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posted on Mar, 4 2010 @ 03:09 PM
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I did not mean to try and derail. Apology given.

I was trying to show that most of America 80% by most polls, feel our government is getting WAY to big for it's britches.

I may rail, but I am well intentioned. I have also talked with many of my local LEO's, they know how I feel and they actually appreciate my positions and willingness to go in and talk with them about it.

Of course I live in an area now that is totally different, being mostly rural and violent crimes and such are pretty low compared to other areas.

I moved back from Fresno recently and I am sorry, the interaction I had over there with police-random check points, reporting numerous break ins into private residences(I was a super in construction) and the contacts I had there were NOT helpful in anyway. The police actually had the GALL to offer my company to have off duty police officers patrol, FOR A NOT SO SMALL NOMINAL FEE!

Again, sorry to derail.




posted on Mar, 4 2010 @ 03:09 PM
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@JWH44, you've failed to address the "Us vs Them" mentality I originaly introduced and that others continue to bring to your attention. Moreover, you've yet to tell any of us what police officers themselves can do to improve the relationship between law enforcement and citizen.



posted on Mar, 4 2010 @ 03:11 PM
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I think your right. I don't thik it's fair to profile police officers based off of a few incidents. It's not fair to the rest of the law enforcement agencies and others that apply.

Now substitute Police Officers with Civilians.
From my understanding we get profiled every day by police officers.

Peace!



posted on Mar, 4 2010 @ 03:11 PM
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I can't say my personal experience has been all that great. I've never been convicted and don't ike putting myself in situations where I could get into trouble. That said my personal experience is just that and though I get angry at what I see posted here sometimes I don't think the entire law enforcement should be tarred.

I think its a courageous move putting yourself out in the open like this and hope you act similarly in your professional life but like you mentioned the jaded mindset. My generation is also jaded on police officers (Though I have met a few wondeful officers, worthy of their authority).

I feel it has more to do with some of the laws in place that you must enforce despite any personal (private citizen) beliefs to the contrary. The world is becoming humourless and freedom is being traded for stability (in some cases, warranted). I get anxious when I meet a police officer on the street or a R.I.D.E program not because I am hiding something but because I feel like I am rodent in an open field with a falcon dogging me. It's not a nice feeling to be looked at and spoken too as if I am a filthy criminal who just hasn't been caught yet.

It's a tough job, harder than I could ever imagine I suspect, but at the same time, the law enforcement is part of society and I feel both civilians and the police need to make a better effort in fostering good relations.

Excellent topic btw.

Cheers



posted on Mar, 4 2010 @ 03:12 PM
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Sorry, but I don't buy it. I'm of the opinion that it's a certain personality profile that gravitates towards that type of profession. Anyone that needs to be in a position of authority over another and operates under a seperated set of laws, a blue code as it were is a flawed personality type. Be honest, tell me that you don't revel in your super citizen status.
Perhaps if we didn't see you and yours down at the pub tanking it up and then driving home, while the next day you arrest a citizen for the same stupidity. Perhaps if you didn't so thouroughly enjoy a blanket double standard.
Sir, you took an oath to uphold the constitution and then you and your other blue code buddies trash it on a daily basis while you parade all over our rights. And you wonder why we are filled up to the throat with disgust. How dare you come on here and whine about the feelings that you and yours have engendered in society. If you want some catharsis then take a good hard look In the mirror, have a little discernment, read the constitution and then ask yourself how far you and yours have enabled this brink.
You stood complacent while the heart was ripped out of our society and for what, another budget increase? I can't speak for others here, all I know is how high my level of disgust has risen. I'm disgusted with myself as well.
We had a great nation once, a noble ideal and we are witnessing it's demise. You sir, are an agent of that machine that brought us to this place where we are afraid. I am preparing for the worst case scenario hoping that that day never rolls around. You don't have my thanks for a job well done, so any enmity you feel in my opinion is justly deser ved.

YouSir



posted on Mar, 4 2010 @ 03:13 PM
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While I respect and admire your post I think I need to point out what I see as a very justifiable reason for the anger that you witness here.

Cops are and should be held to a far higher standard than any other profession because they are entrusted with much more, included the power to end lives given carefully considered circumstances. It should not be a surprise when people become, even if unreasonably, judgmental and sensitive to those cases of corruption that get so much attention. And the reason is, when it comes to moral authorities corruption equals incompetence, because how can a person uphold the law, be it the law of "God" or law enforcement if they themselves are unable to follow it. For this reason cops and priests are justifiably held to a higher standard than other people. You can be an A-HOLE doctor who cheats on her husband and hates minorities and still be very good at doing your work, because there is at least a boundary, not so for cops or priests, because their work IS upholding a moral code.

With that said, it is embarrassing that the pay of some public officials, including teachers and police, is not in line with the tremendous trust we put in them, and if it was I could see how the best talent could be rewarded and retained while getting rid of the worst. This is what works in other professions, and unfortunately some public professions lag behind in this area.

-rrr



posted on Mar, 4 2010 @ 03:13 PM
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I give respect to the law where it is earned, and know some good officers. Even though my townships police department has been corrupt for many years and is now under investigation by the county. Their corruption has affected me personally involving the death of a friend and I resent them for that. But I don't go around calling cops pigs or murderers. It's like that old saying, "There can not be light without darkness." Good and evil exists in everything, and it's a shame when a few of the evil doers make a bad name for the rest. I respect your post and understand your frustration.

S&F



posted on Mar, 4 2010 @ 03:14 PM
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I didnt mean it in the literal sense of not posting things that may be disturbing or negative to some, I meant only those who pick on individual posters for the sake of being a dick. I would never want to not know of something awful taking place, but its the way its presented and discussed. If we stick to the facts and keep it civil, the more sensitive posters on here wont get frustrated and turn a good thread into an all out preschool flame fest.



posted on Mar, 4 2010 @ 03:14 PM
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So basically you're reverse lumping us into authority haters, but without giving us proper credence for our mistrust and fear of said authority.

Nice.

You're also negating, completely, your point of view coming from the side of authority, and that your sympathies will lay there first.

Let me put it to you this way. In 2 decades I've never met a local or federal authority act out of character per the hateful stereotypes pasted around the ATS and other forums.

Not 1.

I've lived from coast to coast, and unlike many I'm actually very active with my local police wherever I live. I see the depths they're capable of either from complete apathy, or simply from total ignorance of the laws they're sworn to uphold.

Either of those things can be dangerous to a citizen, and are criminal, nevermind any sort of deliberate corruption undertaken by these folks.

I don't even dawdle into the realm of the corrupt as there is so much criminal negligence on the part of law enforcement it's a full time job for a citizen just to constantly report it back to them.

They don't appreciate it, despite how much the Captains smile and say they're working on it. In one ear, out the other.

Now you come to ATS to tell us your feelings on it? Fantastic. Feel better? I hope so.

You have your view of it, great. Why should we care? You and your peers were placed in power to uphold laws, to protect us, not to persecute us needlessly.

It's something you've clearly not shown an understanding of in your lengthy diatribe, and something your contemporaries at all levels across our country understand.

I have no sympathy for police. I don't care that they become jaded, and begin to loath those they're meant to protect. I care about being safe and protected from my own country though, and I shouldn't have to. I shouldn't have to worry about my local police only caring about revenue from traffic violations, but allowing the quality of life in my city to falter to such a degree that other crime is sparked, and so a downward spiral begins. But I do.

I shouldn't have to worry that my own government feels that it's OK or needed to spy on citizens to maintain itself, that it uses and abuses federal law enforcement against citizens who are unhappy with things in our country. It's a good thing there was no such things in place during the revolution or England would've quickly, and quietly, wiped out the founding fathers- and that's something you can't deny.

I'm sure there are good people in positions of authority, there are always a few, and I actually know some, but even they show signs of wear and tear mentally. I, personally, cannot, will not trust any of them.

You, and your peers, have made your bed. You've abused the RIGHT to come before the citizens of the United States and ask for our sympathy, and yet you do. Why? Clean your house, then come talk to US. Until that is done, you are not worthy of my money, of my sympathy, of anything other than my contempt, which I hope you enjoy and perhaps reflect upon.



posted on Mar, 4 2010 @ 03:15 PM
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Im getting sick of reading these emotional rattlings from unstable government employees....you cash the cheque, the system is corrupt and everyone who works for it!
Whats not to see? The legal system is a scam and so is the people that make it run.(YOU)
When the # comes down no "Cops" better be around me or my family.
Dont need them... never have, never will.
You want to do the right thing?
Quit..."Just because your riding the garbage truck, doesnt mean you have to go all the way to the dump".
Then you have the nerve to say you have pics? Oh I see.. those pictures that can get us arrested while you and your bro's fill up there computers with everything from child porn to murder, yes please show us what were "Allowed" to see. You people have abused your power long enough
"LONG LIVE THE FREEMAN"

[edit on 4-3-2010 by colt122]



posted on Mar, 4 2010 @ 03:17 PM
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I said earlier I had a friend who taught ethics in the police academy. He showed my group of youth this video that he uses to teach with that demonstrated the degree of respect, patience and tolerance that officers should strive for. I'm sure you have seen this one before. I think its hilarious.

It was his belief that officers should just let belligerence role off their backs. Because they are trained to deal with this kind of thing professionally as one of their duties. I don't condone the guy in the truck, but rather commend the trooper for his conduct.




posted on Mar, 4 2010 @ 03:20 PM
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Yeah [snip] policemen. 50% Are not assholes. But 50% are. Maybe it is because they have to deal with asshole criminals that bring them down to an asshole level. But, it was said - power breeds corruption. You take a cashier at mcdonalds and tell that cashier they are in charge of customer complaints, and can give out free food to unsatisfied customers. That cashier would consider themself a God. And abuse the system. It's like a team, a hockey team...football team. Your fellow squad is your team. You stand up for them if your one of them. I seen two cops at a bus station tossing pennies on the ground and telling a homeless man to pick them up a few months back...seriously? And it's an easy way out. You can be stupid as hell and be a cop. And you have a full pension plan. All you have to do is be physically fit and little bit of book work. I know the stupidest [snip] people that become cops. I think the smartcop would be the police of the future just like the smart soldier. Someone armed with a gun that has the ability to be intellectual about a situation.

 


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[edit on 4/3/10 by masqua]



posted on Mar, 4 2010 @ 03:23 PM
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As I mentioned, it is one of the hardest obstacles to overcome. By the very nature of our work, we fall into that mindset. How do we overcome it? I can't get into the specific nature of the interviews, but my agency in this station has adopted the practice of actively seeking out on duty, intel gathering encounters. Basically, our agents will make contact with local residents, outline what it is that we do and are trying to accomplish and then seek input from the citizens conerning illegal activity they may be aware of, ideas for improving our relations with the community, etc. Magagement at my agency realizes that the citizens in the community can be the best source of pro active intelligence that we can come across. We hand out contact information to the public and offer to address their concerns and answer their questions.

This way, we are more likely to hear from them when things are out of the ordinary in their community. We try to build their trust by being involved with them at the community level.



posted on Mar, 4 2010 @ 03:25 PM
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When I see or hear of a policeman arrest another policeman for breaking the law I will be convinced.

Are police supposed to arrest a fellow officer if they break the law?

Because I have no doubt that police break the law with other police present, if a police officer witnesses a crime committed by another police officer then does nothing then he is complicit by association. These are the rules get used to it.

If a police officer witnesses a crime and does not attempt to bring the perpetrator to justice then he should hand in his badge or face the consequences when they come.

May common sense reign.



posted on Mar, 4 2010 @ 03:28 PM
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Amen. I miss him and would love to hear his guidance in this unsettled day.

A friend of mine met him years ago, did some writing for Veritas, and said he was a real stand-up guy, so to speak of course.

I was glad he reunited with his daughter before his killing. That was a welcome mercy in an otherwise hard life.




Originally posted by fianna
RIP Bill Cooper - gun downed by a cop.

[edit on 4-3-2010 by fianna]



posted on Mar, 4 2010 @ 03:30 PM
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dependency is a form of control.

so let me get this straight. We are literally FORCED to depend on you. any other option has little by little made illegal. and then you expect us to be grateful?

i mean its not that im not grateful for service, but its not like we have an alternative. how grateful are we supposed to be? i dont remember asking you to take the position, from what i understand that was a choice YOU made.

so if you joined expecting people to be controlled with big grins on their faces, no matter how good and honorable you may be, your in for a rude awakening.

simply put, families have taken care of themselves for eons.



posted on Mar, 4 2010 @ 03:31 PM
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Thats the thing, you want us to help you out with your job. Stop asking us to fill out paper work that may give you leads on criminal activity.
Why not give us paper work to fill out that explains how you can better your police force. Maybe we can make a list of what is wrong with the force, the system and the people who work for it.
I thought you guys are suppose to protect and to serve the people while upholding the law?
Why do you ask us to help the police in finding criminals?

Peace!



posted on Mar, 4 2010 @ 03:31 PM
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in russia there is a saying:
when a woman fails she becomes a prostitute
when a man fails he becomes a cop



posted on Mar, 4 2010 @ 03:32 PM
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Originally posted by colt122
Im getting sick of reading these emotional rattlings from unstable government employees....you cash the cheque, the system is corrupt and everyone who works for it!
Whats not to see? The legal system is a scam and so is the people that make it run.(YOU)
When the # comes down no "Cops" better be around me or my family.
Dont need them... never have, never will.
You want to do the right thing?
Quit..."Just because your riding the garbage truck, doesnt mean you have to go all the way to the dump".
Then you have the nerve to say you have pics? Oh I see.. those pictures that can get us arrested while you and your bro's fill up there computers with everything from child porn to murder, yes please show us what were "Allowed" to see. You people have abused your power long enough
"LONG LIVE THE FREEMAN"

[edit on 4-3-2010 by colt122]


Seriously? You're going to attack crime scene pictures I have? What kind of pictures are you talking about that could get you arrested? Child porn? What are you talking about?



posted on Mar, 4 2010 @ 03:32 PM
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I find it a little funny. If you ask me if everybody did hate cops wouldn't that be what the Gov. would want. If everybody hates to see them coming enough. They'll make sure not to mess up so it brings him round.
Everything is as it should be, nothing to see here.





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