They Will Eventually Legalize Child Pornography

Well this goes back to a different era when Ms Harmon was a senior figure in the NCCL.

She must be deeply embarassed by this and lord knows all our MPs ar still smarting from the most recent scandal. Perhaps this is now being aired as the election is due in march.

Electioneering is a dirty business.

and the telegrah is called the "Torygraph". We need a new system.

T

reply to post by Emerald The Paradigm

This just goes to show you that once again the people at the top are pedophiles.

For those who are unaware, Harriet Harman is one of the UK MPs involved in the recent "Expenses Scandal" she had put in an expense claim whereby the tax payer paid for her husbands porn !!!! The idiotic woman should not even be in office.

Societies needs to grow up and stop burying their heads in the sand over this subject, it needs open mature discussion which frankly there appears to be more of here than in the public domain.

Above all else I believe that pedophilia although a criminal act (and rightly so) should be publicly investigated as to whether it is a mental illness or not.

In many countries Alcoholism is treated as an illness whereby the alcoholic gets support and treatment, much is known about the subject due to studies eg that it can run in families. So why no serious medical investigation as to why the pedophile acts the way he/she does ?

Could the truth really be that abusers act the way they do because they are themselves victims of this type of abuse ? If this is true then are we not dealing with an illness (perhaps a pandemic) that causes a crime ?

We currently have someone to blame, that is the abuser but if it is really true that the abuser is suffering from an illness of the mind, it makes it difficult to lay blame and confuses the reason to seek justice.

To my mind if you have centuries of sexual repression eventually something will have to give and the demon will have to be let loose, not unlike the situation with the Catholic Church and it's pedophile ring. Move this up a scale to an entire society being very confused or having feelings of guilt in relation to their natural urges and the suppression of them and it has to be time bomb waiting to go off.

Or am I talking out of my arse ?

I can't believe what i have just read? Harmen thinks pornographic pictures should or could be legal? I think it is absolutely proposterous!
What the hell is going on? Hell being the operative word! I guess this world is hell for some people and children now?
I can't write on here what i would see done to paedo's or anyone who has the inner tendancy to rob a child of it's childhood. Makes we wonder if NF is the right way forward?

reply to post by Emerald The Paradigm


Although I agree that this is disturbing I must question why you have only named some of the more prominent republicans in the claims of being sick men who liked kiddie porn...

That aside, I don't see it happening. People still have a line that they will stand behind. The government here in the U.S. is starting to see it. They are, at least a little, beginning to understand that if you push a people that they simply won't follow like zombies no matter how much flouride you put in their water supply.

Anyway, kid porn is not a party problem, it's a world problem. It will never be legalized.

Originally posted by tothetenthpower

Originally posted by TiredofControlFreaks
How about the case of the man who drew a pornographic cartoon of a child?

He should get counseling...but cartoons aren't real life, look at Hentai in japan, it's a big business...

How about the case of a man who wrote stories with a pedaphilic theme?

I've never really seen any of these, but if they are stories, without pictures, then there's plenty of that all ready, again, look at hentai.

How about the multitude of cases where parents take pictures of their naked children because they think its cute, funny or just so heartbreakingly beautiful?

Obviously we have to use common sense and not waste the legal system's times with this moronic issue.

How about artists who paint pictures of naked child angels?

Religion alreadyh as a problem with pedophilia, and I don't think they draw them having sex...which is what child pornography is...

How about the cases of 16 year old boys taking pictures of their 15 year old girlfriends?

If we had cell phones 30 years ago, we'd be doing the same thing. Let kids be kids, so long as they aren't taken advantage of. You can't stop teenagers from having sex, all you can do is educate them.

How about the cases of teenagers sexting?

What a joke, they use to phone sex, now they just use words. Read the answer above.

Any and all of these cases fit the description of not having harmed a child but people were charged and their lives were destroyed by the charge!

Again, common sense people...

Was it that hard of a question to answer by yourself?

~Keeper

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
Amen to that friend!

These scum don't deserve a fair trial by their peers as far as I am concerned. Walk the plank with these ones, so to speak.

~Keeper

Now the lady in question said that only if it can be proven a child is harmed should these things be illegal.

Sounds like you're whipping the horse before you know where it's headed..

I havent seen much detail about this but I would imagine she is trying to make a stand against the crazy and overblown political correctness and alarmism in the UK about naked images of children (Brasseye anyone?!).

The current state of affairs pushes you to be guilty over nothing....you see a child at a swimming pool getting changed - Oh I must be a paedo because I've seen a naked child, quick, avert your eyes!!

Should the cover of the Led Zeppelin album be banned? Is Nirvana's Nevermind cover indecent? Are videos of childbirth (and hence a naked baby) child porn? None of these are sexually explicit but they are deemed to be by law.

There is a lot of room for clarification about this subject and implementing the law. Lots of people on here complaining would be the first to shout "political correctness gone mad"....this is not proof that world leaders are paedos, it is much needed revision of existing laws. Distinction between a naked picture and sexually explicit needs to be made.

I have to state that I am not an apologist of the government in the UK (far from it).

Changing a legal age of consent. Are we suggesting now that countries with lower age of consent are nations of paedophiles? Would you rather be ignorant and pretend that most people in the UK don't lose their virginity before the legal age of consent?

And this is being reported by the Telegraph, they are not exactly neutral in their political standing.

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It's inevitable, check history. The more advanced a society gets the more free time they have. We get into trouble when life becomes easier. I remember a 100 year old time capsule opened in Detroit Michigan. The mayors big question and hope was that we grew in righteousness. I had to shake my head. How could we go from a mayors hope and prayer that we grow in righteousness to allowing a group like mambla (man,boy love) to exsist.

It's terrifing to me. What world am I leaving my children?

reply to post by Emerald The Paradigm


What the hell! I hate this women i really do, for a long time she's been on the wrong side of most things but this is just across the line. When i read the title of this thread i thought maybe it was blown out of proportion, maybe she was defending the rights of parents to have pictures of their children for example. But no she actualy defended sexually explicit pictures of children?

No this should not be legalised because it's to easy to abuse such a law.

Originally posted by moocowman
Societies needs to grow up and stop burying their heads in the sand over this subject, it needs open mature discussion which frankly there appears to be more of here than in the public domain.

It is very difficult to discuss it because people start accusing each other of being paedophiles. It makes people to scared to discuss it.

Originally posted by moocowman
Above all else I believe that pedophilia although a criminal act (and rightly so) should be publicly investigated as to whether it is a mental illness or not.

From all of the research i have read there are several proposed causes but the leading one appears to be a form of sexual retardation. When you are say 10 years old you start noticing girls/boys in a different way, of course some people develop earlier and later. Most of us, as we get older find our peers attractive, people within a few years of ourselves. Paedophiles seem to get stuck in that first phase of attraction.

Originally posted by moocowman
In many countries Alcoholism is treated as an illness whereby the alcoholic gets support and treatment, much is known about the subject due to studies eg that it can run in families. So why no serious medical investigation as to why the pedophile acts the way he/she does ?

There has been a great deal of medical investigation including psychological exams, brain scans and many other things. The research is out there if you look.

Originally posted by moocowman
Could the truth really be that abusers act the way they do because they are themselves victims of this type of abuse ? If this is true then are we not dealing with an illness (perhaps a pandemic) that causes a crime ?

It has been said that the abuse of a child can lead to the sexual retardation mentioned previously. However many paedophiles are not abused and yet still have an attraction to children.

Originally posted by moocowman
We currently have someone to blame, that is the abuser but if it is really true that the abuser is suffering from an illness of the mind, it makes it difficult to lay blame and confuses the reason to seek justice.

It's not an illness though, sexual retardation is a permanent state, it cannot be fixed. It's like trying to fix homosexuality! These people, if they act upon their desires need to be locked up, for life, end of story because once they cross that line they will do it again.

Originally posted by moocowman
Or am I talking out of my arse ?

I wouldn't say that, i'd just say you haven't done enough research.

God help us as a society if they do,We would be just like Greece and the Roman Empire!

Originally posted by Emerald The ParadigmSociety will keep going downhill until a LINE is drawn

This is a very sad thread, makes me very angry at what's going on in our world today. What your above quote is very true unfortunately.

Our children need to be protected, people in offices who support vile acts of child abuse like child pornography needs to go, they have no place in any public office.

This is something along the lines of what a couple of Norwegian politicians wanted a few years ago. The sexual consent age here is sixteen. (Already pretty low IMO, especially after living in the US most of my life.) They wanted to pull that age down to fourteen! That's way too young and I don't think it's a good idea at all.

Let's hope these sick bastards around the world get exposed for what they are and lose any policy making power they have.

FK

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North Carolina's age of consent I believe was 14 as of a few years ago.

reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984


I will agree dude nope I haven't done a huge amount of research on the matter.

It's not an illness though, sexual retardation is a permanent state, it cannot be fixed. It's like trying to fix homosexuality!

Wow ! that's kind of scary when one considers that, many consider homosexuality a "natural state" and not a retardation, you sure about this ?

As for Harman, well I have to agree with you all the way I was pretty horrified reading that article and was hoping I was reading it wrong.

Originally posted by Emerald The Paradigm
These sick people disgust me.
They should all be locked up for life.

Hmmm locked up for life doesn't do it for me. These people are defective beyond repair and should be terminated as soon as possible otherwise they just propogate the problem.

Crimes against children should still carry the death sentence, preferably by bacon slicer.

And my views are normally quite liberal

reply to post by LightFantastic


I agree with you,Pedophiles for the most part can never be reformed. The sexual attraction to minors is hard wired into their brains.

Originally posted by moocowman
Wow ! that's kind of scary when one considers that, many consider homosexuality a "natural state" and not a retardation, you sure about this ?

I was not saying homosexuality is a form of retardation of any kind, i simply mean that you cannot fix a paedophile just like you can't fix a homosexual. People have tried to do both and they have not suceeded. I'm not saying we should even try to fix homosexuals or that anything is wrong with them, i am only comparing sexual drives.

To put it another way it's like saying you can make a straight person gay or a gay person straight. Paedophiles cannot be fixed, at least no one has found any evidence that they can be.

Originally posted by LightFantastic
Hmmm locked up for life doesn't do it for me. These people are defective beyond repair and should be terminated as soon as possible otherwise they just propogate the problem.

Life in prison would mean they no longer hurt any children and could not propogate the problem, so it would seem your only reason for wanting this is to satisfy a very base emotion. Surely we as humans are beyond such things.

Lock them up for life if they ever act upon their impulses and the problem is sorted.

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I think Homosexuality is a choice one makes because of family situation,Abuse or other things. I watched a Christian show where a former Homosexual gave up that lifestyle and has a wife and kids.

Oh dear oh dear you have all lost the plot here. When (and I know I'm on rock solid ground here) has any of these power hungry physos, I mean politian's, EVER do anything for our benefit? This topic is just about taking something that in its real and proper term is very rare i.e. a boy of 15 having sex with a consenting 16 year old girl will be classified as a paedophile in our fine land called England. So as I say its all about control of those that can't see past the snooze papers they read, or the political debates on BBC, CNN, ABC etc and wait for it. Actually vote and think they have did good No we need to push this subject and get it onto the internet then they will have the mandate from those people (see above people) who will hand over their internet to the government to police it.

Waken up people and the UK in this instance. Why do you think the UK government want to give (or rather tax us further) fast internet access to all its people?

Originally posted by BigDaveJr
I think Homosexuality is a choice one makes because of family situation,Abuse or other things. I watched a Christian show where a former Homosexual gave up that lifestyle and has a wife and kids.

I don't mean to be rude but those homosexuals who are "cured" do so because they fear god and their religion tells them to go and have sex with women. Thyey are still homosexual, they still have feelings for men, they just hide them. The fact you saw it on a Christian show says a great deal

Homosexuality is not a choice. If you have ever talked to a gay person they will tell you how they always knew something was different and brain scans appear to show significant differences in homosexual brains. Not brain damage, just differences.

Ted Haggard is a prime example of someone who appeared straight, told everyone he was straight and then was caught having sex with a man.

Originally posted by BigDaveJr
reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984

 

I think Homosexuality is a choice one makes because of family situation,Abuse or other things. I watched a Christian show where a former Homosexual gave up that lifestyle and has a wife and kids.

And what about the thousands that didn't choose it and cannot change? Plus, and no offense, but a Christian show could be very biased. They want to believe homosexuality is a choice

-Kyo