Security Brief: Radical Islamic Web site takes on 'South Park'

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no need for a recorder. just watch them online. you can get to it via comedycentral.com.

I think they post the newest episode the day after they air. But you can find all of them on there.

It is the best show i have ever seen when it comes to social commentary. Stinging commentaries on our various societies. The way it exposes the common stupidity in the average american mindset is outstanding. the collective insanity of humanity is something that i am amused by.

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
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no need for a recorder. just watch them online. you can get to it via comedycentral.com.

I think they post the newest episode the day after they air. But you can find all of them on there.

thankyou! been short on bandwidth but am changing companies. Australia is renound for it's crappy internet service.

It is the best show i have ever seen when it comes to social commentary. Stinging commentaries on our various societies. The way it exposes the common stupidity in the average american mindset is outstanding. the collective insanity of humanity is something that i am amused by.

Thats the upside of human stupidity.. endless fodder for south park episodes.

[edit on 21-4-2010 by riley]

Originally posted by areyosicker
reply to post by Gentill Abdulla

 

What part of the episode did you find insensitive, if you don't mind me asking.

you seriously didn't just ask that did you?

Originally posted by Gentill Abdulla

Originally posted by areyosicker
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Would it have been better if they just had artist draw Mohammad? Or was the simple fact that they even brought up the prophet made the situation insensitive?

It was okay that they censored Mohammad. It actually shows that they respect him a lot for it.

It especially shows it to all the other people who have seen other South Park episodes, because South Park didn't go as hard on Mohammad as they went on other people.

Do you realize what you just said and did here? You dismissed all other religions. You don't see that as a problem and bigoted? You are clearly saying Muslims are superior and pretending that the South Park writers gave Mohammad special treatment.

"It actually shows that they respect him a lot for it"???????????? Since this is all over the news you must by now know the opposite is true. They did it to enrage radical Muslims to make a point. Now their lives are in danger.

This definitely shows the dark side of man and religion. We will only be enlightened when we realize that we are all truly equal. That Mohammad was a man no better than any other man. As long as any man including Mohammad is held out to be divine or superior, we are all a bunch of neanderthals.

That form of humor is called satire. It is not meant to be disrespectful but to poke fun at us and our insanity.

Westergaard had a radical nut break into his home to kill him. Danish Embassies were attacked and dozens killed in riots. Now the South Park people are threatened with having their heads cut off.

When is the last time anyone had their head cut off for satirizing Jesus?

What you did not do, is condemn these crazy loons in no uncertain terms. We know that most Muslims are good people. You should be the first to step forward on this and defend the South Park people however. If not? Sitting on the fence speaks volumes.

THIS is what was done to Theo Van Gogh.

At approximately 8:45 a.m. on November 2, 2004, an unknown assailant dressed in a traditional Moroccan "djelleba," brutally attacked Theo outside of a city council building as he bicycled to work in central Amsterdam. The attacker shot Theo Van Gogh and stabbed him repeatedly in the chest, callously disregarding his victim's pleas for mercy. Despite his life-threatening injuries, Theo was able to gain enough momentum to stumble to the other side of the street but by the time he made his way across, his attacker shot and stabbed him again. He then slit Theo's throat with a butcher knife as onlookers gasped in sheer horror.

The South Park people are threatened with the same.

I watched the episode and I do not understand why they were so offended. They did not actually show a picture of Muhammed so why be so angry? I have never met a Muslim before but I doubt these people represent the hard working Muslim.

Originally posted by Gentill Abdulla

Those radicals need to calm down. I myself am Muslim. I saw that episode of South park. Though it did contain some stuff that I found insensitive I don't think it was that offensive. I mean seriously, it's just a t.v. show!

I hear you, loud and clear. When South Park, and Family guy depicted Jesus nobody said a thing about it, but mention something Muslim and the radicals go crazy. Today I was watching about this on CNN, and they had the cleric on there, and he said something like that Allah commanded him, and other Muslims, to bring terror to non believers. I have read the Koran, and saw nothing in there to suggest this. so how about it, Gentill Abdulla, what do you think about this? By the way, welcome to the board. I am Wiccan myself, but hold not one thing against anyone else for their religious belief.

Originally posted by autowrench

Originally posted by Gentill Abdulla

Those radicals need to calm down. I myself am Muslim. I saw that episode of South park. Though it did contain some stuff that I found insensitive I don't think it was that offensive. I mean seriously, it's just a t.v. show!

I hear you, loud and clear. When South Park, and Family guy depicted Jesus nobody said a thing about it, but mention something Muslim and the radicals go crazy. Today I was watching about this on CNN, and they had the cleric on there, and he said something like that Allah commanded him, and other Muslims, to bring terror to non believers. I have read the Koran, and saw nothing in there to suggest this. so how about it, Gentill Abdulla, what do you think about this? By the way, welcome to the board. I am Wiccan myself, but hold not one thing against anyone else for their religious belief.

The reason, to those of you who don't know, that Muhammad (PBUH) is not allowed to be depicted is because that it was told by Allah that nothing should show the face of Muhammad (PBUH).

Muhammad (PBUH) is a symbol of peace in Islam. Therefore just by depicting him you might have some arguments about his face, his skin, color, etc.

The radicals have their own interpretation of the Qur'an. Let me assure you that this is not the actual meaning of the Qur'an. They have twisted Allah's words to be free of all guilt that they may possess. Again it's based on interpretation of the Qur'an.

So by depicting the prophet you go about saying that our god and whole religion is wrong. That is mostly why most radicals, and some of us normal Muslims, get angry when Muhammad (PBUH) is depicted.

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Saying that, it is severely against their religion to make an image of ANY of the prophets, and mocking them is grounds for imprisonment in many countries. Muslims don't make fun of Jesus, because Jesus is considered to be a prophet of Islam.

Then why don't Muslims get just as upset when Jesus is portrayed in a bad light, or even at all for that matter?

Originally posted by Gentill Abdulla
So by depicting the prophet you go about saying that our god and whole religion is wrong. That is mostly why most radicals, and some of us normal Muslims, get angry when Muhammad (PBUH) is depicted.

Has no one pointed out to them the fallacy in their logic? Internally, is there no one that can present a debate that makes it as evident to me that it is ridiculously illogical?

I mean, if Muhammed is the prophet of peace, and that is why you cannot show his image, then is it not mind numbingly illogical to want to kill people for showing him? It is what really angers the non-muslims: the fact that simple logic is completely missed by these people.

As well, has no one brought up that having to pick a fight over every percieved slight just makes it appear as though they are completely insecure in their belief?

Honestly, i don't want to think poorly of anyone, but missing such glaringly obvious bits of logic does help bolster the idea of the backwards savage that is promoted in the media.

They are human...so what has poisoned their mind to such a degree that they are seemingly incapable of common human logic?

I know several Muslims in America (my boss is Moroccan). I see none of this in the people i know. So what is it?

Originally posted by PsyOpCyclops
You should know that Muslims don't "worship" Muhammad at all. He was a messenger and prophet, just like Jesus, Moses, Abraham, and many others.

Muslims worship Allah, and only pray to Allah.

Christians are the only ones that worship a human.

Jesus was more than human, he was divine. muhammad was a messenger of the devil. Galatians 1:8 and 1 John 2:22 warn of what he 'preached.' Even muhammad himself said that he thought the being that came into the cave to start the whole islam thing was an evil spirit. His gut instinct was right, which is probably the last time he was correct about anything.

If you don't want to deal with it, don't piss them off.

[edit on 19-4-2010 by PsyOpCyclops]

Maybe if we were in Saudi Arabia, but we are not, we are in the west. We make fun of everything. If they don't want to be pissed off, don't live in the west and take in western culture. Most muslims are good people and great adherents to their religion, I wish most Christians would adhere to their religion like muslims adhere to islam. However, islam is flawed and from the devil so in a country with the Right to free speech, make fun of everything, including muhammad.

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Lt. Col Alan West put it best when he said, "Tolerance cannot be a one way street".

This all boils down to cowardice. Our leaders are too cowardly to take a stand on anything. They try to play it off as being "sensitive". Like i always say, that white patch on the top of chicken poop may look different, but it is still chicken poop.

We search people before getting on planes because Muslims like to blow them up. One would think that we would be smart and apply trend analysis to the situation and improve our success rate, right? Nope...that is called "profiling", and our leaders are too cowardly to take a stand. So, instead we search old women and portly business men from Idaho.

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Have you noticed how much grief Christians go through? You sound pretty sensible to me.

Jesus is represented with feces all over him and any other disrespectful thing you can think of and yet I've never seen a Christian do anything other than try to influence the bigot who does it to please stop the hate.

I think the difference is the basic concept of turning the other cheek. It does not mean be a wimp. It means be the better man. Going into a rage and cutting off a persons head is childlike behavior under the best circumstances. Insanity to be honest.

I think its up to the Muslim community to step up to the plate and do something about this. Non-Muslims can't influence anything except by example. How do we influence for the better kids who are taught from birth to hate us and we are Satan? Muslims have to do it. The goal of taking over the world will never lead to peace. Only freedom to practice any faith you wish leads to freedom from violence and hate.

Reasonable people far outnumber the radicals so its the reasonable peoples duty to act to stop the hate and violence. Hate will never go away entirely, but it can be brought under control. Look how far we have progressed in a short couple of hundred years. Blacks went from Slaves to President.

Of course the leaders know the truth. They use hate as a tool to control people. As long as people are running around killing each other for no good reason, while in a rage, they won't smarten up and question their evil leaders.

1,400 years of trying to take over the world and force a religion on people has to end sometime and it won't end good I'm afraid.

I have a close friend who is Muslim. He won't ever go back to the Middle East. He says "they are crazy over there". He has been here since his family was slaughtered by Saddam's son in Kuwait. He is wonderful, kind gentile man. It always brings me almost to tears every time I think about what it must have been like for him having his whole family slaughtered.

I can't imagine living in a place where people are slaughtering each other over religious arguments and not saying, enough is enough and rising up in mass to end the fanaticism. The only way I can see that continuing is if the people are in fact brainwashed to the point no common sense is left.

What kind of an insane culture would stone a woman to death for being raped? What kind of insane culture would deny their own daughters and education? That Sharia Law is evil. It is the Great Satan. The real Great Satan.

To do good is Godly. To do evil is insane. When I think of what kind of insanity would lead a person to strap a bomb to their own child to go and blow up members of their own religion, I hit a mental roadblock. I can't imagine such cruelty coming from anything but evil.

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Come on. You are not acting Christian if you think you are. Your spewing hate.

We worship the same God. Don't you get that? Stop the hate. Stop teaching children to hate by planting that in their heads.

Muslims respect Jesus. You need to pick up your Bible and pay attention to the lessons Jesus taught us about how to act. Be an example, not a spreader of hate.

This is a two way street here.

Even though I have not said it yet, South Park was wrong to do that. That does not excuse the threats however. The South Park writers are children in adults bodies. I would never let a child watch that obscene nonsense. Would you?

Originally posted by Blaine91555
Even though I have not said it yet, South Park was wrong to do that. That does not excuse the threats however. The South Park writers are children in adults bodies. I would never let a child watch that obscene nonsense. Would you?

Yup, i sure would.

Have you watched it? I understand that some people just have different sensibilities than myself and my progeny...but i cannot image that if you had watched it you wouldn't see the value in the social commentary.

Of course they are "edgey". that is just what they are. But it isn't obscenity for the sake of obscenity. There are very astute observations on humans and culture contained in there.

I have a 12 year old that loves the show. He also volunteers his time at the local VA hospital, just talking and listening to the vets. And he is a member of a school citizenship group. I teach my son to be strong willed, strong minded, and clear in his convictions. Right and wrong are his guideposts, and he has a very clear sense of moral direction.

i allow him to grow on his own, to decide things on his own. I have an exceptional relationship with him, and wield enormous control over him. Except my control is only in conditioning his behavior to not be obtrusive on others. Otherwise, i expect him to allow his mind to experience all viewpoints without prejudice.

The only limits i put on what he watches is when it deals with sexually graphic material. He doesn't need to watch porn. Other than that, the world is meant to be experienced.

He has my mind. A near perfect clone of my mind.

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan


Has no one pointed out to them the fallacy in their logic? Internally, is there no one that can present a debate that makes it as evident to me that it is ridiculously illogical?

I mean, if Muhammed is the prophet of peace, and that is why you cannot show his image, then is it not mind numbingly illogical to want to kill people for showing him?

As well, has no one brought up that having to pick a fight over every percieved slight just makes it appear as though they are completely insecure in their belief?

They are human...so what has poisoned their mind to such a degree that they are seemingly incapable of common human logic?
this in the people i know. So what is it?

1. It was ordered by Allah that nothing should depict Muhammed's image, as I said in my previous post, there would probably be a riot over his skin color, face, hair, and etc.

2. The radicals are like that because they think it's their own interpretation of the Qur'an. This however is not what the Qur'an means. They probably have done so just to be lifted free from the guilt that they had.

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Again it wasn't Muhammed (PBUH) that was divine, it was Allah's order that he cannot be depicted. We do not believe Muhammed (PBUH) to be divine, the reason Muslims don't like Muhammed (PBUH) being portrayed is that it was ordered by Allah.

Originally posted by Gentill Abdulla
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Again it wasn't Muhammed (PBUH) that was divine, it was Allah's order that he cannot be depicted. We do not believe Muhammed (PBUH) to be divine, the reason Muslims don't like Muhammed (PBUH) being portrayed is that it was ordered by Allah.

Can you please explain then why it is not included in the Quran? The passages referring to illustrations are in the Hadith, which is not the word of God. So, really it isn't a command of God. Even the Hadith says depictions of any living thing, that it can be done in respectful ways occassionally but that it is better to not depict any living thing.

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"When a man makes a beast of himself, he gets rid of the pain of being a man."

Does Allah command that all people be converted to Islam? I don't understand how what Allah commands a Muslim has anything to do with the actions of a non-Muslim. I don't see Jews or Muslims rioting int he streets every time i eat a pulled pork sandwich.

Like i asked, has no one pointed out the logical fallacy that they are held captive by? You would think that if a "peaceful Muslim" loved Islam, and hated seeing it bastardized, that there would be some frank internal dialogue.

The problem is not a Christian, or Jewish, or Hindu problem. It is a problem with Islam. At what point do you not take your Islamic brother aside and have that frank conversation with him about how his actions are poisoning the world?

I presume that most Muslims who claim to be peaceful do not like seeing their lands under attack. I know I don't, as a Buddhist. I abhor it. But if I, or any Christian tries to intervene there is war and death. Why do the peaceful Muslims not do something about it?

Wahabbism dates back to the Ottoman times, so this isn't a new problem. 100 years ago this should have been squashed. Why was it allowed to fester? Look at the shape the world is in today.