Originally posted by hippomchippo

Originally posted by dereks

Originally posted by bsbray11
GWB is a war criminal, endorsed torture along with Dick Cheney, etc.

In your fantasy world perhaps, however in the real world courts decide guilt or innocence - and we can see how you hate that fact!

Unfortunantly in this real world half the courts are too corrupt and the other half are too scared to bring this man to justice.

But even if what you say is true, it still does not give any of you the right to claim anyone else is a criminal.

Turn it around. What if someone else decides just on their whim to declare YOU a criminal.

See the slippery slope you are creating just because you hate Bush?

Originally posted by dereks

Originally posted by bsbray11
GWB is a war criminal, endorsed torture along with Dick Cheney, etc.

In your fantasy world perhaps, however in the real world courts decide guilt or innocence - and we can see how you hate that fact!

Everybody knows what they did. The fact that no court has indicted them doesn't mean they didn't do it. Just means that like most of the power elite, they can get away with murder because nobody has the stones to do what's right.

With Half-Brother Obama now officially ascended to the post of Most Powerful Man In The World, we can sum up his predecessor's reign. Instead of asking how successful he was, let's take a look at something else. Was Chimpy W. Bu#ler closer to the progressive government of Fidel Castro, or more of a reactionary like Hans Adam II?

Ignoring rhetoric, let's see what ol' Bu#ler actually did. In foreign affairs, he attempted to bring democracy to Afghanistan and Iraq and also supported democratic elections in Egypt and Palestine. Spreading democracy is progressive but attempting to spread it in that part of the world requires the advanced progressive beliefs that all peoples love democracy and democracy is good for them.

In domestic policy, under Chimpy the US government went from regulating the financial sector to controlling it directly, and owning parts of it outright. The only thing which progressives love more than spreading democracy is expanding government power and influence. There was also the legal enforcement of the Lake Wobegon's belief that "all children are above average" (or, to use another wording, "no child left behind"). Even Lyndon B. Johnson's Great Society is not very progressive when compared to Dubya's domestic accomplishments. Therefore, George W. Bush was the most progressive US president since Franklin D. Roosevelt.

While getting your policy from Minnesota Public Radio comedy programs and spreading democracy both seem like terrible ideas to me, we live in a world where many people like such things. Those are the reasons why Bu#ler is so admired and beloved by all sorts of progressives, liberals and socialists everywhere. Oh, he isn't? Well, he was proabably just too far ahead of his time and they'll come around in a few years.

Originally posted by centurion1211
See the slippery slope you are creating just because you hate Bush?

Question: Do you hate Hitler?

I really don't feel any emotion at all toward the man except that I'm glad he's not in power anymore.

Same with Bush.

When he was first running for office I actually supported him. I wanted McCain in more at the time but still better than Gore. Over ten years later and man did I get a slap in the face during his 8 years.

No sane person with a straight face can tell me he was the most competent man in America for this job. He just the son of George Sr. And he stood around and allowed at least 1 war that was blatantly illegal and will be remembered as such by future generations because of the flimsy grounds on which he initiated that war (Iraq) and because of which uncounted civilians have died, but beyond a doubt by the scores of thousands. Not even bringing up the torture that was being implemented more and more brazenly during his administration, that has since been admitted to leading to the deaths of individuals in detainment, despite their claims to the contrary all during that administration. I doubt we will ever know the full extent to which they have tortured and murdered people, which is still ongoing to this day.

If you think this is a Republican/Democrat thing then you are amongst the most lost people that still exist in this country.

This is a right/wrong thing and a freedom/fascism thing. If you want to talk about brutal military dictators, let's talk about administrations implementing torture policies behind the backs of all the courts and Congress, wiretapping, pretty much whatever in the hell they felt like doing, all in the name of 9/11.

The only reason I can think of for people still thinking of Bush like their old drinking buddy, is pure partisanship and right vs. left brainwashing. True conservatism is dead in this country. Ron Paul is the closest thing to that anymore and nobody hard listens to him as it is. If you think supporting these guys makes you a real republican and that that's something to be proud of, frankly I am disgusted by the ignorance of that position. I don't want to make this into a personal issue but it really and honestly does disgust me that PARTY POLITICS seem to give people an excuse to look over what this man has done and just assume everyone talking trash about him is a liberal or some other total nonsense. A bad president is a bad president. And Obama is also an awful president. The whole thing is messed the hell up. The sooner you drop the dead right vs. left bull crap and reset your "preferences" the sooner we can get serious about this country and stop destroying it from the inside out with our "elected" leaders.

George Bush is probably the BIGGEST war criminal the world has ever seen.

When Hitler came to power at the time, there was no internet or fast communication for people to see how he created a false flag, blamed others, and killed Millions.

However, George Bush did the EXACT thing that Hitler did, but this time he is caught red handed thanks to the internet and fast communication, and it's just a matter of time before he is tried for crimes against humanity.

Let's hope the day is very soon.

Can anyone here show me one war where there were not interrogations or 'torture'? Anyone? I think many of you do not realize the brutalities of war. You want to convict Bush of the same things you ignore that every world leader that has ever presided over a war has done and authorized. It shows the hypocrisy, illogical and intellectual dishonesty of this movement and the people involved in it.

Can't blame us for trying

How does anyone propose to extract purtinant information from suspected terrorists/ war criminals? shoot them up with that silver stuff from the matrix to get the codes to zion hmmm ask them nicely idk I am sure that sometimes people who dont necessarily deserve to be tortured have been tortured but at least we are not sawing off their heads and hanging them on bridges lit on fire like pinatas at the devils BBQ Im not saying 2 wrongs make a right but is there an alternative or is this a necessary evil. "The first casualty of war is common sense"

Bush backtracked in a TV interview near the end of his presidency about his believing he was appointed by God to be President (and make wars), but any sly enough salesman-cheerleader type can lie with a strait face. I believe his religious fanaticism, even if it turns out not of the mainstream Abrahamic variety, will prove to be his primary motivation in his diabolical actions. If such fanaticism doesn't define a war criminal, nothing else does.

Originally posted by Emerald The Paradigm
He is guilty and should be tried.

What bizarro world are you living in where someone is declared guilty, then they have a trial..... what is the purpose of the trial in your world?

You know what really "grinds my gears"? When someone talks about Bush or Cheney it's always "burn them at the stake no trial, no questions!!!!" but when some average Joe gets busted by the police, it's always a "his rights this" or "the pigs that"...

I love how, for some people, there is no shame in being a hipocrite...

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