What might really be happening in Washington State?

reply to post by westcoast


Hi westcoast. The link to that recorder brings up nothing. Not a problem for me as I already have it, and on the Quake Watch thread have discussed this particular section of the plot. This links to what I said about that. Basically there is a large amount of interference and the interference is definitely man made. Take a listen to the sound and you will see what I mean.

As to the rest? Well I will do my own investigations and get back to you on that but thanks for the post. [SF]

reply to post by Karlhungis


I read recently that the dead zone was the result of ocean currents that tend to switch over time, sometimes going south to north along the coast or vice versa. The exchange of water temperatures brings the top layer down or bottom up, depending on the current, either feeding or starving the floor of oxygen. Unusually, the dead zone in this case seems to have gotten as close as just a mile offshore.

There has also been an increase in jelly fish too up north, which can thrive in low oxygen waters. Squid too.

reply to post by TheBorg

I don't hear sounds so much as feel an ever-so-subtle vibration under my feet. It comes in waves, like a micro quake would. Yet, when I go to check to see if any quakes occurred, I find nothing. Other people I know feel them too, so I know I'm not alone in this

Do-do-do-do - are we picking up Tesla waves or HAARP? Don't know. Just throwing this out there as those 'vibrations' when listened to are very strange.

Look at that plot for yesterday
SMNR.UW..ENZ.2010.074

and today
SMNR.UW..ENZ.2010.075

Take a look at 6 days of the plots. I think this pretty much shows the 'noise' to be man made as it appears about in the same time bands each day.




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reply to post by westcoast


Very interesting thread. I have to say I have also witnessed “strange rumblings” (for lack of a better word) where I live in northeast Georgia, USA. Specifically, it was a dry, crystal clear, winter night. While I was getting ready for bed around 10 PM, I not only heard, but also felt a low rumbling – like thunder. I stopped in my tracks and thought what was that? I assumed it must have been a plane flying low or something. I continued getting ready, and then it happened again. I mean not only could I feel it, I could heard it. It was really weird. I quickly opened the door and looked outside and heard and saw nothing. My dog was just lying beside the house and looked up at me questioningly. I closed the door. When I finished getting ready for bed, I lay there with the TV on and it started again. Being still in bed actually allowed my whole body to feel it and I very much heard the low rumbling. So, I turned the TV off and just lay quietly still. It continued three more times - about five or so minutes apart and finally stopped. I told my better half about it the next day. My better half stays in the city twice a month so unfortunately I was the only one to experience it. Now I can understand this type of rumbling in the west, but why would it also be happening in the southeast? I realize I live on a small fault line and sometimes we have very small, minimal earthquakes, but nothing that should be compared to the west. I must say that after this occurred, we did decide to obtain earthquake insurance - just to be on the safe side. Star and flag.

What a great thread.

When I stared here on ATS it was because of St. Helens. She was making noise again, and there were excelent threads on here where we all discused it. Solar activity was the number one thing that we found to go hand in hand with it all. Another thing I noticed was that Rainier started rumbling the months prior to the first big quake (dec. 26 tsunami quake) then it began rumbling again every day - once again - getting more and more intense then that same area had another quake though not as bad it was an 8.?. After the qakes, Rainier went quiet immediatly. This fact also caught the eye of many scientists. That is when they started looking into the magma chabers. St. Helens as sill erupting so many wondered if it was connected to Rainier. That was when they found out that Rainier and a few others was on a totaly different chamber system than the rest of the cascades. They also found that there was a moving magma chamber heading north west under the united states. That was something that had a group of several scientists from all over the world researching. I never heard any more from that though.

Also, I remember at the time they were looking into all this, they were looking in the ocean off the coast of Washington and found a reef of glass sponges. This was amazing because they thought glass sponge reefs went extinct 100 million years ago. They said it was spectacular and housed an amazing amount of ocean life. Equaly amazing they found that the food source for this thriving ecosystem was methane gass that was seeping out of the ocean floor.....something else they didnt expect to find.

The one thing that I think was figured out through out this whole process was there are a lot more variables than any of us had anticipated.

Rumbling usually means pressure is building. That pressure is going to escape out of the weakest point. Has the rumblings stopped since the Chile quakes?

The one thing I am most curious about is: What is causing the pressure to build up? The sun has been quite explosive as well. So is the sun doing something that in turn causes pressure here? Or, is it that whatever is causing the pressure to build in our planet also causing pressure to build in the sun?

reply to post by mrsdudara


I've been doing my own research involving the sun and its consequent effects upon the Earth, but as of yet I don't have anything that screams "Eureka!!". I DO believe that you ARE on to something pretty big though. If you find any provable, uncontestable data PLEASE let me know! I'd be very excited!

Also, I live in North Oregon, and I have yet to feel anything about the "vibrations" th OP is mentioning. Is this adhered to strictly the western Washington region? (Mt Hood seems pretty quiet)

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reply to post by TrueAmerican


I like a mistery, especially when they can be solved. Would you post a map of station PBO - B941. I am not sure they are one in the same. Daily Activity at that station as well. - or are they one in the same?

Station location: en.wikipedia.org...

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Note last line in post: Tacoma Rail's freight line to Morton, Washington, runs through the town.

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Originally posted by traveler928
Thanks for this post. I'd never knew about the new volcano. I'm kinda new to this stuff so can someone tell me what 'HT' means?

Thanks!

I was wondering the same thing, maybe someone will be kind enough to answer us both.

I was wondering as well...

What's HT, please.

I've found high-titanium, high-temperature...

and if HT is not a commonly understood thing a small explanation would be really helpful!

HT, for the purposes of this discussion, refers to Harmonic Tremors. They are a specific type of lower level amplitude earthquake indicative of magma movement in volcanic regions, and have become a known potential precursor to volcanic eruptions.

They are characterized by real long, steady, and sometimes "beading" signatures on seismographs. Since we observed something that appeared similar at station SMNR, that is what this discussion is about. But it almost assuredly is not, and is man made activity, from further analysis by several people here on top of the issue, such as puterman and myself.

reply to post by TrueAmerican


Thank you for deciphering HT. I have been looking on Google for 10 minutes trying to find what the acronym stands for. On a side note, I wish peeps wouldn't use so many acronyms here...or at least define it the first time you use it...it believe that is in the T&C too.

On topic, interesting thoughts OP. with all the earthquake activity around the ring of fire lately, it would not surprise me at all if the magma was on the move.

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Originally posted by Anmarie96
I like a mistery, especially when they can be solved. Would you post a map of station PBO - B941. I am not sure they are one in the same. Daily Activity at that station as well. - or are they one in the same?

Here is PBO-B941:



The bright green square marks the station. And as you can see, this station also sits among a web of man made activity. Many people do not understand how insanely sensitive these instruments are. So all that stuff that close can and will register on these stations, despite electronic filters they put on them to filter out higher frequencies. The low frequency component of every car, train, truck, etc, will likely register that close.

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reply to post by Thermo Klein


Harmonic Tremers

Casing

edit - wow sorry guys, the other posts didnt show in my screen till I replied!

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reply to post by pajoly


Yes, I have three dogs and I have noticed odd behavior in them for the past few months. I have mentioned this before on other EQ threads and I fully believe in animals sensing things 'beneath their feet'.

Puter man...thank you so much for the maps/graphs and incredible input. Not just on this thread ofcourse, but the many others you fuel so much info to! I completely agree that the one station is all man-made noise. I thought that as soon as I saw the pattern. (snakes) The original one had me wondering more (SNMR), but True American seems to also feel it is man-made, which is a BIG relief!!! I know you both will keep looking and when I have more time later, I plan to browse around too. Now that I have thought of these all being connected (I'm sure I am not the first or only one), I plan on looking for other patterns.

To those warning not to panic or get too worked up: I agree 100% with you. Whenever my kids start to stress about any kind of natural disaster (movies, news, kids at school fuel this aplenty) I always tell them they are more likely to be hit by a truck crossing the street, but worrying about that all the time and never crossing the street would make no sense. Being aware and being paranoid/panicked are two very different things to me!

Thanks to all for the great input! I will be back later when the 'real' world is not so busy!

reply to post by PuterMan


OOO you put the seismograph readings up to where I can see them thanks!

That does look like what St. Helens looked like a couple months before she became active. Also looks like the Rainier readings prior to the earthquakes. They started out like that then gradually grew to where the pages were solid. I will check to see if they are still posted on here.

reply to post by TrueAmerican


Thank you much for explaining that. I should have spelled it out in the original post!

I wanted to pick your brain about another thought I had. If there is in fact a magma chamber that extends under the ocean floor, do you think the pull of the tsunami, (even as small as it was on our coast) have an affect on it? If it were already 'leaking' (the volcano), do you think it may have impacted it, causing the quakes?

Just another thought among many....

Here is a post you might enjoy reading from back in 04-05
ATS thread " Cascades - Disturbing Activity at St Helens & Rainier!! " IT was back when all we really knew how to do was link a page to our posts. AND before we realized that when you post the link it didnt keep the link to THAT seismograph, it linked to the sight that was constantly being updated. SO, major bummer the links dont work anymore.

and here is one that actually kept a pic of the seismographs so you can see why we were all getting excited. Thanks to Hellmutt!!!

Ats thread "Mount ST Helens Dome Splits "

they could give you a good compairison of volcanos acting up prior to erupting if nothing else.

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I live in WA seattle area I havent noticed anything, besides the weather being weird but it's good to know whats under me.
hopefully if its a caldera its the kind that only blows not anytime in the next thousand's of years. Or it wont be pretty for any living here.

reply to post by galadofwarthethird


I think the bigger implication here, (other than the obvious regarding an exlposion) is the affect this would then have on the whole dynamics of our region. I think we would have to look at our very active volcanic range and even the plate tectonics in a different light. I think that is why there was so much discussion amongst the specialist, because it would really change everything so it's a big deal, geologically speaking.

For me, it makes me consider the affects of the larger worldwide quakes and especially the tsunamis. The little swarms out in the ocean, the wierd stuff that may or may not be happening just inland along the shoreline. I am just seeing all of this in a different light now. Add to that now the CME's and solar flares which some argue affect the quakes.

There was mention earlier of the 'dead zone' offshore here. I am not too familiar with that, but I know there has been a lot of wierd crap with the ocean lately. Possibly it has more to do with elnino and the natural current patterns, but there have been a lot of sealife showing up here that isn't normally seen in these waters. I know our region is not unique to this phenomenon though so maybe it has nothing to do with volcanic acivity.

There is just so much at play here that it makes it harder to know what to expect, let alone when.

Being a life long resident, I agree something is different here the past few months.

I haven't read everything that has been posted so far but I got a good idea of where the thread has been going since if you pay attention it hasnt been hard to notice.

First off did anyone see the double reverse rainbows across the lakes while the sky looked like dark storm with heavy rain, yet sunny and warm?

Sure has been very warm at night and I cant remember the last time our skys have been so clear this time of year.

Isn't if funny how weak of a winter we had yet the rest of the country including cali didn't have it so nice.


I agree sounds are different and everything feels more muted sound wise. Ive also felt like our pressure has changed.

Guess we will see how well the earthquake retro project for our highways went. Obviously we have all had earthquakes on the brain and we haven't had a big one in many years now.

Edit: My animals have been out of sorts too

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