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Originally posted by seagull
reply to post by Damian-007
You're a Moderator..
I hope you know that will not make a difference?
I love a good argument, too...
Originally posted by XyZeR
clearly a case of seeing what you want?
That goes both ways m8
I'm terribly sorry but.... The US military disagrees. From Salon:
According to U.S. officials, the pilots arrived at the scene to find a group of men approaching the fight with what looked to be AK-47s slung over their shoulders and at least one rocket-propelled grenade.
A military investigation later concluded that what was thought to be an RPG was really a long-range photography lens; likewise, the camera looked like an AK-47.
Facebook.com has blocked outgoing links to collateralmurder.org (but not as yet,.com)
Originally posted by burdman30ott6
Alright, the last several pages of this thread are providing a classic example of the ridiculousness of non-soldiers attempting to analyze the actions of soldiers in a theater of battle.
I'm seeing comments like:
"If you slow the video down, you can see..."
"If you magnify the video, it becomes apparent..."
"If you pause the video here, then clearly..."
We are enjoying the luxury of reviewing a video at our leisure, no risk of being blown out of the sky, no concerns of having a handfull of steel jackets turn our skull into a cheese grater, and no worries over having to hear the pilot say that the fuel line has just been hit, brace for crash. HINDSIGHT IS ALWAYS 20/20. There is a reason for that... in hindsight, you can overanalyze to your heart's content, but in real time you have to make snap judgements and therein lies a little thing called risk. Hell, I was writing this video off to begin with when I thought it was plausible that the troops realized there was a likelihood that they were firing on civilians. Now I'm thinking I made an error in judgement on that and the soldiers had absolutely no reason not to believe they were firing on combatants.
If you have to drastically alter the magnification and play speed on a video to make the reality of the situation visible and plausible to the viewer, then it is completely inappropriate to expect anyone making a snap call in real time to see what you're seeing. Again, IT'S WAR. Would you expect the soldiers jump on a PA system if there's any ambiguity and say "Uhm, we're not sure what you're carrying down there. Mind holding it up so we can see it clearly and then stand there while we analyze what we've seen as if we were browsing the footage on the internet? Thank you!" Another question, would you rather they had erred on the side of caution, made a mistake, and then been killed themselves?
Originally posted by ModernAcademia
Poor guy, it's a shame he had to say allah akbar in the beggining