Citizen's Arrest of Alleged War Criminal George W. Bush in Canada

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posted on Mar, 8 2010 @ 10:31 PM
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Slayer,

Once again don't give me that bull where you honestly think like ten people died from the Iraq and Afghanistan invasion.

The U.S. LIES about EVERYTHING!

Here's two quick places that say AT LEAST 100,000 civilians died directly from the U.S. invasion.

en.wikipedia.org...

en.wikipedia.org...

Don't also forget just because at least 100,000 Iraqis died directly from warfare by American, there will MILLIONS injured, displaced, starved, etc. which were also DIRECTLY from the U.S. invasion.

You can't think "Oh wow 200,000+ are refugees because we ruined their life and they starved to death, oh well that doesn't count."

[edit on 8-3-2010 by Emerald The Paradigm]




posted on Mar, 8 2010 @ 10:32 PM
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Originally posted by bsbray11
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So since "everybody" tortures people it's okay. Is that what you're saying?

Why do you think there was so much heated controversy about the US torturing people in the first place? Because it has never been sanctioned on such a level and so publicly before. What soldiers do themselves when no one is watching them in prison camps, after having going through hell, is one thing. Building camps and abducting people from all over the world to take them to these camps specifically to torture them is another thing entirely.


No that is not what I am saying. What I am saying is that it is part of war, and will always be. If you think otherwise you are naive. But when a movement and those involved in it choose to freak out about the same actions of one war and the President, while ignoring the same actions and leaders of other wars, it shows the movement for what it really is. The US tortured terrorists, suspected terrorists, suspected enemies.... while others torture suspected political opponents, media members that don't give the coverage they like, woman for being raped, men for helping another man's wife with groceries, etc..... Yes with all of those things, you choose Bush as the war criminal. You ignore Ahmadinejad, Chavez, Hussein (when he was alive), Jong-il, Putin, and don't call for the UN to arrest them as war criminals. You leave them alone. Think about it.....



posted on Mar, 8 2010 @ 10:32 PM
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Would you care a single bit more if it actually were millions instead of just scores of thousands or even hundreds of thousands?

My guess is no, you would not give a damn more.



posted on Mar, 8 2010 @ 10:33 PM
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Make that a million + 8


The US invasion didn't create the sectarian conflict. Research Sunni and Shia history.

Sectarian Violence

Gunmen in Iraq have shot dead a family of eight and beheaded some of the bodies, officials say, amid a wave of pre-election violence.

The gunmen killed the family, who were reportedly Shia Muslims living in a majority Sunni area just outside the capital, Baghdad, early on Monday.



posted on Mar, 8 2010 @ 10:37 PM
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You are ignoring the fact that the U.S. DIRECTLY resulted in many civilian deaths which was based on a BIG LIE and fabrication made by the Bush administration.

Afghanistan was also a big lie fabrication made by the Bush administration.

9/11 big lie fabrication.

Next will be Pakistan because that's where the "terrorists" all decided to go.

Slayer, You KNOW that the U.S. will NEVER win, so they might as well retreat now before more people die from the war.

The Spetsnaz of Russia which were actually VERY GOOD fighters retreated with major defeat, so what makes you think the U.S. will win?

It's already been 9 years and Osama has not been captured (Never Will), none of the "hijackers" are even at this point relevant to anything, why are we in Iraq, etc.?



posted on Mar, 8 2010 @ 10:39 PM
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The American people wanted blood. I think this does bring Obama into the fold if we are discussing war crimes, because he continues the war, again with Congress approval, albeit a less than enthusiastic approval. I do not think the current administration could allow any war crimes prosecutions to go forward because of the duplicity of continuing to wage a war that may be labeled illegal. Just my two cents.


Sure the American people wanted blood, but the blood they wanted was that of the alleged "terrorists" that attacked us first. Bush lied and made the U.S. believe Hussein was involved and had WMD. If he hadn't done that, the American people wouldn't have been supportive of randomly invading Iraq just for the heck of it...

I'm in agreement with you about Obama. He really has no way out of this without winding up on the short end of the stick. I wonder if he knew how much of this burdon was going to be on his shoulders when he signed up for this gig. . .



posted on Mar, 8 2010 @ 10:40 PM
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Originally posted by bsbray11
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Would you care a single bit more if it actually were millions instead of just scores of thousands or even hundreds of thousands?

My guess is no, you would not give a damn more.


You are asking if I care. Yes I do. Whether its 1 death or a million, its tragic and very sad. But we are discussing legality and if something is a crime. Do not result to insulting my morality because I know the difference between tragic and legal. You let your emotions decide your legal opinions, which is a perfect example of why the law was created with multiple checks, processes to appeal, and standards for proof. Emotion as no place in legality. The more emotional something is, it does not mean the more legal or illegal something is.



posted on Mar, 8 2010 @ 10:41 PM
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Slayer69

I would agree with that while I was over in ramadi in 06 on numerous occasions within our AOR we had multiple assassination attempts of Iraqi on Iraqi violence in which left dozens dead including 2 attempts at the mayors (of ramadi's) life. It does happen and it is significant. 3/8 L Semper Iraqi politics



posted on Mar, 8 2010 @ 10:43 PM
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Originally posted by Emerald The Paradigm
It's already been 9 years and Osama has not been captured (Never Will), none of the "hijackers" are even at this point relevant to anything, why are we in Iraq, etc.?


That was always my biggest question. With BHO in office, it seems like there would be less reason to be there. Oh I know the unspoken why's and wherefore's, but still. It is kinda sad that a part of the human condition is the drive to continue lying after you have already told a lie. Instead of saying "My bad" and apologizing an walking away, we're still there.

Chrono



posted on Mar, 8 2010 @ 10:43 PM
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Yeah... Lets not forget Iran's contribution to the fun and mayhem by supplying and training insurgents who helped to needless extend the death and destruction a full to years or more.

Do your numbers give credit to Iran which include or reflect all the public bombings of schools and opposition masques? Which included women and children.


I think we should give Iran some of the credit they deserve.



posted on Mar, 8 2010 @ 10:43 PM
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Originally posted by Emerald The Paradigm
reply to post by SLAYER69
 


You are ignoring the fact that the U.S. DIRECTLY resulted in many civilian deaths which was based on a BIG LIE and fabrication made by the Bush administration.

Afghanistan was also a big lie fabrication made by the Bush administration.


People like you are hilarious. Bush made it all up huh? Amazing Clinton said the same thing a couple years before that. Did Bush travel back in time and make up that evidence also? Be intellectually honest please.



posted on Mar, 8 2010 @ 10:45 PM
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Hello,
Well, today's the 8th. How did his day in court go? Did the activist/gentleman get to present his case during the hearing? Or was he turned away because the court was afraid to hear any evidence presented?

Good find. I'll be watching how this plays-out.

Although Dubya did do some things right, the ends does not justify the means. I want to see him (Dubya) answer to the charges brought against him, in a court of law.



posted on Mar, 8 2010 @ 10:49 PM
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It started with George Bush Senior and his obsession with a NEW WORLD ORDER, and how it will be established in the near future.

This is all pre-planned by the people in power, and they are sitting there eating popcorn while the show unfolds, and here we have you trying to justify the actions of criminals.

I wonder if you would say the same thing about Hitler.



posted on Mar, 8 2010 @ 10:51 PM
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We are not talking about Iran.

We are talking about George Bush being a criminal, and the U.S. being a criminal organization hell bent on destroying and taking over the Middle East to establish a New World Order.

Stop trying to derail the conversation with side notes.



posted on Mar, 8 2010 @ 10:52 PM
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Originally posted by tooo many pills
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Good luck getting him there. It isn't like Nuremberg. GWB hasn't lost a war.
Obama will though.
Is he a war criminal too? No, he is a socialist.


Wow, how do kids always manage to bring Obama into the discussion? Some people are borderline obsessive. Stop watching FAUX!





Sooooo, someone brings up obama and it's "borderline obsessive" but this need to keep bringing up President Bush isn't? Strange isn't it?
And since obama is continuing the war then maybe obama should be tried too, right?



posted on Mar, 8 2010 @ 10:54 PM
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You were the one who quoted that bogus figure of "Millions killed" then it dropped to 200.000 now it's "lets not derail the thread Slayer".

OK whatever.



posted on Mar, 8 2010 @ 10:57 PM
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You will justify the war either way because you said your son is in the service.

So you are one of those people that supports the troops, but then pretends they don't "support" the war, which is hypocrisy at its best.

If you support the troops, then you are supporting the war.

If you REALLY supported the troops, then you would bring them home and get them out of harms way.

Crazy is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

The U.S. will NEVER win the war. How many years is enough? It's already been 9, what do you need 20? 30? How about 50 years?

America's economy is dying, and people are still supporting the war.

Disgusting.



posted on Mar, 8 2010 @ 10:57 PM
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Originally posted by johnny2127
You let your emotions decide your legal opinions, which is a perfect example of why the law was created with multiple checks, processes to appeal, and standards for proof. Emotion as no place in legality.


So if your mother is on her deathbed, and I kill her, logically she didn't have long left to live anyway, so based on that logic and reasoning should I not legally receive a less harsh sentence?

The whole reason we avoid killing people at all is because of the emotion it inflicts in the people that are left behind, and what that emotion leads them to think and feel and do in response. It's ugly all around. It isn't because it makes worth a damn of difference to the dead person anymore, because they're dead, and so it's logical they can't possibly care.

We have murdered how many scores of thousands of civilians? Tommy Franks said they don't do body counts. But they'll fly over residential areas and drop bombs anyway. They've dropped bombs in elementary schools, on weddings, etc., etc., and what have we learned from this? Nothing. Maybe somebody gets scolded and are told to do a better job next time. That's legality for you huh? The whole reason we went there in the first place was flawed. Every single one of those deaths is completely unnecessary. That is a crime not only in my book but to millions of other people as well, and for good reason.

Maybe you have forgotten but the law ultimately rests with we the people. We elect the people who make the laws in hopes that they will represent us. So when so many people feel a certain way, yet the laws and actions of our governments don't reflect that, it's time for a serious change. Legality be damned, because it's broken.



And let me ask under which law Mussolini was captured, shot dead along with his wife, had his testicles cut off, and hung up for all to see?

The law of the damned people, that's which one. Sic semper tyrannis.

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posted on Mar, 8 2010 @ 11:00 PM
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is aiding, assisting, collaborating in someones unvoluntary premature death punishable by law ?

as far as i know there are pretty many people in jail at the moment because of their involvement in braking the law

and as far as i know people who give orders to kill also go behind bars

but it might be that this just applies to the general popolus...



posted on Mar, 8 2010 @ 11:03 PM
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We are talking about George Bush being a criminal,


Amazing how people like you scream and holler about us convicting the ones at Gitmo as being guilty without a trial, but you have no problem calling Bush a criminal.

If we can give the Gitmo guys rights, how about giving our President his rights.

Get him before a jury of his peers and lets see if he is truly a criminal.





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