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reply posted on 24-3-2010 @ 12:20 AM by K J Gunderson
Originally posted by nomorecruelty
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Leviticus: 18

22Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
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and should be put to death, I got that. I just wanted you to admit it since you so adamantly insisted that the bible did not condone murder. In fact, you insisted that all my quotes about murder were outright lies until you accidentally posted one from your version as well. That was when you changed your tune and said it was ok cuz God said so. That is what we call shifting the goal posts and it is a sign of someone full of doubt but too much pride to admit it.



reply posted on 24-3-2010 @ 12:21 AM by randyvs
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Hey Nomo! Kinda nose'in around through here. Actually I been observing
what's going on here awhile and this guy has certainly made his point so I think we should shut down allthe churches forget all this God stuff, you
know Jesus dying for us and the lot. You've been doing great IMO.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

, even the New Testament clearly states exactly the same thing in Jude 7 "Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example, in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire." Any sinner should always remember that the God who commands us to love our neighbour is the same God who will cast any and all unrepentant sinners into the "eternal fire". Here are more Bible quotes, Lev 18:22-23 "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination." Lev 20:13 "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death." 1 Cor 6:9 "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals" 1 Tim 1:9-10 "realizing the fact that (civil) law is not made for a righteous man, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers" Rom 1:26-27 "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error."



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reply posted on 24-3-2010 @ 12:23 AM by nomorecruelty
reply to post by K J Gunderson



I still say the "rape" and "against the will" is not what those verses are referring to.

As far as Exodus not containing anything about witches - if it does, it is beyond the verse number you gave me - because that is what I copied/pasted into the Bible Gateway search engine.

You are feisty tonight?

lol

On that note, I will offer to revisit this conversation tomorrow night - it is 1:30 am and I have to be up at 7 am -

Thank you for the debate - it kept me on my toes, that's for sure.




reply posted on 24-3-2010 @ 12:25 AM by nomorecruelty
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lol Hey ya Randy !

You just caught me on my way out - you can take over for me - maybe you can do better than I obviously have -



G'nite all



reply posted on 24-3-2010 @ 12:32 AM by K J Gunderson
Originally posted by randyvs
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post by nomorecruelty



Hey Nomo! Kinda nose'in around through here. Actually I been observing
what's going on here awhile and this guy has certainly made his point so I think we should shut down allthe churches forget all this God stuff, you
know Jesus dying for us and the lot. You've been doing great IMO.



Is that honestly what you think I am trying to say? I am starting to see why people with the strongest faith seem to have the most trouble understanding their own book. Perhaps if you read instead of getting over-exited about empty rhetoric, you might see that I have not once tried to make that point.


reply posted on 24-3-2010 @ 12:37 AM by K J Gunderson
Originally posted by nomorecruelty
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post by K J Gunderson



LOL you either have yourself confused or me confused.......



I have no idea what you are asking now - I am trying, I really
am.

But I cannot make sense of what you are asking/saying about this
verse regarding the "rape" and/or "against her will".

Those verses do not say, nor imply anything about 'rape' or 'against' anyone's
will.

Sorry if I'm missing something?



You are completely missing the fact that she has no say in the marriage. She is bound to be his wife simply because she did not already belong to someone else when HE decided to LAY with her.


reply posted on 24-3-2010 @ 12:40 AM by K J Gunderson
Originally posted by nomorecruelty
reply to
post by K J Gunderson



I still say the "rape" and "against the will" is not what those verses are referring to.

As far as Exodus not containing anything about witches - if it does, it is beyond the verse number you gave me - because that is what I copied/pasted into the Bible Gateway search engine.

You are feisty tonight?


I am always feisty.

You did indeed lie because you clearly stated that Exodus does not mention witches at all.

The only thing I had off was the verse number and by one. You said it does not mention it at all- at all!

Originally posted by nomorecruelty
Kill Witches

You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)
Exodus 22:17 (King James Version) 17If her father utterly refuse to give her unto him, he shall pay money according to the dowry of virgins.
When man rewrites God's Word, he tends to mess up even the order of it? The KJ Bible's Exodus doesn't mention witches.


I got my quote from KJ and it was only a verse off.



It does just one verse down from what you pasted. Thought you knew your bible?

lol

On that note, I will offer to revisit this conversation tomorrow night - it is 1:30 am and I have to be up at 7 am -

Thank you for the debate - it kept me on my toes, that's for sure.



Hope you had fun, I did. Nothing personal.

p.s. I friended you because "respected foe" always translate to animosity and I do certainly respect your effort, work, and conviction. I would not bother if you were not a challenge to say the least. The will probably not stop me from coming across as a jerk though so feel free to hate me anyway. Cheers.

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reply posted on 24-3-2010 @ 12:42 AM by randyvs
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Is that honestly what you think I am trying to say? I am starting to see why people with the strongest faith seem to have the most trouble understanding their own book. Perhaps if you read instead of getting over-exited about empty rhetoric, you might see that I have not once tried to make that point.

Negative. If that were the case the post would have been directed at you. I really don't believe you have that big an ego. I still don't quite understand what it is you are trying to shoe.

Something about not everyone is fully versed in their bible studies?


reply posted on 24-3-2010 @ 12:42 AM by LarryLove
reply to post by K J Gunderson



Hello, thought I'd jump straight in and ask if we could get back to the questions this post presents rather than lessons in scripture. I'm curious. Do you think there's a difference between a kid being groomed for preaching and one for beauty pageants? Are both acceptable?


reply posted on 24-3-2010 @ 12:43 AM by Mystery_Lady
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Why don't you thing nomorecruelty doesn't have any tolerance, and is judging others? I don't see that at all. Nomorecruelty has been extremely tolerant in this thread, which I probablly would have gotten fed up a long time ago. I see nomorecruelty as defending his/her beliefs, and trying to teach/correct those who are misunderstanding what the beliefs are.

To me if a child is old enough to make a decision to accept Jesus Christ and know fully well what they are doing, then I feel they are old enough to preach the word.

As far as Harry Potter goes, he is purely evil. I'll let someone much more experienced in these matters tell you why I believe they are so evil, if you wish to know. This is just about the first book that was written. The others get much worse. HARRY POTTER AND THE SORCERER'S STONE -- BOOK REVIEW

gtfo?? Hmmmm So you are swearing at nomorecruelty, and therefore judging. All I can do is pray you find Jesus before it is too late, and you find your self where you don't want to be after you depart from this world. I pray that you will never have proof through seeing or experiencing any of Satan's demons, and that God will show you other proof. I gained proof through personal experience the hard way, and wouldn't wish it on anyone else.


reply posted on 24-3-2010 @ 12:46 AM by K J Gunderson
Originally posted by randyvs
reply to
post by K J Gunderson





Is that honestly what you think I am trying to say? I am starting to see why people with the strongest faith seem to have the most trouble understanding their own book. Perhaps if you read instead of getting over-exited about empty rhetoric, you might see that I have not once tried to make that point.

Negative. If that were the case the post would have been directed at you. I really don't believe you have that big an ego. I still don't quite understand what it is you are trying to shoe.

Something about not everyone is fully versed in their bible studies?


Ok ok, my bad. You only said this guy and you were talking to the person that was basically only talking to me at the time so I took it the wrong way. My ego might be big but it is still not the case. All I was trying to point out was that...well...now I forget how it started anyway. LOL. I will have to look. I did not mean to derail.

I think the thread topic is most interesting, I just got caught up in something so I will get back to you.

Oh yea, ok.

Back on page one
originally posted by nomorecruelty
No where does the Bible condone rape - or murder - or abortion. MANKIND committed these sins, and the Bible has documented those incidents.......but if you read the Ten Commandments, you will see that none of those are "condoned" or mandated.


I simply pointed out that it actually did. Then it turned into a debate about whether or not it said it. NMC said my bible was wrong and it did not say these things at all. Then stoning showed up and it said some of these things but it made them ok with a GOJF card. Then there was the whole Exodus does not even mention witches so I was way off when in actuality the exact phrase is just a verse down in the KJ version that NMC said did not contain that and here we are.

Scary videos of them kids though huh?

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