DNA PROOF Jews NOT Semites!!!

reply to post by letthereaderunderstand


jewelry was removed before they went in the "showers" as were gold teeth and anything else of value, to keep it from getting gummied up with the spittle, urine, vomit and feces that would naturally arise as people started dying enmasse from gas poisoning.

if they were being told they were being moved to a new location, no one would expect them to come back to their old neighborhoods.

I hate to break it to everyone, but the land will never be taken away from the Jews. They are there because God desires it. Trying to take the land from them is like a moth trying to destory a Mack truck by flying into it's grill...what a mess.

reply to post by Shalzie


Well suppose you were a Palestinian would you just sing the praises of the state of Israel.

I was under the opinion that this was a discussion about science - Genetics. Now it has been hijacked to the usual Pro/anti Israel stance. Well American s were at one time a bunch of terrorists so perhaps you could brew a few pots of coffee and perhaps some of your excellent apple pie and give us Brits back OUR country. I like a good strong brew but Folgers instant will do.

Perhaps you feel I have oversimplified the matter...

Seriouslythere is a terrible injustice that has been done by the jews who have obviously suffered through history.

Holocaust denial is low and also anti _american



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reply to post by letthereaderunderstand

You mean to tell me that Jews start disappearing and no one knows what is going on, not even the soldiers. You don't think people would start asking questions if the neighborhoods started disappearing, but would just blindly go off with them seeing as how their neighbors never came home?

Everybody knew what was going on because Nazis did not openly said - hey get on train , we going to slaughter as many as we can. It was declared to be work camps. So in your photos families are not separated (yet). People have their stuff (yet). They look worried because they think they are being forcefully relocated to work. Of course later news started to get through, thus you had several uprisings which could not succeed.
And they do not have any jewelery even in your photos. Look carefully - women do not have jewelery because Nazi law ordered Jews to surrender gold/silver/fur/radios and ctr.

reply to post by letthereaderunderstand


People answer your questions. You just don't like the answers so you refuse to see them.

Originally posted by Josephus23
reply to post by finemanm

 

No one on here hates Jews.

Could you please point to where you see this imagined hatred coming from?

The challenging of a people's right to exist and challenging their rightful claim to their ancestral home land is veiled hatred.

The only thing I see are people lodging VALID complaints against a state that is masquerading as a race that they have no reason to claim as their own.

Case in point. If you can trace the entire linage of a people to four women and is indicated in the article I sight, clearly they are a distinct homogeneous group. Further, the genetic evidence points to their rightful claim to the land upon which they have built a cosmopolitan nation where there was nothing more than rocks and sand. Additionally, just as someone who possesses a deed to land, the Jews in Israel possess a United Nations Resolution and the acceptance of virtually every nation on Earth as a recognized sovereign nation. Therefore, any challenge to the "existence" of the nation is nothing more than an attack on the people as a whole based upon their religious and ethnic background, i.e. racist.

Thus, in your response to me, you have adequately demonstrated your ignorant and racist position, nothing more needs to be said to address this point.

Or why do the many Israelis who wish to debate this issue never comment on my links to the many practicing JEWS who DO NOT support the state of Israel and accuse them of war crimes?

Your generalization is unmerited. Firstly, there is a group of religious Jews who believe that Israel should not exist until the messiah returns and brings them there. This is akin to the belief that evolution is untrue or that the earth is only 6,000 years old. Religious ignorance isn't unique to any one group, as all groups have "beliefs" that are unmerited based upon current and modern understand of the world.

Your rhetoric is not winning anyone over on this thread.

No one here hates you and no one here is anti-Semitic.

Get over it and try to formulate a better argument.

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I wish you were right, but I have been on this site for a while and I know better. There are many anti-Semites that hate me and my people in this site. It doesn't bother me. While you all spend your time trying to dig up obscure articles about the so call crimes committed by Israel, I am secure in who I am and I spend my time making a living and enjoying life. Come here once in a while for entertainment.

Perhaps this is a "better argument" for your consumption; however, I fear that you will be unable to truly understand or digest the information contained herein.

if there is a conspiratorial angle to all this, i'd be more inclined to believe the marxist jews were supporting the annihilation of the religious jews, knowing full well that they would be returned to their homeland, minus a few million religious "nutjobs" as people of faith are frequently called. the pagan jews jumped on the bandwagon because they viewed jehovah as a mean ole coot and wanted nothing to do with the practice of judaism. the end result was, only the very devout jews were sent to the concentration camps, along with a few kajillion protestants and a handful of catholics.

reply to post by ancient_wisdom


Israel is indeed a mighty military power to be reckoned with but do you honestly believe that that nation, against all odds, with so many nations of the world actively trying to annihilate them from the face of the planet is still standing strong on military power alone? You obviously don't know many of the details of all their battles, wars... It is God who keepeth Israel.. too bad for those who don't like it

reply to post by undo


Kajillions of protestants in concentration camps... hmm.. do you have ANY information to back up that bogus claim? Like a history book or generally accepted periodical?

Listen, WWII and the holocaust are proven, well studied incidents in our recent past. Its not like we need to decipher hieroglyphs to figure out what happened in Europe in the last century.

You need to move on to new and more relevant issues in society. Like why are there so many unemployed people or where are our taxes going, or why are we killing people in a war that cannot be won in a country 10,000 miles away that doesn't want us there.

At this moment I feel like the person between two blocks. On one side are the zionists on the other hand the holocaust deniers.

The problem with the article is that it does not give a simple answer to the question of identity that both factions want as a justification.

There is a lot of anti -semitism here not anti-zionism.

reply to post by finemanm


i should've inserted that it was removal of protestants and protestant churches via death in various ways, versus concentration camps. the papacy made friends with hitler, so i'm assuming he did so to save his own churches and supporters, but the protestants were dyed in the wool supporters of religious jews and in full disagreement with the papacy on pretty much everything. ya know......

to me it looks like one big game plan that was meant to end with the marxist jews owning israel, minus what they viewed as unevolved religious "nutjobs"

it helped that the muslims didn't like the religious jews anyway, and that the pagans didn't like jehovah or abrahamic religions in general.

reply to post by Josephus23


Now that you mention it, in an attempt to at least acknowledge that the taking of native american land was so wrong, the american indian lives in america as a separate nation. Granted not particularly on the same land that our ancestors held. And while no one can truly say that they have been compensated, many were bright enough to build casinos on their crappy pieces of land that the united states gave us. Guess what, there is still an issue but a great many of us are quite wealthy Perhaps this same solution might work for the Palestinian people. Instead of terrorizing the Jews who have a very clear very legal claim to the land regardless of their genetic material, they could build a casino and at least it would net them enough money to buy a really big bomb....... Of course if the Jews hold true to course they will preemptively bomb the site where the palestinians are buildig the bomb then the palestininians can whine to the rest of the world how the jews are so awful because they fight back.... OMG I'm so sorry truly I am I just keep forgetting how stupid I am

reply to post by letthereaderunderstand


So, which Nazi propaganda sight did you get these photos from? Next, you'll be tellling me that Hitler in truth took them to a health and they arent even actually dead, they just liked it so much that they have remained there to this day ....

Wouldn't everyone agree though that the world in general, as a whole should just simply be shared by everyone indescriminatly I mean especially over a piece of land, even in death the land is not yours, eventually you will deteriorate and become part of the earth we are still after all this time squabbling about. I understand that our geo-politcal system is flawed but like anything man made is not perfect but it really is BS. If (Speculating because i dont really know for sure) "Jews" and "Palestinians" share the same common ancestory then don't they both have a claim to the land. My 2 cents has anyone ever read the Isreal Lobby by anychance?

I would like to apologize for some of my comments on this thread... I am not beyond getting heated under the collar but that is no excuse... Sorry guys..

reply to post by Tiger5


haha this discussion about science genetics is in truth an end run around the true question which is who owns Israel? The reasoning of the thread is this IF the Jews aren't semitic ROFL how can they justify defending themselves against other people who are out to destroy them. You see, the palestininian people do not meerly want the land, they call for the annihilation of the jewish race. Israel has made many attempts to make peace it is always the palestinians or other arab nations that break it then when the jews kick their butts for them they whine how awful the jews are for not standing quietly while terrorists murder their children that is the truth

Originally posted by Tiger5
reply to post by letthereaderunderstand

 

Well We are now in the holocaust denial game are we? Now this has been debunked for so long. I really hate Nazis be the old school or just plain Neo Nazi.

Holocaust deniers are scum.

I am literally shaking with rage. Where on earth is your humanity??? No wonder we are cheerfully goin gto hell in a handcart. Read the two links below. And yes After the neo-Nazis get rid of the Jews they will surely come for most of humanity because we are not white!

www.nizkor.org...

www.searchlightmagazine.com...

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[edit on 3-3-2010 by Tiger5]

Emotions, do you understand why you are so easily led?

I never denied the Holocaust.

I believe a man who builds Gas Chambers, that the facilities used were not capable of gassing people due to his forensic evidence, but you have classified me a Neo-Nazi for looking at facts? Killing people is wrong, no matter who they are.

What about Darfur, or the Armenians? Why are not upset about those? Probably because you never hear of them, because they don't run the media.

Don't you see what is going on here and how your emotional strings are pulled to get you to do what they want? Hitler was financed by Jews. They had been working on the "Zionist" plan since 1881. Hitler was no mistake. Without Hitler, there would be no Israel wouldn't you agree?

Stop and ask yourself why you are so upset over something you had no part in and even feel you must defend it.

I never denied the Holocaust. I love Jews...besides it's never the peoples fault...it's the leaders.

You don't hate Germans for being German do you?

Peace

reply to post by Tiger5


Okay, as to giving you your country back NO . As to the so called injustices done by Israeli's Do you understand the word PREEMPTIVE?

Originally posted by Shalzie
reply to post by letthereaderunderstand

 

So, which Nazi propaganda sight did you get these photos from? Next, you'll be tellling me that Hitler in truth took them to a health and they arent even actually dead, they just liked it so much that they have remained there to this day ....

Good point!
For all we know, the people in the photos may have been told to put on a happy face or be shot!
I call Nazi propaganda on those photos too.

"The way a country is founded and the principles of its founders have a real effect on the way it evolves. And Israel's founding presents some real problems, especially in view of the current hysteria about terror. Terrorism was an integral part of Israel's founding, although the Israelis are forced to deny it. As far as I can determine, terror was used by all three Israeli military groups that later became the Israel Defense Forces – in ascending order of guilt, the Haganah, the Irgun and the Stern Gang. I hate, of course, to accuse anyone of terrorism because the term is so ill defined, so overused, and so fashionable. Entirely apart from the fact it has always been an integral, effective and accepted part of warfare, at least until very recently.

The situation came to a boil at the time of Israeli independence in 1948, with the Deir Yassin incident. In Deir Yassin, a village of about 1,000, roughly 250 people were massacred by elements of the Irgun and the Stern Gang. Menachem Begin was quoted as saying (although possibly not apprised of how bad it was) "accept my congratulations on this splendid conquest … As at Deir Yassin, so everywhere, we will attack and smite the enemy." This understandably caused widespread panic among the Palestinians, and roughly 650,000 left their land, and emigrated as refugees. Those people, and their descendants, feel the Jews effectively stole their land.

Begin (who, you'll recall, not only became prime minister, but actually won the Nobel Peace Prize) was also in back of the terror bombing of the King David Hotel in 1946. In fact, terror worked astoundingly well, and these two incidents were pivotal in the founding of Israel. The King David incident, combined with the kidnapping and execution of two innocent British soldiers in reprisal for the execution of several Jewish terrorists, directly caused the British to withdraw. Deir Yassin was instrumental in causing a convenient mass emigration of Arabs. Two huge problems solved.

At the same time, almost 600,000 Jews were forced or scared from their properties in Arab countries. Most came to Israel, and many wound up taking over the properties the Arabs vacated. This is used as a justification: Sure, we terrorized most local Arabs into leaving, but local Jews were scared into leaving from other countries … it all balances out. I suppose it does, but only if you treat humans like fungible commodities. The individual Arabs who were forced from Palestine, and their progeny, justifiably feel cheated, however. That's entirely apart from the fact that two wrongs don't make a right. And there is also something in the Bible, as I recall, about sowing the wind, and reaping the whirlwind..."
www.netanyahu.org...
Israel's moral legitimacy
Doug Casey May 23, 2002


I don't see anything about genetics NEEDING to matter about claims fact is Isreal is Isreal and if someone is going to change it there will be a fight like an earlier post said its like showing your an American by your DNA. Isreal was a political thing in my opinion and the claims to the land dont really matter if there is a strong opposing will to the contrary