Originally posted by dereks
Originally posted by _BoneZ_
My source is all available images of the Pentagon and the witnesses that were there.
So you have no source for your claim, you ignore the physical evidence like other "truthers".
This is why the "truth" movement will not get anywhere, the "truthers" have no actual physical evidence of any sort of explosive or thermite being
used at the WTC, and totally ignore the physical evidence of the 757 that hit the Pentagon.
The one attempt to prove thermite was used at the WTC turned up paint, and they had to resort to a vanity press without peer review to get that
published, a vanity press that has been shown would publish anything if you paid them $800!
Really, this whole point of "evidence" is backward. The GOVERNMENT, that had the war criminals Bush and Cheney who invaded two of the wrong
countries and approved torture, and put a UNOCAL executive in charge in Afghanistan, and private mercenary forces with a track record of fraud in
charge of Afghanistan CLAIM that a two jets were sufficient to pull down three steel buildings.
The problem is, they sold off all the "EVIDENCE" -- i.e., the STEEL to China for less than a New Jersey scrap yard was offering. They did some tests
themselves -- but since they are the major suspects in the crime -- it's kind of a "he said -- she said" argument.
So you want to go with the word of a couple dozen war criminals and the NIST which at first DENIED that WTC 7 collapsed at near free-fall speeds, and
then admitted that they were lying, when a video came out and nobody in the press noticed that we had a NEW theory.
WE are told that Al Qaeda flew the planes -- but none of the suspects were on a PROVEN flight manifest. There was a FAX sent in of a flight manifest
to one of the terror suspects on trial -- but it was not accepted by the courts as an official document.
>> Seems might suspicious to me.
Here's what would happen, in a clear-cut case of the WTC falling from a plane striking it -- first, God would have to help, because it was designed
for a strike from three large planes. But it one section of it might collapse, and the curtain wall would peel away, breaking their vertical support,
and they main floors MIGHT collapse down, but it would look more like an umbrella flattening against it's metal pole. Eventually, the core MIGHT
break at some point when there is enough collapsed flooring pulling it off-center -- but it would bend, and then about 20 or 40 floors would lean the
building over, and it would lean on and crush at least a building or two. It would take over 60 seconds if not a few minutes to collapse this way.
There would be massive amounts of steel available for anyone to test. LOOK -- no aluminum and iron amalgams -- no molten steel anywhere.
There would not have been steel beams flying 600 feet. There would not be a huge plume above the building, but there would be a lot of dust -- just
not PYROCLASTIC dust -- the kind that's almost as fine as smoke from EXPLOSIONS.
The aluminum aircraft could NOT POSSIBLY cut the core of the building -- it would shred on impact with a steel support and MAYBE knock out an I-beam
There wouldn't be firemen reporting explosions in the basement, or security cameras that failed ON JUST ONE DAY -- EVERYWHERE. You know, like all the
cameras that got tape confiscated at the Pentagon -- where are those tapes, by the way?
>> We would not have had the head of the FAA destroy the radar records.
We would not have had someone talk about "pulling the building" -- unless you've set charges -- nobody can pull down a building that is on fire,
and nobody ever has, so you are trying to explain a term that means "demolish" with a term that Nobody in their right mind would do nor think of
doing in that situation.
You wouldn't have the engine of a plane miles away, if it slapped into the ground.
The transponders, which have a homing signal, would have been found quickly -- while the passports would not be found. But you would have a flight
manifest for EACH PLANE, that had SOMEONE on it that COULD have been the suspects -- where are those, I wonder?
The FBI would have followed the credit cards of the ALLEGED hijackers -- but they were not allowed to.
The Flight Recorders WOULD EITHER BE DESTROYED, or have the last few minutes. They ar NOT designed to lose the last two minutes -- the FIRST two
minutes MIGHT get ruined -- but not the last because that is how they are designed.
The 911 commission, would have started less than a month after the incident and it would not have said; "This was a whitewash from beginning to end
and we were misled."
>> I mean, if we create a MODEL of what SHOULD have happened on 911 and what EVIDENCE would look like -- I can't really think of very many things
that would resemble the MESS and the confusion, or WHY the Bush Government stalled at every turn.
The problem with NOT having a conspiracy for 9/11, is that there isn't much about it tha makes sense in the REAL WORLD. No building fell like any
building EVER has that did NOT have explosive charges in it. Nobody in the administration acted like they weren't involved in a cover up. I could go
on and on with all the things that SHOULD have happened if it were an attack, but this is getting old.