Citizen's Arrest of Alleged War Criminal George W. Bush in Canada

Originally posted by hippomchippo

Originally posted by dereks

Originally posted by bsbray11
GWB is a war criminal, endorsed torture along with Dick Cheney, etc.

In your fantasy world perhaps, however in the real world courts decide guilt or innocence - and we can see how you hate that fact!

Unfortunantly in this real world half the courts are too corrupt and the other half are too scared to bring this man to justice.

But even if what you say is true, it still does not give any of you the right to claim anyone else is a criminal.

Turn it around. What if someone else decides just on their whim to declare YOU a criminal.

See the slippery slope you are creating just because you hate Bush?

I am sorry to burst people's bubble but a citizen's arrest in Canada is only legal when they are in the process of committing an indictable offense, when the person is believed to be actively pursued by people who have the lawful authority to arrest (Assist police),

Section 494. (Canadian Criminal Code)
(1) ARREST WITHOUT WARRANT BY ANY PERSON Any one may arrest without warrant:
(a) a person whom he finds committing an indictable offense; or
(b) a person who, on reasonable grounds, he believes
* (i) has committed a criminal offense, and
* (ii) is escaping from and freshly pursued by persons who have lawful authority to arrest that person

(2) ARREST BY OWNER, ETC., OF PROPERTY Any one who is
(a) the owner or a person in lawful possession of property, or
(b) a person authorized by the owner or by a person in lawful possession of property may arrest without warrant a person whom he finds committing a criminal offense on or in relation to that property.

(3) DELIVERY TO PEACE OFFICER Any one other than a peace officer who arrests a person without warrant shall forthwith deliver the person to a peace officer.

This means that GWB would have to be clearly committing an offense at Prima Face at that moment. Also, there is a concept of arrest and release in Canada. It is a concept where arrest is only to be made in certain conditions (R.I.C.E. +W). This can be found in articles 497, 498, 501, and 502 of the Canadian Criminal Code These are the brief explanations :

R = Repetition. Arrest for the purpose of stopping the offense from continuing.
I = Identification. Arrest to identify the person properly.
C = Court. Arrest to ensure that they person will show up for court.
E = Evidence. Arrest to prevent the destruction of evidence.
W = Protection of witness/victims. Arrest to protect the witness(es) and victim(s)

The thing is that a summons could easily be served on that person. If the person fails to attend court, then an arrest warrant would be issued. I know that this issue is very hot but we must remember that even people suspected of serious crimes have the right to be treated equally under the law.

This leaves me with no doubt that a person attempting a citizen's arrest is purely doing this for symbolic reasons and not for legal ones; especially when they are part of a group supported by lawyers.

There are procedures in place for people to bring these cases either to the police, the prosecutor's, or to a Justice of the Peace's attention so that charges could be laid before an arrest of this kind could be made. Can you imagine what would happen if a case was made and then botched over a faulty arrest??? If the lawyers that support this group can't follow the procedure then we have a heck of a problem...

Peace,

Magnum

"Lawyers Against the War and protestors implored the government to do their duty and arrest Bush. “Dac” was carrying papers detailing the evidence against George W. Bush, which he had planned to serve him with on behalf of the victims and the people of the world, and he raised his hands to show that he was “non-violent.” Dac was then thrown down, stomped on, kicked, handcuffed and led off to be brutalized in a Calgary jail."
www.globalresearch.ca...

I wonder what this "evidence" is that he was carrying? Despite that I have been looking into the claim that Calgary police "...threw him down, stomped on, kicked, handcuffed and led off to be brutalized in a Calgary jail"

Or I wonder if police neutralized a "potential" threat to their assigned principle (of course if former presidant Bush had a protective service detail on the Candian PD which would also be notable information but just speculating) then he had a foot then a knee placed on the small of his back to render him highly immobile so handcuffing can be achieved easier and effectivley. Now about the "Calgary Jail" what horrors did he face there?
I mean to say that if the police brutalized him didn't the police commit a crime in public if they did that is a shame but it sounds to me like Standard Operating Procedure to me


Edit to add
Sorry about the redunancy at the end hit that reply button without thinking to revise DOH!

[edit on 8-3-2010 by Brotherman]

Originally posted by dereks

Originally posted by bsbray11
GWB is a war criminal, endorsed torture along with Dick Cheney, etc.

In your fantasy world perhaps, however in the real world courts decide guilt or innocence - and we can see how you hate that fact!

Everybody knows what they did. The fact that no court has indicted them doesn't mean they didn't do it. Just means that like most of the power elite, they can get away with murder because nobody has the stones to do what's right.

With Half-Brother Obama now officially ascended to the post of Most Powerful Man In The World, we can sum up his predecessor's reign. Instead of asking how successful he was, let's take a look at something else. Was Chimpy W. Bu#ler closer to the progressive government of Fidel Castro, or more of a reactionary like Hans Adam II?

Ignoring rhetoric, let's see what ol' Bu#ler actually did. In foreign affairs, he attempted to bring democracy to Afghanistan and Iraq and also supported democratic elections in Egypt and Palestine. Spreading democracy is progressive but attempting to spread it in that part of the world requires the advanced progressive beliefs that all peoples love democracy and democracy is good for them.

In domestic policy, under Chimpy the US government went from regulating the financial sector to controlling it directly, and owning parts of it outright. The only thing which progressives love more than spreading democracy is expanding government power and influence. There was also the legal enforcement of the Lake Wobegon's belief that "all children are above average" (or, to use another wording, "no child left behind"). Even Lyndon B. Johnson's Great Society is not very progressive when compared to Dubya's domestic accomplishments. Therefore, George W. Bush was the most progressive US president since Franklin D. Roosevelt.

While getting your policy from Minnesota Public Radio comedy programs and spreading democracy both seem like terrible ideas to me, we live in a world where many people like such things. Those are the reasons why Bu#ler is so admired and beloved by all sorts of progressives, liberals and socialists everywhere. Oh, he isn't? Well, he was proabably just too far ahead of his time and they'll come around in a few years.

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I agree with you there man but another question I might ask myself is so what happens if someone did try them in court would it be another OJ Simpson Debacle what would happen next EX Prez Bush and all his buddies after being found not quilty ( by a corrupt court ) author a book Called "What if I did it" hypothetically laying out all the dirty little secrets that could have worked to pull off all of these war crimes LOL thought it was amusing to think about but to be honest if it did happen I dont know how far off that may be double Jeapordy is still a big deal in America as we all should know

Originally posted by centurion1211
See the slippery slope you are creating just because you hate Bush?

Question: Do you hate Hitler?

I really don't feel any emotion at all toward the man except that I'm glad he's not in power anymore.

Same with Bush.

When he was first running for office I actually supported him. I wanted McCain in more at the time but still better than Gore. Over ten years later and man did I get a slap in the face during his 8 years.

No sane person with a straight face can tell me he was the most competent man in America for this job. He just the son of George Sr. And he stood around and allowed at least 1 war that was blatantly illegal and will be remembered as such by future generations because of the flimsy grounds on which he initiated that war (Iraq) and because of which uncounted civilians have died, but beyond a doubt by the scores of thousands. Not even bringing up the torture that was being implemented more and more brazenly during his administration, that has since been admitted to leading to the deaths of individuals in detainment, despite their claims to the contrary all during that administration. I doubt we will ever know the full extent to which they have tortured and murdered people, which is still ongoing to this day.

If you think this is a Republican/Democrat thing then you are amongst the most lost people that still exist in this country.

This is a right/wrong thing and a freedom/fascism thing. If you want to talk about brutal military dictators, let's talk about administrations implementing torture policies behind the backs of all the courts and Congress, wiretapping, pretty much whatever in the hell they felt like doing, all in the name of 9/11.

The only reason I can think of for people still thinking of Bush like their old drinking buddy, is pure partisanship and right vs. left brainwashing. True conservatism is dead in this country. Ron Paul is the closest thing to that anymore and nobody hard listens to him as it is. If you think supporting these guys makes you a real republican and that that's something to be proud of, frankly I am disgusted by the ignorance of that position. I don't want to make this into a personal issue but it really and honestly does disgust me that PARTY POLITICS seem to give people an excuse to look over what this man has done and just assume everyone talking trash about him is a liberal or some other total nonsense. A bad president is a bad president. And Obama is also an awful president. The whole thing is messed the hell up. The sooner you drop the dead right vs. left bull crap and reset your "preferences" the sooner we can get serious about this country and stop destroying it from the inside out with our "elected" leaders.

George Bush is probably the BIGGEST war criminal the world has ever seen.

When Hitler came to power at the time, there was no internet or fast communication for people to see how he created a false flag, blamed others, and killed Millions.

However, George Bush did the EXACT thing that Hitler did, but this time he is caught red handed thanks to the internet and fast communication, and it's just a matter of time before he is tried for crimes against humanity.

Let's hope the day is very soon.

Can anyone here show me one war where there were not interrogations or 'torture'? Anyone? I think many of you do not realize the brutalities of war. You want to convict Bush of the same things you ignore that every world leader that has ever presided over a war has done and authorized. It shows the hypocrisy, illogical and intellectual dishonesty of this movement and the people involved in it.

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George Bush was responsible for Millions of Iraqi deaths, and thousands of Afghanis.

His policies took many American freedoms away under the Patriot Act, and has created an explosion of terrorists all over the world.

He made the world a dangerous place, and his dumb policies are now being continued by Obama which could potentially lead to a world war.

He is guilty and should be tried.

Can't blame us for trying

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So since "everybody" tortures people it's okay. Is that what you're saying?

Why do you think there was so much heated controversy about the US torturing people in the first place? Because it has never been sanctioned on such a level and so publicly before. What soldiers do themselves when no one is watching them in prison camps, after having going through hell, is one thing. Building camps and abducting people from all over the world to take them to these camps specifically to torture them is another thing entirely.

How does anyone propose to extract purtinant information from suspected terrorists/ war criminals? shoot them up with that silver stuff from the matrix to get the codes to zion hmmm ask them nicely idk I am sure that sometimes people who dont necessarily deserve to be tortured have been tortured but at least we are not sawing off their heads and hanging them on bridges lit on fire like pinatas at the devils BBQ Im not saying 2 wrongs make a right but is there an alternative or is this a necessary evil. "The first casualty of war is common sense"

Bush backtracked in a TV interview near the end of his presidency about his believing he was appointed by God to be President (and make wars), but any sly enough salesman-cheerleader type can lie with a strait face. I believe his religious fanaticism, even if it turns out not of the mainstream Abrahamic variety, will prove to be his primary motivation in his diabolical actions. If such fanaticism doesn't define a war criminal, nothing else does.

Originally posted by Emerald The Paradigm
He is guilty and should be tried.

What bizarro world are you living in where someone is declared guilty, then they have a trial..... what is the purpose of the trial in your world?

Originally posted by Emerald The Paradigm
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George Bush was responsible for Millions of Iraqi deaths, and thousands of Afghanis.

Oh please here we go again with those inflated bogus "Millions of Iraqis killed" Garbage.

You do realize that those numbers are severely inflated and include every single instance of death and murder from crime and the mostly Shia vs Sunni sectarian killings. An ancient rivalry that was going on long before the US ever got there and will be going on long after we leave.

Originally posted by Emerald The Paradigm
reply to post by johnny2127

 

George Bush was responsible for Millions of Iraqi deaths, and thousands of Afghanis.

His policies took many American freedoms away under the Patriot Act, and has created an explosion of terrorists all over the world.

He made the world a dangerous place, and his dumb policies are now being continued by Obama which could potentially lead to a world war.

He is guilty and should be tried.

Millions? Come on, but serious here. Thats far and beyond even the most liberal of estimates. And regardless of the amount, laying blame at his feet is a philosophical one, and one that can be debated. Either way, not criminal.

The Patriot Act does suck, but that was voted on by both political parties, both the House of Representatives and the Senate and signed into law. From there is can be repealed, allowed to expire, or taken to the Supreme Court to be declared unconstitutional. But this is not something Bush can be tried and convicted for. Obama just extended and further strengtehn the Patriot Act, FYI.

The world was a dangerous place before Bush, and they will be long after him. He did not create Muslim extremism, or war for that matter. War is as old as mankind (philosophically I would say older). Extremism with religion will always be there as well. It was not GW Bush that bombed the WTC before, or the USS Cole, or the US Embassies, or London or Spain. These are all things others chose to do. If you really want to blame Bush for every butterfly effect of the current wars, then you must also blame Clinton, Reagan, Carter, Nixon, Ford, Johnson, Kennedy, etc....

Nothing in what you just said is criminal. If you think it is, I do not thing you understand the legal system. War and the brutalities of war, while horrible, are not illegal.

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Ok so according to you, let me ask you this:

Do you think Hitler was guilty?

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Wow that guy is a real hero standing up for truth and freedom. If half the people in the USA had his courage we would have our country back in the hands of the people and have kicked out the globalist bankers who control it now.

You know what really "grinds my gears"? When someone talks about Bush or Cheney it's always "burn them at the stake no trial, no questions!!!!" but when some average Joe gets busted by the police, it's always a "his rights this" or "the pigs that"...

I love how, for some people, there is no shame in being a hipocrite...

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