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I am capable of what every other human is capable of. This is one of the great lessons of war and life."
Originally posted by MikeboydUS
I didn't see any violations of rules of engagement here.
On the other this is identical to various incidents of friendly fire.
There are lessons to be learned from this.
1.Apache pilots need more visual testing and better optics on the gunships.
2. The Pentagon needs to be blunt when this or friendly fire happens. Thorough investigations need to be done and findings need be upfront.
These kinds of incidents and friendly fire need to be eliminated. Better training and better equipment will help with this.
Originally posted by DreamerOracle
I've not looked through all the thread but just wondered.....I've watched the film heres a few questions with pictures....
What were the press doing?
Secondly I noticed the group the reporters were with an Armed group....
and there is an RPG being heeld by the Armed group behind the reporters
So my question is what were they up to?
I don't condone impulsive acts that cause harm, when they could of informed ground units to take them from the ground if they turned out to be hostile but question still remains .......what were the press doing with a armed group of civillians?
[edit on 6-4-2010 by DreamerOracle]
Originally posted by seagull
reply to post by Damian-007
I'm not disagreeing with you. Read my posts here, you'll see that...
As for my "almost wishing"? Let me see if I can put my thoughts into the proper wording...
Had that been an RPG, rather than a camera, the guys in the chopper, depending upon how far away they were, could have been in danger of being shot at. So they'd have been ok to shoot. As for the follow up, no. That's not on... and I'm in no way excusing that, or attempting to. That's what I was trying to get across...
As it turns out? It wasn't an RPG, it was a camera.
Now is where the investigation must start. Accident, or no? We don't have all the evidence, just this video.
Originally posted by LeaderOfProgress
Your RPG is a tripod. The man carrying what "could be an AK" could very well be armed private escort. We have the technology to prevent such occurances but yet we do not use it. Why do you defend these actions? There is no reason to fire on the van. Why did that occur? If I drove by somewhere and saw some one injured I would help them as well. Am I now a combatant? Suppose next time I stop on the highway when there is an accident I should start looking up for gunships?
Originally posted by racerzeke
Yes look for gunships on the freeway in California. Dont be silly.
Whether the guy who stopped knew what had just happened is up for debate, but if he did would you stop and help people who you just saw get mowed down like that? I know it goes against all human emotions... but it still isnt smart.
Why did they fire on the van? Was the van marked?
The pilots truly believed those guys were combatants and that they were picking them up and taking their weapons away. When the ground troops got there there would have been nothing left. I think it was in their best interests to try to preserve the scene as it was.