So has anybody figured out a way to actually fight this effectively yet? Besides guns and ammo?

Originally posted by Harassment101

If people want to expose this conspiracy, and that is what this is, then they can put their money where their mouth is and make sure this get's the play it deserves. Some talk conspiracy, very few actually expose conspiracies.

Well, sure I would like to expose it. But how?

As I'm sure you must know, the perps never admit to anything.

You might try to beat or torture a confession out of them, but any information you extract from a person that way is automatically suspect. Did they tell you the truth, or did they give you false information just to get you to stop hurting them?

Chris Penn had a great line in Reservoir Dogs that sums it up nicely:
"If you beat this prick long enough, he'll tell you who started the goddamn Chicago Fire, but that doesn't necessarily make it #### so!"

Sure we can post threads about it on websites and things, but most people just think the victims are delusional or paranoid.

What's your plan, H101?

John Lennon said it best. They yank your beard, get you all rilled up, and then when you fight back, they know how to handle that. They are ready and waiting for targets to lash out, then they can say, see this person really was violent and crazy. See this person really did belong in jail, or a mental home. See our system really works.

Sure if you bash one of these morons, they might back off for a bit, but I do not think that violence is the answer. If you want an immediate solution, I don't have one. It's a day in day out battle. Some days are better than others.

If you have the money seek out legal action, I know a lot of targets don't have the money. So the other idea is when out in public carry a camera. When at home you can take precautions with your property, and important belongings.

When inside there are things you can do about noise, and other issues, such as recording. Put signs on lawns, doors, backpacks. When they are exposed, they stop. Like bugs when you remove the rocks that they hide under.

I agree that fighting back is the solution, but I do not agree with violence. I think most targets realize that that is what they want, and if they get it they use it. It's no different than any other group in the past that was deliberately baited, by another group. The moment you act out, that is when they have you.

The other solution which is going to take longer is to make people aware of what is happening. Become advocates, work towards changing the laws. Change is happening, but it's slow.

Remember it's only recently that targets could point a finger and say hey it looks like this is what is behind Gang Stalking, now that information has to get out there, and I don't see a lot of targets doing that, so advocacy is needed. Not just from targets, but from others who understand that this is wrong. That's how things changed with the womens movement, civil rights, and other movements. They choose none violence, not cause they wanted to, but for the movements to survive and flourish, they had to.

So get out there, get the message out, if you are not doing that, then you are not really helping.

Originally posted by Harassment101
You want me to hold your hand, and find out about how programs work in your area, do I understand that correctly?

No, that is not what I said.

All I am trying to say is that the people who do this systematic harassment will never stop until the targets fight back and MAKE them stop.

Yes it's great that there are websites and resources for it now, but it's still not enough.

I am just about at the end of my rope here and I will not tolerate any more years of abuse. Why should I live a life of torture that I don't deserve?

But, you do whatever you want. Stand up and fight, or don't. It's your choice.

Nothing disrupts the patterns more than ignoring the harassment, buying them a bottle of rum and getting to know them.

Made quite a few friends that way...lost quite a few as well...

And in a nutshell...certainly, gang stalking is real. It is most effective when only a few real occurrences occur and the suggestion of such is established only to let the subject use his/her imagination to conjure the rest...

And exposing such a conspiracy takes time and the cooperation of more than just the subject...though something like this will likely forever be lost in favour of aliens and politics...which is a shame because the tech out there now capable of intruding upon a person's psyche is at a point where zero accountability is possible and the devastation (read - incredulity) of the subject is optimal.

The world is indeed a strange place and a part of me does envy those who are unaware of this...but I suppose I have taken the position that I would rather know...in time and not at the expense of the future. So time it is...

Originally posted by MemoryShock
And in a nutshell...certainly, gang stalking is real. It is most effective when only a few real occurrences occur and the suggestion of such is established only to let the subject use his/her imagination to conjure the rest...

Or, a whole LOT of real occurences

Nothing like being mobbed by a few hundred people in a big company to induce the PTSD.

Or finding out your cell phone's being monitored and they can send people to aggravate and intimidate you whenever they want.

Well, they'll get theirs one way or the other. I trust in Karma.....

All I can say is that violence is not the answer. Take down times and dates, and make sure you have your facts straight. Sometimes it can take years, but eventually you'll have enough information and hopefully a pattern will begin to emerge. Perseverance is the key.