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reply posted on 4-4-2010 @ 11:12 PM by Phage
reply to post by Tom_Proctor

HAARP does not create ELF frequencies by "mixing" HF frequencies with lower frequencies. HAARP produces ELF radiation in the ionosphere by using the IRI to manipulate the electrojet. It can only do this when ionospheric conditions permit and it is a very low strength signal, in the neighborhood of 20-30 watts. ELF radiation has a wavelength of thousands of miles, it cannot be aimed very well.

Electromagnetic radiation cannot cause the ground to vibrate. The use of ELF in Magnetotellurics for subsurface exploration is possible but it does not cause earth to vibrate.


reply posted on 4-4-2010 @ 11:13 PM by Damian-007
reply to post by Tom_Proctor


Hi, Tom.
You said:

HAARP can cause ELF frequencies, and I know for a fact it can be done by transmitting higher frequencies and mixing them together with a lower frequency below it.


If you do mix two frequencies together you create a whole host of other frequencies as well. I think they're called Harmonics. Correct me if I'm wrong. So wouldn't the Harmonics of the two frequencies create Problems?

I aslo thought they way they found oil, even using HAARP is to bounce radio waves off or have the Radiowaves absorbed by the actual oil.

Everything Absorbs, resonates and reflects radiowaves. it's just a matter of finding the right frequency to do it.

I could be wrong..

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reply posted on 4-4-2010 @ 11:17 PM by Tom_Proctor
Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Tom_Proctor

HAARP does not create ELF frequencies by "mixing" HF frequencies with lower frequencies. HAARP produces ELF radiation in the ionosphere by using the IRI to manipulate the electrojet. It can only do this when ionospheric conditions permit and it is a very low strength signal, in the neighborhood of 20-30 watts. ELF radiation has a wavelength of thousands of miles, it cannot be aimed very well.

Electromagnetic radiation cannot cause the ground to vibrate. The use of ELF in Magnetotellurics for subsurface exploration is possible but it does not cause earth to vibrate.


Thanks for the information

What I see in the waterfall is them mixing. You can mix to make the difference of those frequencies an extremely low frequency. And in that sense, taking what you said about it being 20-30 watts with ELF, they could use an extremely powerful signal at 7.4Mhz and send out extremely powerful signals at very low frequencies.

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reply posted on 4-4-2010 @ 11:26 PM by Bedlam
Originally posted by Smell The Roses

"HAARP sends controlled and tuned bursts or streams of high frequency (HF) radio energy at Earth's ionosphere. The enormous amount of energy added to the ionosphere creates a tuned vibration which then is directed around the globe on the jet-streams. Where ever this enormous vibration ends up it creates extremely low frequency (ELF) waves which travel down to the earth."


Well, whoever told you that one? Cross 'em off your list. It's pure bunk. Absolutely wrong. Typical confusion of radio and sound. Typical, that is, for an uneducated layman.



Using this method, HAARP is capable of extremely deep earth tomography: basically "x-raying" the earth. That much is not controversial. Well, what if they tune it to resonate with the geological features of a fault line, causing a violent vibration, which then causes the fault to give way? I'm not alone in believing this is entirely possible. It makes perfect sense.


It makes perfect sense if you don't have a clue, I guess. First off, it's not "x-raying the earth". In that mode, the goal is to provoke some ELF waves out of the electrojet. Those give you a teeninesy (technical term) ripple in the local magnetic field, at least in the areas where you can reach it from the auroral electrojet. You plant an array of microelectrometer probes over the place you want to map, and you have to have an extremely sensitive magnetometer to generate you a reference. That allows you to map magnetotelluric currents, which are pretty slim, and with that you can develop sort of an image, but you really have to have some kickass equipment and a lot of DSP power to pull the data out of the noise.

You can also do the same thing by waiting for a thunderstorm, or sunrise. HAARP just lets you do it on a schedule.

Now, you or your source, not sure of the quote origin, is still confusing sound with magnetic waves, as far as I can tell. There's nothing there to "tune to resonance", and on top of which, resonance only matters when you've got a really good Q, which you don't. Resonance is only magic with Teslaphiles. BTW, you DO know that he recanted his resonator story, right?


Make of it what you will...this information is spread around pretty widely at this point.


That's because it's all wrong. The real stuff isn't nearly as interesting.


reply posted on 4-4-2010 @ 11:32 PM by Smell The Roses
reply to post by Bedlam


Okay what about this...Is this all wrong too?

Environmental Tampering

1935 Nikola Tesla Earthquake Experiments

1950s Project Plowshare ?Canal Digging

1957 Russia The PLESETSK Cosmodrome is commissioned

1957 Oct 4th Sputnik Sputnik I was a 184 pound ball launched by an SS-6 ICBM by Russia at 9:36 P.M. on October 4, 1957

1958 Project Argus Explosion of three Nuclear Bombs in the Van Allen Belt

1960 January Kruschev Announced the development of a fantastic Soviet
weapon

1962 Project Starfish A large nuclear device was exploded at 250 miles altitude that trapped new electrons in the magnetosphere

1963 April 10th USS Thresher EMP Weaponry used to sink Thresher

1963 Project Westford Millions of copper filaments were launched into high orbit

1964 Satellite A US satellite burned up over the Indian Ocean releasing toxic plutonium in the upper atmosphere

1966 Operation POP EYE Rainmaking

1966 June 17th Soviet Union Intense spherical ball of light of enormous size reported by airline pilots

1967-72 Weather Cloud Seeding over North Vietnam, South Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos

1967-1971 Project
Intermediary-Compatriot Cloud Seeding
Project Cirrus Hurricane Manipulation
Project Stormfury Hurricane Manipulation

1970 Book "Prophecy" The 1970 book, BETWEEN TWO AGES, by Zbigniew Brzezinski stated: "Technology will make available, to the leaders of major nations, techniques for conducting secret warfare, of which only a bare minimum of the security forces need be appraised... TECHNIQUES OF WEATHER MODIFICATION COULD BE EMPLOYED TO PRODUCE PROLONGED PERIODS OF DROUGHT OR STORM,"

1971 US/Soviet Joint project The United States and the Soviet Union began secret cooperation on world weather-engineering in 1971. The next year, US and Soviet scientific teams conducted research in the Bering Sea. The second project was POLEX, the Polar Experiment of the Global Atmospheric Research Program. In 1973, both nations secretly cooperated on AIDJEX, the Arctic Ice Dynamics Joint Experiment...

1972 Technology Ultraviolet Laser Cannon development to punch holes in the Ozone Layer
1970s Stupidity Chemical-reagent bombardment to damage the Ozone Layer

1970s Semipalatinsk Facility for the testing of charged-particle beams
Project PRIME ARGUS Earthquake Production
Project Skyfire Lightning

1972 Project Sanguine MegaWatts of VLF Radio

1970s Project Nile Blue Computer Modelling of Climate [ILLIAC IV]

1974 USSR/USA Joint USSR/USA joint Arctic project

1974 Project SIPAPU The Army also began a separate program to demonstrate the production of high-current ion beams.

1974 Project Chair Heritage Navy EM technology "catch up" for USA

1975 Oct-Dec Satellites destroyed The Soviets destroyed at least five U.S. satellites over the Indian Ocean.

1976 Mar 30th Sonic Boom A huge unexplained boom occurred over the Netherlands. Probable Soviet scalar howitzer test.

1976 July 4th Woodpecker Russian Woodpecker signals commence

1976 July 28th Tangshan, China Major Earthquake at 3.42 AM preceded by the sky lighting up as Tesla predicted

1976 Sep 10th EM test European Airways Flight 831, Moscow to London, saw a huge blinding ball of light below them. Pilot contacted Soviets, was told to not ask questions. This was probably a test to measure the British reaction and to determine if the British knew what it was.

1977 June 21st New York Times A 40-ton magnet had been shipped to a group of scientists in the Soviet Union. The device could be used to generate a magnetic field 250,000 times stronger than that of planet Earth.

1977 Cosmospheres Launch of first generation Cosmospheres

1977 Sep 17th Battle of the Harvest Moon Russia began destroying US spy satellites using "killer satellites."

1977 Sep 20th Satellite downed Russians blasted an American Spy Satellite into a huge fireball in space as it passed over the Petrozvodsk Observatory in northern Russia."

1977 Sep 26th Intercosmos 17 launched The *Encyclopedia Brittanica* says its purpose was for "international scientific research in "charged particles"

1977 Sep 27th Battle of the Harvest Moon Russia destroyed the US SECRET MOON BASE.

1977 Sep 29th Salyut 6 launched Russia launched the Salyut 6 manned space station into orbit.

1977 Oct Moon Bases Russian outpost achieved with seven manned long-range particle beam installations on the near side and at least one large base on the far side.

1977 Oct Skylab downed A newly operational Russian Cosmos Interceptor
shot down Skylab, along with its crew of five American astronauts secretly aboard, died in a giant fireball over the United States.

1977 Dec Sonic Booms Mysterious unexplained booms began occurring off the U.S. coasts. This was, according to Bearden, Soviet weapon registration and calibration, and according to Beter was warnings to our government.

1978 Apr 2nd Time Loss 39 pilots in a race off Florida experience "time loss" on synchronized watches. Unexplained lights and lighted objects seen and tracked on radar over Florida.

1979 Sep 22nd Vela Flash Vela Satellites detect a "Nuclear" flash over the South Atlantic
1980s GWEN The nation wide Ground Wave Emergency Network is installed across America

Environmental Tampering


reply posted on 4-4-2010 @ 11:33 PM by Smell The Roses
reply to post by Bedlam


But wait there's more...

1981 Apr 12th Shuttle Columbia STS1 The Columbia was accidentally destroyed by 7 Super Heavy Cosmospheres

1981 May 6th Cosmosphere kill A military Boeing 707, designated EC-135N is shot down by a Cosmoshere Particle Beam
1981 May 26th Cosmosphere kill EA-6B Prowler is disabled by a Cosmopheres' Neutron Particle Beam Weapon whilst landing on the USS Nimitz, it was the Navy's worst flight-deck disaster since the early 1950s.

1981 Nov 12th Shuttle Columbia STS2 Supposedly carried Astronauts Joseph Engle and Richard Truly. In fact there were no human pilots aboard. It was shot down by Russian TU-144 jet airplanes using beam weapons, over the White Sea Finland.

1982 Jan 12th Cosmosphere downed A Cosmosphere over New Jersey is downed by the US with Infrared guided Laser

1982 Jan 13th Retaliation The next day, an Air Florida Boeing 737 jetliner Flight 90 with laser warfare specialists aboard was caused to crash in Washington, D.C.

1982 June 27th Shuttle Space Shuttle No. 4 was launched and the two solid rocket boosters separated and fell away from the Shuttle. Moments later a Jumbo Cosmosphere, which was pacing the Shuttle from a distance, fired two quick blasts at the falling boosters which were no longer visible on television.

The Cosmosphere's beam weapon blew a hole in the side of each $18,000,000 booster shell. An Air Force C-130 airplane was tracking the boosters and saw their parachutes open, but when the spent boosters hit the water they just kept right on sinking. Thanks to the holes which had been neatly blown into their sides - they certainly didn't float. Recovery teams watched helplessly as $36,000,000 worth of space hardware sank in several thousand feet of water.

Embarrassed NASA officials tried to explain away the loss of the two Shuttle boosters with the lie that the parachutes did not open (on both of them?). The odds are astronomical against the parachutes failing that way on TWO BOOSTERS, but they had no other excuse that they dared make public.



1982 July 9th Russian reprisal A Pan American World Airways Boeing 747 jet carrying 145 persons crashed in Kenner, LA, shortly after taking off from New Orleans, exploded, and plowed through four residential streets; the accident, which killed 153 persons including 8 on the ground, was the second worst air disaster in U.S. history involving a single plane.)

1982 July 15th Colorado flooding Northern Colorado was reeling from incredible rainstorms, the product of Russian weather modification. Dams in the area were straining to hold back the onslaught of water. Then a low-yield underwater mine was detonated at the base of the Lawn Lake Dam. The dam blew open, and the flood waters rampaged down the canyon and through the resort town of Estes Park. The government frantically tried to cover its tracks by saying they had been worried about that dam

1982 July 16th Russian warning United Airlines DC-10 took off from Boston bound for Los Angeles. Among the passengers of the big jet were certain key members of the Bolshevik ruling group here in America.

For a while the flight progressed without incident but as the jet flew westward at 39,000 feet a Russian Cosmosphere was stationing itself to intercept it. The Cosmosphere hovered several miles off to one side of the jet's flight path and a few hundred feet above it. The charged particle beam weapon of the Cosmosphere was aimed horizontally to fire a shot across the bow of the speeding DC-10.

As the jet approached, the Cosmosphere crew charged up the beam weapon for a maximum energy blast in a defocused mode. This produces a violent air blast like those heard that winter along America's East Coast and elsewhere. At precisely the right instant the Cosmosphere fired its shot across the bow of the oncoming DC-10.

The tremendous air blast just above the DC-10's altitude created a huge shock wave of downward-racing air. An instant later the DC-10 flew into it. Passengers later told reporters that they heard a big bang, then the whole plane shook as it was squashed downward as if by a giant hand. Everyone not wearing a seat belt was thrown to the ceiling, which is a long way on a DC-10. Many people were hurt, several seriously; then the episode was over as quickly as it had started.

The jet flew on to Los Angeles without further incident - but to certain individuals on the plane, the airborne shot across the bow was meant as a clear warning! It certainly meant something to the military and government personnel because they had been warned it would happen. It clearly said, "Halt now in your war plans or you will be destroyed."

1982 July 2nd Russian warning The first full-range test flight of the Army's new Pershing-2 missile took place at Cape Canaveral. The Pershing-2 is the nuclear missile which the Reagan Administration wanted to place in Europe where it could attack Russia. Europe would be used as a launching pad.

A few seconds after the Pershing-2 lifted off from Cape Canaveral it was bathed in neutron radiation from a Russian Cosmosphere high above. Remember, neutron radiation totally deranges all kinds of electronic equipment. As a result, the Pershing-2's guiding system went crazy.
The climbing missile flopped over on its side, then started cartwheeling through the lovely Florida skies. Seventeen seconds after lift-off, the Range Safety Officer pushed the self-destruct button and the missile blew up.

The Russian message to the Bolsheviks in the U.S. was very plain indeed. The plans to use missiles to help destroy Russia would not succeed. The attempt to do so would only rain destruction on America itself.

1982 Aug 24th Cosmosphere downed Another Cosmosphere was blasted out of the sky over the New York City vicinity, to be sure the New Jersey shot event could be duplicated.

1983 December Florida Severe freeze

1983 Aug 31st KAL007 Flight Shot down by Soviets near the Soviet Kamkchatka EM site

1984 April 9th Kuril Islands Mushroom cloud, no explosion, 60,000 feet high, 200 miles wide

1984 Scientific Report Experiments cause Earth rotation slowing

1985 January Florida Severe freeze

1985 April/May Soviet 27 Tesla Scalar Power Taps installed

1986 Chernobyl Russian Woodpecker feedback/malfunction

1987 Feb Ginga Satellite Detection of radiation from the Soviet Cosmos

1900 Satellite irradiating the Van Allen Belt

1989 Dec 9th Washington Post:

Bankers Goals World Bank President Barber Conable made a speech in Tokyo at a conference on "Global Environment". In that speech he revealed the long-range goals of the international bankers. He said that "while higher temperatures may cause a number of natural disasters, THEY MIGHT ALSO WARM COLD AND UNPRODUCTIVE LANDS IN THE NORTH INTO PRODUCTIVITY".


1990 Experiments cause Earth rotation slowing

1993 Project HAARP Commencement of HAARP Project at Gakona, Alaska
to inject 4.3 Gigawatts of RF into the Ionosphere

1993 Mar 28th West Australia EM explosion

1994 Jan 17th Los Angeles Major Earthquake at Northridge preceded by Sonic Booms and RF signals

1994 June 8th Bolivia Major Earthquake emanating from 600K below Bolivia, felt in North America

1994 Dec 14th HAARP Full wattage power-up test, many power blackouts reported in America.

1995 Apr 19th Oklahoma City Murrah Building exploded by EMP weaponry

1995 Jan 17th Kobe, Japan Major Earthquake EXACTLY 12 months after Northridge

1995 Oct 2nd2 Wind Scientists record 300 MPH winds for the first time

1996 July 17th TWA800 Flight TWA800 brought down by secret technology!

1996 HAARP Development of Earth-Penetrating Tomography

Environmental Tampering


reply posted on 4-4-2010 @ 11:36 PM by Smell The Roses
reply to post by Bedlam


Oh and some more...

1997 Nov 13th Wall Street Journal "KULA LUMPUR -- Malaysia's war on smog is about to get a new twist. The government wants to create man-made cyclones to scrub away the haze that has plagued Malaysia since July. 'We will use special technology to create an artificial cyclone to clean the air', said Datuk Law Hieng Ding, minister for science, technology and the environment. The plan calls for the use of new Russian technology to create cyclones -- the giant storms also known as typhoons and hurricanes -- to cause torrential rains, washing the smoke out of the air. The Malaysian cabinet and the finance minister have approved the plan, Datuk Law said. A Malaysian company, BioCure Sdn. Bhd., will sign a memorandum of understanding soon with a government-owned Russian party to produce the cyclone." "Datuk Law declined to disclose the size of the cyclone to be generated, or the mechanism. 'The details I don't have', he said. He did say, though, that the cyclone generated would be 'quite strong'. Datuk Law also declined to disclose the price of creating the cyclone. But, he said, Malaysia doesn't have to pay if the project doesn't work." This article is written by the prestigious Wall Street Journal, and it reports, very matter of factly, that Malaysia is ordering a cyclone just as someone might order some lawn furniture from a catalog! We also learned that the Russians have the capability of creating such a huge storm for a fee. Also unsaid, but inferred, is that this cyclone could be steered or controlled so that it would come close enough to Malaysia to clear away the haze that was bedeviling that nation, but not so close it would cause any damage.

1997 Contrails Polymers with RF mirroring capabilities exuded from US military planes as spec. in "Weather as a force multiplier"
1999 New research by Eastlund Thunderstorm Solar Power Satellite

1992 Oct 2nd Wall Street Journal Reported that a Russian company called "Elate Intelligent Technologies, Inc.," sells weather control equipment by using the advertising slogan, "Weather Made to Order". This motto is even on their business cards! The commercial Director of Elate, Igor Pirogoff, stated that "Elate is capable of fine-tuning the weather patterns over a 200 square mile area for as little as $200 U.S. per day". Is it just coincidence that this 200 square mile effective range is the same range as our new GWEN towers? We will be discussing what GWEN towers are and how they work. Suffice it to say that GWEN towers are apparently being used in conjunction with HAARP towers to shoot enormous bursts of energy into the atmosphere to control our weather.

Environmental Tampering


I like bookmarking, it helps a lot. So this is all bogus? Long run of research for those wanting to debunk...

I'll be looking forward to the replies on how this info is all false, made up, misunderstood, or simply as put by you Bedlam, confused by an uneducated layman...



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reply posted on 4-4-2010 @ 11:37 PM by Donny 4 million
Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Tom_Proctor

Interesting.
I wonder why there doesn't seem to be much interest on the internet about it. Seems like it would be creating quite a buzz if it was really unusual.



Hamms are not Haley Berry.
Want a bet it will be big news.

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reply posted on 4-4-2010 @ 11:41 PM by Bedlam
Originally posted by Smell The Roses

The Begich/ Manning book asks whether that knowledge will be used by war-oriented or biosphere-oriented scientists."


Too bad Begich and Manning are total idiots. You do know that old Nick's "doctorate" is a $400 sheepskin from an online homeopathy school in Sri Lanka, don't you?


"The military has had about twenty years to work on weather warfare methods, which it euphemistically calls weather modification. For example, rainmaking technology was taken for a few test rides in Vietnam. The U.S. Department of Defense sampled lightning and hurricane manipulation studies in Project Skyfire and Project Stormfury.


Typical Begich crap, you'll note he left out the part that these were cloud seeding and balloon/wire projects. No eeeevil HAARP waves.


And they looked at some complicated technologies that would give big effects. Angels Don't Play This HAARP cites an expert who says the military studied both lasers and chemicals which they figured could damage the ozone layer over an enemy.


Alvin Toffler. He writes 'what if' books on these sorts of things, but he's a shock futurist.


Looking at ways to cause earthquakes, as well as to detect them, was part of the project named Prime Argus, decades ago. The money for that came from the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA, now under the acronym ARPA.)


Prime Argus focused on using nukes to do this. Not radio waves. Another pseudo-truth from Begich.


In 1994 the Air Force revealed its Spacecast 2020 master plan which includes weather control. Scientists have experimented with weather control since the 1940's, but Spacecast 2020 noted that "using environmental modification techniques to destroy, damage or injure another state are prohibited." Having said that, the Air Force claimed that advances in technology "compels a reexamination of this sensitive and potentially risky topic."


It's not a "master plan", it's a senior project run out of Maxwell AFB's war college. It features input from ROTC cadets and Hollywood directors. It is interesting, but it's a "what might space warfare be like in 2020" study that has very wide acceptance of material included. You ought to read the preamble, where they'll tell you who wrote what and what the purpose was.

A master plan it's not.



Sorry but I don't think you got the whole HAARP thing covered, especially not when we have experts speaking out and saying differently... Any by experts I mean people with REAL knowledge, first hand...I really doubt you know the specifics of what this "machine" can do. This is pretty much one of the largest secrets, in terms of potential use and capabilities the government has...


If you're quoting Begich as an expert, you aren't up on what's real and what isn't, I'm afraid. There is very little that's accurate in any of Begich's material; he might be expert on writing dramatic fiction but not in the sciences.
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