Originally posted by _BoneZ_
Those who support or peddle the above theories are not 9/11 truthers and are not seeking truth. They are seeking to deface and destroy the 9/11 truth movement with their ridiculous "theories" that have no scientific, verifiable, or truthful basis.

They probably think exactly the same about you and the "truthers" you approve of, with your silly theories on explosives, pod carrying aircraft, missile firing aircraft, steel weakening chemicals etc etc.

This is the reason the whole "truther" movement is getting nowhere, you argue amongst yourself about who has the silliest conspiracy theory, not realising that they are all just as silly and none of them have any evidence to back up their particular theory.

[edit on 8/3/10 by dereks]

the live catch video looks like a missile. i'm a pilot, and that's no 767

I'm not trying to hype up any hologram theory, but I just wanted to comment on the video that was put up by the OP of the now closed "there was no plane" thread. At about 1:02 theres a POV from below looking up (pretty close to tower) and it looks just like the plane "dissappears" into the building, and THEN it explodes. I'm just sayin, it was probably cuz the plane was moving so fast and from the angle you can't really see the plane causing damage as it "dissappears" into the tower... I really don't wan't to hype these incredibly unpopular "hologram theories". In fact, I have't even read up on any of the articles or threads talking about it. Just heard about it from the titles of such threads and articles,and it wasn't too hard to figure out what they were trying to imply. But while I'm here, here's another thing I just thought of.

Imagine this: Yes. We, the gov., DID cause 911, either that or we knew it would happen and let it. We received some intelligence using technology that the disclosure of such to the world would in itself be a threat to national security. So we couldn't exactly SAY what we knew. Nor could we prove it. At least not without further endangering national security. So we choose to kill 3000 in order to save millions. Keep in mind, we still cannot say who or where the threat really was. Maybe it was Saddam or someone related, maybe not. But what exactly would you, the citizens,like to do about it? We, the people in power, will not agree to give up our power or admit we were wrong. Because we know we did the right thing. Furthurmore, we would rather destroy the entire world rather than give up our power as we know it. You could start a revolution. But you do know that it would become a civil war, as there are many who would still stand behind us knowing what we did. We can convince many people that we either did what we had to do, or that we didn't do it at all. But as I was saying, you could start a civil war... and give many other powers (Russia, China, Iran, N. Korea, etc., etc., etc.) the opportunity they've been waiting for? They would have an easy time at picking at us as we bicker amongst eachother.

So, you see people? No matter what the government is guilty of (I personally do not know, I used extremes to make the point that it doesn't matter how bad it actually got), if there is to be a revolution, it would HAVE to be by peaceful (and if possible, democratic) means. Otherwise, we risk our country being attacked by better-organized forces (there may be forces out there right now HOPING, even PLANNING for a US CIVIL WAR part 2) while we are in a state of chaos. Anyone who thinks the Capitol can be taken by force, has no idea what they are up against. The battle has moved past the physical realm, that's what most people don't realize. The battle they are fighting right now is for the hearts and minds of the American people. If they can make you do nothing, they are winning. So keep watching TV, keeping up with fashions, pay attention to celebrity gossip, etc. There are so many ways to keep entertained and pass time. I guess the best thing you can do FOR NOW is try to wake up others and eventually when theres enough of us, we might get someone in office who isn't crazy...Crazy? I was crazy once, they put me in a padded cell. It was cold. I died. They buried me. The worms kept tickling my feet! IT ALMOST DROVE ME CRAZY... Crazy? I was crazy once, they put me in a padded cell. It was cold. I died. They buried me. The worms kept tickling my feet! IT ALMOST DROVE ME CRAZY... Crazy? I was crazy once...

Originally posted by weedwhacker
This thread has long been needed.

That's exactly why I made it. I've been meaning to make this thread for a while, but with work and school, busy busy. But, with recent events and the DEW threads popping up here, I thought I'd get it done.

The pod people are connected to Popular science and vanity fair. Loose Change is connected to and funded by the pod people, they are connected to jack blood and the in plain site people, who is connected to the WEB Fairy, who is connected to the no planers, who is connected to Nico Haupt, who are connected to several popular 911 sites, who are connected to stanley hilton who is connected to Jim fetzer..etc, etc

These people are come from a very vile place. They goal is to discredit and smear any 911 investigation or researcher with outlandish theories in the name of 911 truth.

Just like Dereks reply was classic and is also proof as to why these people do what they do so people like weed and dereks can almost autonomously categorize a 911 researcher as a crack pot loon.

[edit on 8-3-2010 by Shadow Herder]

Attack me call me crazy, call me what you like.

But i find this theory of Tv fakery more believe then the planes hit the towers.


I guess i will banned for speaking my mind here eh?

The media can indeed fake the news, remember the first iraq war?


I will speak on what i believe.

Also remember the first tower of the firfighters in the 9/11 video? how can you say that's a Boeing plane? by such low quality flim back then?

and other thing, why only one footage? the firefighters came there as if they knew something will occur at there correct location.

[edit on 8-3-2010 by Agent_USA_Supporter]

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So you think there was no "TV fakery" at all?

That could range from false statements or deceivingly bad camera angles or "Harley Man".

IMO there was (potentially) a lot of fakery. Although I am not here to promote a disinfo campaign, pinky swear.

Lets look at the facts:

1. The entire contingency plan required 100% penetration of both planes.
   
2. Planes are made of flimsy composite materials and brittle aluminum.
   
3. The WTC was made of a complex grid of massive steel girders.
   
4. If even one plane didn't FULLY penetrate, their plan would have been completely BLOWN.
   
5. They wouldn't risk the entire operation on a "guess" that the planes would fully penetrate the towers. In reality, it's quite unlikely that BOTH planes would completely penetrate the towers.
   
6. The media had the motive and the opportunity to play a part in this conspiracy.
   

Looking at that list, you can't completely write off no-planes. It seems quite reasonable that TV fakery would have been used, along with explosives to make it look like planes hit.

[edit on 8-3-2010 by seattletruth]

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