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posted on Mar, 7 2010 @ 07:46 PM
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Well, even if God did destroy Satan right now there would still be evil on this earth. Evil is created by humans. Satan only tempts us toward it. Satan is the deception that allows a person to justify their negative actions.

This is more or less the Biblical story of Satan that most non-Christians (and many Christians) have never heard:

Next to God, Satan is the most powerful, knowledgeable, beautiful being in existence (even now). Before his rebellion he was God's right hand man and was the guardian of this earth in the first Garden of Eden, the one made out of minerals and precious gemstones. (apparently Satan was adorned with all these jewels) Angels do have free will, and being so powerful, Satan started to have delusions of grandeur and believed he could usurp God. Naturally he was wrong and was cast out of heaven along with his followers.

God created a new Eden out of vegetable matter and placed humans, (mere mortals!) on Satan's former throne. Satan was seriously offended and has waged war with God ever since by trying to turn the mortal guardians away from Him.

Though it probably won't happen Satan could repent if he wanted to. He rebelled because his ego lead him to question God's authority. Fortunately for all of us God's authority is love. God still loves Satan. This is why He doesn't destroy him.

This is the true biblical story that unravels like a mystery throughout the text. Some may think that God is being cruel by allowing evil to exist but I'd rather have evil and free will than no choices at all.

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To tackle the OP perception of faith I can only share my own experience which has lead me to a higher understanding of the world and my place in it. I was headed down a very dark path and it took hitting rock bottom for me to find faith in God.

I stopped pursuing a career that was based completely on manipulation; An empty, superficial career that has played a major role in the dumbing down of our country. Some might say I flushed six years of higher education down the the toilet. I was at the top of my class but deep down inside I knew it wasn't something I truly wanted. I was too afraid to walk away from a career that would put me in the six figure income bracket and I was too ashamed to admit that I had made the wrong decision. I have a lot of pride.

It took tremendous faith for me to finally say I'd had enough. Now I'm struggling but doing what I love. I'm only at this point because I stepped away from my own ego for awhile and let God have a go at things.

I'm not saying I'm perfect because of faith. Faith doesn't make me blind to my own faults, but having it has caused a lot of soul searching that has made me a much better person. I shudder sometimes to think of the things I've said and done in the past. The time I squandered, the relationships I let fail, the bridges I burned, the wasted opportunities for pursuing my true dreams. That was a lack of faith altogether.

Faith has restored me in the deepest sense.



posted on Mar, 7 2010 @ 07:55 PM
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If god created humans, then why did he create us with evil instilled? That is pretty dumb, he sure makes a lot of mistakes. He must have known he would get extremely bored after creating us, so he put a little evil in there just to have something to do. You know cause he hasn't talked to anyone since two thousand years ago, even though Humans have been around for 195,000 years.

Google earliest human fossils OR just Wiki the word "human"
en.wikipedia.org...
www.fossilmuseum.net...
anthropology.si.edu...


LOL, OP! God could totally destroy Satan, but he doesn't want to because then who would run Hell? God likes having a good and evil, so if you don't serve and worship him, he has a place to send you.

Another good question for the religious is why do they still believe a two thousand year old theory on how the Earth and humans were created?

Umm, hello! Wake up! Welcome to the 21st century! We've had better ideas since then, just incase you haven't heard.
www.abovetopsecret.com...




[edit on 7-3-2010 by tooo many pills]



posted on Mar, 7 2010 @ 08:23 PM
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Satan used to be a beautiful, and good, angel - but he ruined that by rebelling against God.

And God didn't create mankind evil - He created mankind good and pure - it was satan that came along and, again, ruined that.

The antichrist is gonna love you guys -




posted on Mar, 7 2010 @ 10:28 PM
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The anti-christ is built into christianity for only one purpose.

When the time comes for humanity to move away from the atrocity that is religion, the church can instantly label any such leaders as "the anti-christ" and unite their last few followers. The church will say, "See we mentioned he was coming" because that is how they planned against the ending of their religion.

So when christianity starts to fail they will use the term "anti-christ" to try to prove their prophecy is coming true, but in reality anti-christ is just a mechanism for protection against the fall of the church meant to unite the followers against new ideas so they cling to their old ideology.

Think about it.
anti-christ
anti - a person who is opposed to a particular practice, party, policy, action, etc
dictionary.reference.com...

anti-chirst = a person that is opposed to the practice of worshipping christ

Anyone that tries to lead a revolution of logical thought against religion and christianity will be anti-christ, not satan because satan like god does not exist. The anti-christ is just there to label and scare anyone thing of leading the revolution.



posted on Mar, 7 2010 @ 10:48 PM
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Contrary to popular belief "satan" is 0ur enemy not GODs.

It isn't a name but a descriptive term 'opposition/resistance' (neither is "devil" 'accusation/insult', though a name was/is given) among a number of other appellations (some as deities).

Truth is 'it' is not destroyed until we are, until then 'they' are attempting to precede us and escape -but neither 'them' nor 'it' shall be glorified with any of us to the heritage of the Heavens.



posted on Mar, 8 2010 @ 12:24 AM
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Originally posted by XxRagingxPandaxX
Hello ATS, I have a challenge for all the Christians out there,
this one goes out to all the Christians out there.
Why doesn't god just destroy Satan?

If god is all powerful. why doesn't he just destroy Satan? To end all the suffering that is going on in the world right now?


Since you are asking Christians - here's an aswer to your Q (if you heard this explenation before then you know which Christian religion I belong to).

Note: if you want me to back up my explenation with scriptures just let me know, for now I'll leave most them off.

First of all the statement "God is all powerful" is true since he created all things (both invisible and visible). So your question has nothing to do with his power. Indeed if he wanted to he can destroy Satan along with the two rebels Adam and Eve and can start all over again. Mind you, satan was aware of God's plan for the ages and was very aware that he is no match with God.
Now I need to clarify something before I continue with my explenation. Some said on this post that God created satan or was somehow responsible for his existence. This thinking is not true and illogical because all the evil in the world since the beginning of time can then be attributted to God. The scripture says that "He is a God of Love" and no "evil" can be found in him. Much like darkness and light, sweet and bitter watter coming out of a well - you can't mix the two. Either you get light or darkness, sweet or bitter water.
So in this case God did not create satan but this angelic son of God made himself into Satan (from the Hebrew word 'sit-na' meaning accuser/resister) and devil (from the Greek work 'diabolos' meaning slanderer. Being a free moral agent like all God's creations this 'cherubim' had a high position in God's heavenly government but he got jealous and wanted to be like God himself. This oppurtunity came about when finally God created man. Satan knew that eventually the earth will be populated with righteous people and saw this oppurtunity to establish himself as the 'ruler'. So what did he do? Here's what the scripture say:
"So it began to say to the woman: “Is it really so that God said YOU must not eat from every tree of the garden?” At this the woman said to the serpent: “Of the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat. But as for [eating] of the fruit of the tree that is in the middle of the garden, God has said, ‘YOU must not eat from it, no, YOU must not touch it that YOU do not die.’” At this the serpent said to the woman: “YOU positively will not die. For God knows that in the very day of YOUR eating from it YOUR eyes are bound to be opened and YOU are bound to be like God, KNOWING good and bad." (Gen 3:1-5)
Did you noticed what satan did? He 'slandered' (sit-na') God by basically accusing (diablos) God of lying. He slandered and accused God of hiding something from them - knowing good and bad and noticed he said this point blank: "YOU positively will not die." but early on in chap 2 God said that they will die if they partake of the fruit of the tree. So from this moment in time this one time loving/good angel came to be known as Satan the devil.
Now back to your Q: why doesn't he just destroy Satan?
Because the other sons of God (angels) were also witnessing/watching this unfolding story. If God had destroyed the rebels - the questions will remain. Such as, was satan correct in saying that God was lying, that he was hiding something? Think about this too, God's sovereignty was challenged not his power. That is; does God have the right to rule mankind? By disobeying God Adam and Eve basically said - leave us alone and we will prove to you we can live on our own. At this point satan implied 'I can rule them succesfully' - just give me time and a chance and I'll prove it to you. So God allowed them to prove their claim.
Next let's take a look if the claim was true.



posted on Mar, 8 2010 @ 12:37 AM
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"Religion is poetry-plus, not science-minus."
-Krister Stendahl

Imagine for a moment, that you walk into a classroom where the theme is supposed to be Shakespere's "Hamlet." A loud, bitter argument is underway. On one side, people are screaming and howling that Hamlet is a fictional character, and therefore Shakespere is a lie, and thus all copies of Hamlet should be burned. On the other side, an equally riled-up group is shouting that Hamlet was in fact a real Prince of Denmark, back around the same time Lear was King of England and King Oberon and friends were having their Midsummer Night's Dream. This second group is stating that because these are bedrock historical truths, any history book that states things to the contrary should be burned.

Meanwhile, nobody is savoring the language, the rhythm, the imagery, the beauty...the glory that is Shakespere.

Wouldn't you consider the whole situation to be absurd? I know I would.

I feel the same way about these kinds of arguments about "faith" and "truth" and religion.



posted on Mar, 8 2010 @ 12:49 AM
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Silent Thunder, listen up for in this "Hamlet" we are all players and depending on where we place ourselves in the story or what role will we take will detirmine our eventual future for the story is at it's last episodes, it is about to end. The ending though is twofold - one tragic the other wonderfull. Which ending we end up with will depend on our own actions/reactions.

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posted on Mar, 8 2010 @ 03:08 AM
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In my opinion, and I have been raised Roman Catholic *gasp*, the story of God and Satan is strictly "inspirational interpretation". Eh, I'm no specialist on the topic and I haven't even read the better half of the Bible. So, I guess my opinion on the matter may not even have any importance what-so-ever. So, THAT bit of info aside...

After roughly a half hour of trying to find the perfect way to explain this…It is possible the point I want to make is that the Bible gives you a scenario. Within the scenario are certain points of interest that aren't exactly conclusive (Such as the creation of Satan without the deleting of Satan). Actually, now that I think about it...God did cast Satan into Hell, which is rather excluded from Earth. So, in the story there is a bit of "right doing" if you will, even though God never permanently extinguishes Satan. Basically, the whole time God is there, Satan is also there. In a way, it might make people think about the good and bad of everything. ALSO, and probably the best point of my thoughts, here: If God would just simply get rid of Satan...It would very much so present to you the statement that God will do EVERYTHING for you. I don’t know God, but it might have been a way of his thinking if he’s real. Basically, without destroying Satan, God leaves it up to you to find the "strength" in yourself to further cast Satan from your everyday routine as to empower you with the faith of your religion. I guess for followers of the Christian belief it's maybe easier to see the idea of it since we've been exposed to our whole life. You know, we got the whole deal of what's going on from church and preschool (if you went to religious preschool) and night classes every Monday...oh joy (probably why I hate the topic of religion so much).

Sure, as the story goes there is a good side and bad side to everything. God, the good side (and the side Christians choose), is inspiration for any one of his followers. In a time of need, a true Christian could maybe pray but then use their own will to intervene and make right of wrong. May I choose the episode of an animated series to further explain my thoughts? In the episode of Futurama where Bender gets flung out of the torpedo bay of the Planet Express Cargo ship...he essentially becomes God to a tiny race of aliens who inhabit his body. The race of Aliens die, and Bender is humbled to the responsibilities. Well, at the end of the show he actually meets an interpretation of God. God, in the episode, said: "If you do too much, people get dependent on you. And if you do nothing, they lose hope." (The episode is number 52, 'Godfellas')

Unfortunately...my brain train is starting to derail slightly. I've got a headache and it's getting late...it's difficult to concentrate. I hope I helped shed any kind of light on the subject. Also, if it offers any more help, I was raised as Catholic but I am pretty open minded for my religion and how strict it normally is. I believe in God, and partially work within the confines of my religion..but at the same time I also believe in Necromancy, energy work, spirituality (of other sorts aside from Catholicism), forms of "real magick", the idea that men might be better off without religion(for reasons of misinterpretation), and a few other things in which the Christian faith deems "evil". So my opinion might help more than someone who's completely biased into the topic...but maybe not! Who am I to tell?

Anywho...I'm beat. That's all for now, and I hope I was able to help at least a little bit. I might be able to better explain something tomorrow...So, I will revisit tomorrow night if not before then.

EDIT/ADD!! -> Actually, after reading a couple responses just above my own, I realize that there really is no explanation from me that can truly be backed up by anything. Sorry...I just threw an opinion at you.

Possibly Useless Opinions: 1
Evidence-Backed Facts: 0


[edit on 3/8/2010 by philosearcher]



posted on Mar, 8 2010 @ 03:48 AM
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why not? why does it matter?no one knows the truth about anything besides 1+1=2. but even when you put math towards many things there still is not a yes or a no on the matter. that is were we get theory's. there is not one human being on this planet that knows the exact truth about the universe and all we can do is theorize and debate. faith is all the world has, even if some faith is blind, people have faith in science in religion and in each other. even blind faith can be a beautiful thing.

the main questions that has yet to be answered are; who are we? were did we come from? were are we going? and even if thou's questions are answered it brings up further questions. people need to learn that it does not matter what some one els believes in. it only matters to your self what 'you' believe in, what 'your' thoughts are. many christens worry to much about every one ells but so do atheists. so do celebrity. so does the news. its the teenager complex. we are so worried about what every one ells thinks of each other that it stuns our growth.

we were suppose to grow up at some point but we never seemed to leave a lot of our childish ways behind. no matter who is right it is all up to our selfs what is right and true in our own lives. i am what is considered a Christian and because of this i know that the most beautiful thing that God gave us and not even He can take away from us is free will.

i just spent the last 4 days arguing with a guy in an other thread about nonsense. what was the point. no matter what each of us said, nothing was going to change our views. it is worthless to try to change others and it is worthless to care what others think.

im white, your black, he is yellow and they are purple. but no matter what, we are all human and we all have to deal with the crap that life gives us.

so to answer your question.....
it does not matter.



posted on Mar, 8 2010 @ 06:39 AM
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"Religion" defined god. Without religion, you wouldn't be convinced god exists. You didn't wake up one day, after never hearing about god from anyone, and suddenly think he exists, in the exact same way Christians do.

"God" is a human construct. You just happen to want to believe in him so much that you conveniently ignore that, and elevate him to the creator, and pretend that you didn't hear about god from people first.



posted on Mar, 8 2010 @ 07:54 PM
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The rebellion in the Garden of Eden raised the following important issues.
These are:
1) Jehovah God’s /Yahweh’s right to rule over his creations was put into question.
2) His name was besmirched by being accused of lying.
3) That mankind has no need for God. That they can decide on their own – what is good and what is bad.
4) That if left alone mankind can survive on their own.
5) That Satan’s challenge was true. That he can guide mankind successfully w/o God.

The issues were expanded further during the time of a man called Job. If you are not familiar with the story I encourage you to read it. It’s fascinating as the story is directly related to what happened in the Garden of Eden. That is:

6) Satan accused God of bribery, that Job or for that matter man will only serve God because of the things that Jehovah God provides. He challenged God that if he takes away all the material things Job or man will abandon and curse him.
7) That if allowed Satan can turn anyone against God.
8) That if allowed to test man, he will abandon his loyalty to God. In other words if put under test there’s no man alive will ever remain loyal to Jehovah God.
9) He accused man as a selfish being. He accused God of being a selfish God not worthy of any praise.
So the gauntlet was cast in front of all – from heaven and from earth. Do all of these accusations and challenges true? If this was you what would you do? Will you destroy your accuser and let the questions remained unanswered? What would you do if your neighbor accused you of an unworthy father in front of your children?
Yes to settle the matter once in for all, with his wisdom, Jehovah God allowed time to pass in order to answer the lies and accusations against him and against all his creations.
So Jehovah God allowed man to formulate his own government. He also allowed Satan and other rebellious angels (demons) to go on with their challenge. God allowed man to come up with his type of worship or his own religion – from worshipping the created, from worshipping idols, all things underneath the sun. He allowed man to progress to the fullest of his ability even learning the secrets of the atom and life itself (dna). How much more do we need to advance before it’s too late?
Now the verdict – it’s more than 6000 years now since the rebellion – how’s mankind so far? The jurors of the court have delivered their verdict – TOTAL FAILURE. Instead peace and security for all, the world ever since the rebellion are in pieces with no true security. If left alone further, he will destroy himself and the world. Will mankind survive another world war – WWIII? What about sickness, hunger, poverty, crimes, rise of violence, hopelessness, etc these in spite of the advancements in technology, medicine, agriculture, education, com, etc. Can ANY government on earth TODAY bring lasting peace to man, remove hunger, cure the sick, stop crime, pollution? How about greed, badness in man’s heart? Yes, the verdict is clear – Satan’s challenge and accusations are pure lie. It has been proven time and time again. He tested faithful men – no matter how severe the test was/is they never compromised their integrity to God. Are you one of the loyal servant’s of God? You will be tested by Satan. In fact there’s no going around this test – whether you are a believer or not your response to this universal issue will mean your survival when God will finally PUT AND END to all of these madness. Think about this too, God endured for thousands of years the badness on earth, he has longed in his heart like a mother with a suffering child will do anything to remedy the pain. Here’s just one of his promises: “And in the days of those kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed, nor shall the sovereignty thereof be left to another people; but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever. (Dan 2:44)"
Next what will happen in the near



posted on Mar, 17 2010 @ 01:51 PM
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In a nutshell to answer your OP:

You cannot show the world your perfect goodness without perfect evil to contrast it. You cannot display your mercy if there is no judgment that awaits.

Try to put yourself in God's shoes, if you can for a second. if you had a plan to create man, and to display your perfect goodness how would you accomplish it without the opposite in existence? It would be impossible.



posted on Mar, 17 2010 @ 04:57 PM
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What you are questioning is actually Roman Doctrine or Roman Catholicism and Not the Teachings of J.C.

Sadly today... Christianity is mistaken for Roman Catholicism...

And is totally Miss Represented by the churches of today...

The Teachings of J.C. through the Carpenter, you call Jesus today had nothing at all to do with what people follow today...

Neither was The Roman Church, Catholic Church, or any other denomination, ever mentioned in The Carpenters Teachings...

Neither Did Jesus ever make mention of a bible being produced by the Roman church...

Even though it would be history after The Carpenter, if He knew All things then WHY did he Not make Mention of the bible or Roman church or Roman Catholicism ???

Something is Not quite right is it ???

The followers of the carpenter were being fed to the lions by the Romans, and murdered, so the true knowledge went underground and still exists with a minority today....

The Roman church hates and detests these people, and desire to stamp out the original teachings of the Carpenter....

Sadly the people today put their trust in Religious teachers...

But the Carpenter said,

"Let NOT you put your trust in anyone except The Father Only."

So what is being done today, is the OPPOSITE to his teachings.

The Teachings of the Carpenter, had Nothing at all to do with Good & Evil as people relate to or preach today.

To understand better you need to dig deeper.... to find out what was really being taught, Not what is taught by Roman Doctrine that is fed out through all denominations today...


[edit on 17-3-2010 by The Matrix Traveller]



posted on Mar, 20 2010 @ 09:57 PM
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Perhaps God wanted to give Satan a possible chance to repent and turn from his ways?

What kind of love would you have without faith? You would love Him for the wrong reasons if everything were to be laid out to you before your eyes and it would completely take away the aspect of having a relationship with God and you would choose to worship him because you would know "If I don't do this, I will DEFINITELY goto hell, so I will worship him for that" rather than out of the love of your heart because it hurts you knowing that each time you sin you are putting Christ back on the cross.

Faith - the hope of objects yet to be seen.

What about evolution? Plenty of flaws in that theory yet you choose to believe BY FAITH that it is correct because you don't want to humble yourself down to accept that it is possible that there is an almighty God whom has proven himself.

Just try having faith from your heart, you'd be surprised at how He will show Himself to you if you truly mean it.



posted on Mar, 20 2010 @ 10:12 PM
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Originally posted by XxRagingxPandaxX
Hello ATS, I have a challenge for all the Christians out there,
this one goes out to all the Christians out there.
Why doesn't god just destroy Satan?


If god is all powerful. why doesn't he just destroy Satan? To end all the suffering that is going on in the world right now?

And another thing that is stumping me about Christianity, Why if faith a good thing? because I don't think it is. I'll have these long arguments with Christians and at the end of it all it is impossible to win, because you can take every defense away from them but their faith. At the end they'll just get say "you have to have faith"

My definition of Faith, Faith- Blindly believing in something, capable of causing mass delusion. pessimistic I guess but thats how I look at it, anyway just wondering what all the Christians had to say about that.



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Panda,

I haven't read what others have posted, so I'll post my thoughts.

God WILL destroy Satan. Why hasn't he yet? I couldn't tell you. I'm not going to make some crazy stuff up, honestly...I just don't know. I do know God is perfect and everything is in His timing. But what you have to understand is that God is good and only Satan kills, steals and destroys. Also, man ourselves are very capable of destroying each other through wars, man made disease, etc. But at some point in time this all will end and Jesus Christ will reign on this Earth in peace. God gives us a choice to follow Him or reject Him, the same thing applies to Faith. God isn't going to twist your arm so that you will praise and worship Him.

Faith- is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Every one of us has faith, whether you believe in Jesus Christ or not. Faith is important because it is the vary essence of what we believe in. Without Faith, I would have never been healed by Jesus. I would still have knee pain and wouldn't be able to run, but Jesus touched me and now I can. Without Faith, when the doctors said I developed cancer from Depleted Uranium in Iraq and would die I could have believe that, or believed the words God spoke. For by His stripes WE ARE HEALED, and I stood on faith and His word and I have no cancer in my body.

Some Christians give all of us a bad name, just like anything else. But I don't believe in "religion", I believe in the teaching of Jesus Christ, God's Holy word in the Bible and the baptism of The Holy Spirit. I don't see "religion"; Catholic, Baptist, Pentecostal, whatever...but I do see a hurting world that is in need of Jesus Christ.



posted on Mar, 21 2010 @ 12:38 AM
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Totally agree - satan is a dead man walking, and he knows this. God has already tried, judged and sentenced him. But he won't get to lounge around on Death Row for 11 years draining tax payer's money.



And true, as well, on the entire "religion" label - mankind is responsible for creating all of these other "religions" - and that has caused alot of society to get a bad taste in their mouths for so called "Christians".

I follow the Bible, and God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost. And I personally feel that satan is the homeowner of the Roman Catholic church - and runs the other "religions" from his office there.



posted on Mar, 21 2010 @ 01:36 AM
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Apply a purpose to life.

= The purpose is to progress =


... next, give a choice to the people living life...

1. Prosper physically and enjoy sporadic random waves of happiness with uncertainty of the future. Survive, think of yourself and the things you loves but know they will all one day go away.
or
2. Prosper spiritually and follow rules, morals and guidelines in hopes to escape the physical with the promise of constant happiness and the gift of anything you can dream. (There's a catch though... if I am going to give you this choice or illusion of choice/free will... YOU have to learn to prosper this way on your own. Others beyond you can help out, but ultimately you are the one transcending this dream I've placed you in.

... then apply hardships, struggles, rewards, guidance and... err.. reword this!

Hit the "GO!" button on a souls life by placing it into a vessel.


Ultimately, we could create a computer game with the same basis. Each character has to advance. You can beat the game, or get rich and rule the world but not play to the end. Compare our souls to character being run through a trial.(life) The same hardships (Satan for instance) would stand against the players/souls/characters in the trial. You ask why God doesn't just remove Satan?

Why would God take out an obstacle for us to learn from and conquer on our own. Despite some of the people on this planet who live life for no purpose other than to live... some of us are trying to understand how to get to the next level and believe it is possible and has been done before. If you can apply the purpose of progression to your life (spiritually) with the idea that there is something better, you can understand that everything that happens occurs to benefit that purpose. The bad, the good, the evil, the beginning, and the end.... It's all happening for each individual soul to excel. It all happens for a reason. Faith is simply believing in the purpose or reason. God is what created this life and put your soul into your vessel. God is what connects us.

The difference between science and religion is spiritual vs physical, faith vs fact. What intrigues me is that science itself seems to be stumbling into the idea that God could be fact.

But yeah, regardless of the overkill of info in that response, that's my answer to your question OP.



posted on Mar, 21 2010 @ 01:38 AM
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BINGO....

Note the Word news... regading the Catholic Church and Child abuse....

Not really what was taught by J.C.

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posted on Mar, 21 2010 @ 04:55 AM
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This is from the Holy Quran - as to why Satan was kicked out of Heaven, but also was granted respite from Allah the Omnipotent!



Here are some of the Quranic verses that make the boundaries of the portrait more defined:

And behold, We said to the angels: “Bow down to Adam” and they bowed down. Not so Iblis (Satan): he refused and was haughty: he was of those who reject Faith. (2: 34)

It is We Who created you and gave you shape; then We bade the angels bow down to Adam, and they bowed down; not so Iblis; He refused to be of those who bow down. (God) said: “What prevented thee from bowing down when I commanded thee?” He said: “I am better than he: Thou didst create me from fire, and him from clay.” (God) said: “Get thee down from this: it is not for thee to be arrogant here: get out, for thou art of the meanest (of creatures).” (7: 11–13)

Behold! We said to the angels: “Prostrate unto Adam”: They prostrated except Iblis (Satan): He said, “Shall I prostrate to one whom Thou didst create from clay?” He said: “Seest Thou? This is the one whom Thou hast honoured above me! If Thou wilt but respite me to the Day of Judgment, I will surely bring his descendants under my sway – all but a few!” (17: 61–62)

Going through these verses would suffice to draw a clear picture of Satan’s character. It is that of an arrogant creature that thinks highly of his physical fibre, so much so that he rebels against the will of God when he perceives that it clashes with the intrinsic conceited tendency of his character. Not only this, he seems bent on facing the consequences of his rebellion and not bothering about his fate, only to keep his “pride”.




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