The Patriotic States of America - Succeeding States

reply to post by bsbray11


So you're saying

"I sure hope someone with bigger cojones than me decides to subject himself to psychological repercussions!"

Originally posted by Solasis
You know, if you think that a state should secede... Why not join a secession movement instead of just talking about "I wish it would happen."

That requires effort and commitment, not going to happen.

They'd much rather talk as if there's some big secret underground movement brewing, just waiting to explode and storm DC at the slightest government indiscretion; it makes them feel more important and powerful than they actually are, sort of like what draws people to conspiracy theories, it makes them feel like they're privy to secret and forbidden knowledge.

Every time some new bill passes that doesn't tickle their fancy they try and convince everyone that it's the straw that broke the camels back and the next one will be civil war. That was about 574 straws ago, still waiting for the big revolt guys.

Originally posted by damwel
It is illegal for a State to seceed from the union.

However a State is encouraged to succeed

I believe this my friend is something a good old book of mine called doublethink. BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING AFTERALL!
-wearethedead

Should it ever come to secession it won't be just one state it will be many working in tandem. I would not be surprised to see the entire strip from Idaho to New Mexico and east to the Mississippi and leave California, Washington and Oregon to fend for themselves! No state legislature would try to do it single handed. Just my opinion!

Zindo

First off, it's easy to assume that certain "States" are so up in arms about Health Care Reform that they would look to separate themselves from the Federal Government. But it is important to remember that the States themselves are only made up of their population and no one population is entirely for or against health care reform, or Obama, or the wars, or the bailout, etc. Instead, there are actually people with a wider variety of concerns. Believe it or not, no matter how conservative your state might be, if you looked hard enough, there would still be someone on your block who supported "Obamacare."

Here, a look at the maps from the last two Presidential elections are illustrative: www-personal.umich.edu...
If you scroll down and look at the 6th and 7th maps (which represent the percentage of votes and the population corrected cartogram of percentage of votes) you'll see there are no true Red States and Blue States, but Red and Blue Counties which are made up a population with varying degrees of shades of purple.

Thus, I conclude that either a nationwide separatist movement, or especially, a secessionary movement within any one State, would find itself a fractured movement at best. It is easy to be riled up and angry at those things you perceive as wrong... and even easier so when you believe them to be unconstitutional, just keep in mind, there are likely those who will disagree.

I've always assumed "The big bad boogie man" is out there, but he's not dumb enough to be in the White House. He's the one pulling the strings on both sides. So, enjoy your contrived political fight, but remember nothing will come of this.

In six months we'll be talking about the next big thing - probably consumer credit protection reform - the Dems will say they're trying to protect the people from banks that are too big to fail, and the Pubs will say it's a socialist takeover of the banking/credit industry. Both sides will claim victory and raise money to keep themselves at the table of power. And the special interest and corporate overlords that profit from the system will tell you who to hate based on the color of your jersey - Red or Blue - pick a side, but we all lose!

Originally posted by AliBruh
I give it till the end of the year. At least one will seceed.

I'm rooting for Texas. As long as we root for our states, we'll all win.

I agree with ya, Texas should be one of them.
I think VA or TN or KY will be next.

Anybody else see WHERE this line is being drawn??
Deja-Vu anyone???

reply to post by boondock-saint


Because YOU are drawing it there.

Originally posted by Artephius Abraxas Helios
First off, it's easy to assume that certain "States" are so up in arms about Health Care Reform that they would look to separate themselves from the Federal Government.

why not??? They have already separated from us

But it is important to remember that the States themselves are only made up of their population and no one population is entirely for or against health care reform, or Obama, or the wars, or the bailout, etc. Instead, there are actually people with a wider variety of concerns. Believe it or not, no matter how conservative your state might be, if you looked hard enough, there would still be someone on your block who supported "Obamacare."

which is exactly the reason for succeeding. Death by a thousand
cuts is just as lethal as a bullet to the brain. Patriots are tired
of the tyranny, no matter what label is placed on it, Obamacare, 9/11,
Patriot Act, Illegal wars, wall street bank bailouts, fed reserve, north
american union, etc.... THOSE are the thousand cuts.
And it's not about Obama.

It's time to re-boot and succession severs that
regional umbilical cord. Succession is NOT what TPTB
wants .... cuz they lose their control over the masses.
In other words, succession changes the rules of engagement
in the states favor. And confusion and disorientation is
best served on a silver platter.

On behalf of the State of Florida and of the Attorneys General from South Carolina,
Nebraska, Texas, Utah, Pennsylvania, Washington, North Dakota, South Dakota and Alabama
if the President signs this bill into law, we will file a lawsuit to protect the rights and the interests
of American citizens.

see I wasn't far off.
there will be more !!!!
at least 37 by last count

first comes lawsuits
to see if congress recants, if not
well u know the rest

www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by boondock-saint

Originally posted by boondock-saint
why not??? They have already separated from us

As I stated before, the problem with your theory is in the pronoun "us." Who is represented by that "us"? You? Your family and friends? The people you see on your favorite news channel? You see, there is another whole HALF of the country that is not upset, and feels that the Federal Government has acted in their best interest, by voting for the reforms.

You do realize that the democratic members of congress who voted for the reform were voted into office by a majority of their constituents, right? Meaning they are from congressional districts that, at least in the last election, voted predominately Democratic. Thus, it was their duty to their constituents to vote for health care reform, as it has been a democratic hot button issue for decades. Surely you realize that you and those who think like you do not represent ALL Americans?

Certainly there are many who feel as betrayed as you do, and I can understand your anger, but what of the other half of America that feels relieved, because they honestly believe that health care costs will be coming down? There are many reasons to think that they will be proven correct, for example: as small employers are able to better negotiate with insurance companies in order to insure more employees, their costs will decrease; and making it illegal for an insurance company to deny coverage for pre-existing conditions will keep people from having to balk on their hospital bills forcing them into bankruptcy, which will also help the ease the burden on the rest of us who do pay our bills.

Regardless, I agree that there are many reasons one might disagree with the democrats on this and many other issues. But to simply say that the federal government has "separated" from us because it passed, by a majority of duly elected representatives, legislation with which one disagrees is not only naive, it borders on treasonous. Comments like this wreak of the type of "if your not with us your against us" rhetoric used by tyrants and terrorists. It implies that anyone who disagrees with your vitriolic dissent is somehow not only wrong, but un-American.

which is exactly the reason for succeeding. Death by a thousand cuts is just as lethal as a bullet to the brain. Patriots are tired of the tyranny, no matter what label is placed on it, Obamacare, 9/11, Patriot Act, Illegal wars, wall street bank bailouts, fed reserve, north american union, etc.... THOSE are the thousand cuts.
And it's not about Obama.

It's time to re-boot and succession severs that
regional umbilical cord. Succession is NOT what TPTB
wants .... cuz they lose their control over the masses.
In other words, succession changes the rules of engagement
in the states favor. And confusion and disorientation is
best served on a silver platter.

Again, you quote yourself as the patriot, and those with whom you disagree as the tyrant. But there are polls which would show otherwise. Polls can be manipulated, for example, if I were to ask 100 random people from my small town in Oklahoma if they approved of "Obamacare," I bet nearly 70 would say "Hell NO."

Yet, if I asked that same random group of folks if they thought there should be caps on premiums for individuals who pay out of pocket for their own insurance; if there should be rules against exclusions for pre-existing conditions; and if they think we should close the gap in medicare prescription aid for those over 65, I would guess nearly 70 percent would be for those things. It's all in the questions that are asked.

It's a big country out there and there's alot of people who don't agree with you, that doesn't give them carte blanche to call you out as un-American, any more than you have that right now.

Secondly, logic dictates that the very notion of secession (btw the word is SECESSION, not succession) requires a populace which is divided not only by party lines but by geographic boundaries as well. You cannot have a successful secession if you have a plurality of dissenters within the geographic bounds you wish to secede from the Union.

The civil war was able to be fought because there were homogeneous views in the Southern States on Federal governments infringements into their States rights. A look at the maps I provided earlier should show that this simply is no longer the case.

I wish you luck in dealing with your anger, but there will be no revolution of the people. For the people are divided, and as long as we play partisan politics, we are conquered as well

-Peace
AAH

reply to post by xstealth


well, the colonies had a fiat currency and the british counterfieted it =- called the "contential" and hence "not worth a contential" was coined.
that is why - gold and silver was the currency... hard to counterfiet,
but someone figured out how to lace tungstien cores with gold shells.

It simply isn't going to happen. These states can banter all they want but they in fact are just as guilty of corruption. While not as high of a scale they won't turn their backs on the federal grants. Most states are in huge deficits and can't afford to. A better question is, which residential neighborhoods are the most likely to secede?

Originally posted by Artephius Abraxas Helios
You do realize that the democratic members of congress who voted for the reform were voted into office by a majority of their constituents, right?

absolutely not
voting machines are rigged
let them vote by pen and paper
and a thumbprint
then I'll believe it.

another option is declaring land owned
as a sovereign entity and declaring
the Fed Gov laws do not pertain
to this entity.

Indian reservations do it
Amish do it

so can we
make our own mini-state
and govern ourselves.
I'm beginning to think
the Branch dividians
had a good idea.
at least they died
a free people.

[edit on 26-3-2010 by boondock-saint]