesting for? What freedom have you lost so far?



People who have race on their mind so much are usually racists. The tea party peoples are being labeled racists by a news media who for years has had nothing but race issues on its mind and also making others feel guilty for for being a certain colour. Guilt conditioning..not only in the news but in public schools as well...paid for by the government. They have invested in racism and guilt conditioning for the purposes of supporting certain political parties

And I see you GorehoundLarry doing exactly the same thing here as the Bulk of the news media repeating the same stock phrases...also the textbook racism techniques in which the media, government, and public education has so heavily invested.

I am not impressed except to declare you a racist for the purposes of defaulting through and thinking you are going to silence people by your covert racism. It is overt to me GorehoundLarry.
No one else here outside of you is mentioning race. It is obviously one of the most potent cards in your inventory...or so you seem to think.

What you need to understand ...is that people out here are beginning to see it for what it is..cheap racist politics of the 21st century. Attempting to default through unquestioned and unchallenged....by default...by guilt conditioning. Using racism and racist techniques to label others racist.
This kind of cheap drama politics does not work on me. I have nothing to feel guilty about. Not interested in it except to expose it for the blatant and ignorant racism it is.

To label people with different political and American Beliefs because they differ with you as racists..is racism. It is also the cheapest type of political labeling...it is whoredom..attempting to sell the souls of the public for lucre...leverage..by guilt conditioning. This is also a definition of today's politics.

Americans all across this land are beginning to see and recognize this guilt conditioning for what it is..whoredom..and they are tiring of it and teaching others to spot it.
It is you who needs to grow up and out of such cheap racism techniques. This type of racism and race baiting began to lose its hold on us when the news media and politicians tried to lynch those boys down at Duke University Lacross Team in the media...before anything went to trial.
The whole race issue among thinking Americans began quickly to get very wolfie...especailly when the politicial parties still tried to use/misuse it on
Americans...for votes.
Anything these politicians dont like or approve is racist...you can see it coming miles and miles away..it is the best they have. This is why it is wolfie. The king is naked..the king has on no clothes.

I can easily tell you one right which has been taken away from Americans...

The right to contract and obligate to specific performance...Make their own contracts. This has just been altered and violated big time.

One need not be rocket material to know this..

You are a racist and need to grow up as well.

Orangetom



posted on Apr, 27 2010 @ 01:12 AM
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Originally posted by kozmo
...........
The Brown Shirts aren't coming, they are already here - we call them "Progressives"!


But still there are Americans who back the "Progressives"... Those of us who have experienced Socialist dictatorships in the past have been trying to warn against this.

Progressive is just another word for "Socialist dictator", and all the bills that this administration is passing, and trying to pass proves this to be so.

Yes, there are also corporations involved in this, but if you look at the history of every Socialist dictatorship the state, and the corporations always merge.

It feels like I am reliving the nightmare that my family and escaped from in Communist Cuba....

I never thought for my life that Americans would so willingly accept Socialism when Socialism aims at "destroying individuality for the good of the whole".... Once the individual doesn't have rights, then the whole doesn't have rights and is instead oppressed by the government in power...

Janet Napolitano should be fired from her job for her "rightwing extremism" diatribe, and the Progressives should lose their jobs alongside every other government official that is selling, and giving up the Republic of the United States.



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