9/11 Truth Movement Gaining Scientific Credibility, page 4

Originally posted by xxshadowfaxx
A building does not, and can not, collapse in on itself at free fall speed, from being hit by a plane, at the top. It is impossible

Who claimed WTC 1 and 2 fell at free fall speed? Watch the videos of them collapsing, it is very obvious the debris falling off the buildings is falling at free fall speed, the buildings are falling slower than free fall.

They never found the plane that hit the pentagon.

They have found bits, including 757 wheels, undercarriage, engines, the FDR etc. and have matched the DNA from the bodies and parts to passengers/crew from Flight 77

They never found the plane that crashed on the way to the white house.

they do not know where it was going for sure, and they found it at Shanksville, they also matched the DNA of all passengers and crew, except the 4 hijackers
www.dmort.org...

And building 7 wasn't even hit by anything at all,

Why ignore the damage done to it when parts of WTC 1 hit it?

So just another "truther" showing ignorance of what happened!

reply to post by dereks

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They have stated many times that the plane that hit the Pentagon was vaporized upon impact. Could you tell me how all that metal can be vaporized but leave body parts behind to identify?

I'd just like to hear your thoughts on that. That's the one question that bothers me. A simple explanation would definitely turn me around

How about it?

Here's one more thing that bothers me.

Ever played Microsoft Flight Simulator? Try flying a 747 at 500+mph at sea level. See how far you get.

[edit on 27-2-2010 by Semus]

reply to post by seethelight

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When people rely on engineers to tell them what to think, that is when the world is in the wrong lane and is about to crash.

Engineers can make their own political decision to say what ever they want, we all have the capability to analyse 9/11 ourselves, if we believe other wise then again the world is in the wrong lane and about to crash.



[edit on 27-2-2010 by oozyism]

reply to post by seethelight

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SHEESH. You quote about logic at the bottom of your postings, but you use completely false logic! You are assuming that the other possible 6 million engineers have studied the factual material of the 911 Truth Movement and rejected it. For your assumption to be true, the other 6 million would have to be against the 1000. Where are your statistics??? Who has polled the other engineers and gotten real information, not your assumption? Where is the 6 million-strong organization called, "Engineers for 911 Official Story"? Huh? Huh?

Also, please enlighten us as to how you discovered that RT is dismissed by "most rational folks," even at ATS?

Is this how you "role"? What are some of those wonderful facts that lead you away from being a truther?



Yes, acrually they do count.

What you have is 1000 people that claim to support a theory.

The US has about 1.3 million licensed Engineers.

It has millions more retired one.

So, I'll be generous and say there's 3 million in the US and another 3 million in the rest of the world (and I am being generous).

So, that movement AE9/11 has been able to record 1000 out of 6+ million.

If there was ANY evidence that 10s of thousands of engineers were on record supporting these theories (which there isn't) you might scratch 10%.

What you have now, if a small fraction of 1%.

That is undeniable.

You can assume that many more (some guessed amount that pulls you closer to 1%) believe, but you have no proof.

The proof you have says a fraction of 1%.

Why do I always have to explain the difference between evidence and faith to you guys?

In addition.

As you will see in ANY thread based on an RT source, most rational folks, even on ATS, discount their stories.

And guess what, most people that have been paying attention know that the Washington Times was, for years, one of the neo-con mouthpieces of choice.

And now, you guys are spreading them around as a credible source and as an example of the MSM. They are neither.

I used to be a truther, but I saw enough facts, actual facts, to realise that it's just a bunch of people trying to prove what they already believe.

That's not how I role.

reply to post by brygivrob

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Faith...faith is believing that a airplane can vaporize into molten globs, yet Satam Al Suqami's unblemished passport can float down for someone to pick up.

Faith is watching a freefall building take the path of most resistance and say it is caused by fire and magic

Originally posted by _BoneZ_
There was not enough wreckage at the pentagon to come close to proving a 757 hit there.

And you know that how? Source for that claim? Unless it is just something else you made up....

Even some truthers think people who claim a 757 did not hit the Pentagon are silly www.truthmove.org...

[edit on 27/2/10 by dereks]

Originally posted by seethelight
reply to post by _BoneZ_

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Sure I'll play this game.

Imagine Ron Paul ran for president and the same percentage of US residents voted for him as there are Engineers on record against the OS.

The US has 300M people.

That would mean Ron Paul would get less than 30 THOUSAND votes.


Imagine the laughter if he stood up the day after the election and said either of these things:

I got a significant number of votes.

I got a significant percentage of the vote.



People would say (justifiably) that he was delusional to say getting less than 30K votes in a national election was significant in ANY WAY.

To put that in perspective, Walter Mondale received 37Million votes.

This is a textbook case of "strawman argument". This isn't an election....this is a discussion based on numbers of who's coming forth with an educated opinion from the accepted professions regarding 911.

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