For 2012, go to the source, and listen to Mayan Grand Elder Grandfather Cirilo Perez Oxlaj, page 1
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Topic started on 13-3-2010 @ 06:02 PM by Iamonlyhuman
In determining what you think 2012 will bring or not bring, would it not make sense to go to the source for what the Mayan's actually were/are predicting? AND, when they actually are predicting it?

For me, the source is
Grand Elder Grandfather Cirilo Perez Oxlaj - leader of the National Mayan Council of Elders of Guatemala; Day Keeper of the Mayan Calendar; 13th generation Quiche Mayan Spiritual Leader; a founder and Grand Elder of the Continental Council of Elders & Spiritual Guides of the Americas; Extraordinary Ambassador in the Guatemalan government representing the indigenous pueblos; and an international lecturer on Mayan culture.

And this is what he has to say about it (my excerpts from the video below). Please flag this thread if you are so inclined so that more people will become aware that it is not the end of the world.

Every 5200 years we come to this point when the Earth becomes dark for a period of 60 to 70 hours… Many people take advantage of the Mayan calendar scaring our people with threatening words where it says that the world will be ending. So in this sense that I tell you to all my brothers do not be afraid. The sun will go dark, the planet Earth will not see the sun but we should understand it is like the New Year. The old year ended December 31st… tomorrow January 1st. Happy New Year! That is what we should do when the day comes.

We do not have a date to say that it is going to be the 12th of December.. it could be 2015, 2020 or further on. We are lost to the correct date.






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reply posted on 13-3-2010 @ 06:37 PM by Iamonlyhuman
reply to post by OzWeatherman


Yes, the thing they are predicting is 60 - 70 hours of darkness some time in the next 10 years or so and after that the "New Sun".

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reply posted on 13-3-2010 @ 06:42 PM by beebs
reply to post by OzWeatherman



Yep. And it also confirms at the same time that SOMETHING SIGNIFICANT will happen, at least in his eyes. I don't know about you, but the earth staying dark for 60-70 hours is quite a big deal. How exactly does that happen?

This does not diminish 2012 in any way, unless you were expecting Hollywood's version.

And also, doesn't it seem that maybe the government knows about this and is trying to take advantage of this? Or spin it to their advantage?

Just a thought. Belittling 2012 is fine, but who is trying to make it big? Is it the fringe internet population that draws people's attention? Or is it hollywood?

This is interesting. I remember Benpadiah saying that the sky will go dark, and stars will not be visible in one of his threads...




reply posted on 13-3-2010 @ 07:11 PM by Iamonlyhuman
Originally posted by beebs
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post by OzWeatherman



And also, doesn't it seem that maybe the government knows about this and is trying to take advantage of this? Or spin it to their advantage?

Just a thought. Belittling 2012 is fine, but who is trying to make it big? Is it the fringe internet population that draws people's attention? Or is it hollywood?


Very good point there. Although it may not be the "government", one school of thought on this goes like this, and I tend to agree with it:

www.mayanmajix.com...
At a time when we may soon expect a much expanded interest in the meaning of the Mayan calendar such interpretations of an event taking place on a special date are obviously very much welcomed by the defenders of the established order for the simple reason that they do not imply that we need to participate in a process of evolution of consciousness. Moreover, if the Mayan calendar is only about an event that happens in the sky what else would there be to do other than sit and wait with arms crossed for this event to take place? Fortunately, for the serious student of the Mayan calendar system, it has a much greater richness than this and may help people understand both the past and the future and at the same time provide a meaningful spiritual context for life.


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reply posted on 13-3-2010 @ 07:58 PM by SpeakerofTruth
reply to post by beebs



I'm waiting for the fanatics to come on here and say, "Well, doesn't the bible say that the moon will turn red as blood and the sun as dark as sack cloth?" There will be panic.

That is why it is important that people be INFORMED....Deny ignorance. This thread, in my opinion, is a good start.

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reply posted on 13-3-2010 @ 08:02 PM by SpeakerofTruth
reply to post by hippomchippo



He'd have a hell of a lot better idea than Western culture does. Yeah? I mean, after all, the Mayans ARE HIS CULTURE!!!


reply posted on 13-3-2010 @ 11:49 PM by SpeakerofTruth
reply to post by CAPT PROTON



Wel, I am sure there are going to be some ramifications of all of this. The real question is to what degree. Being a westerner, I am well aware that we live in a fear based, anxiety riddled culture. This is due to our own imaginations.... The anxiety is always worse than the reality.



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reply posted on 14-3-2010 @ 06:12 AM by zeddissad
reply to post by soultorent



Anybody familiar with The Night of the Triffids novel? It is remarkable in many respects. Back to the point - the novel starts with global, month+ long "night". The reason for this "night" is that the Solar system crossed cloud of "galactic dust".
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