They Will Eventually Legalize Child Pornography

reply to post by Aeons


AsI said, it was besides the point because it is more common for it to happen to a child.

And yes, they often lie...to appear more adult...exactly so that they can sleep with you and not be lying any more. It's an unfortunate world...but I think us guys get an unfair share of the blame.

I believe some underage tart dressing up in high heels and makeup, and pretending to be much older and fooling some guy in a dimly lit night club, is one thing.

Grandad, or a school teacher interfering with eight year olds is something very very different.

If you genuinely believed that a girl is of age, and you are not much older yourself, that is hardly pedophilia. It is adolescence, and stupidity on both sides.

It is the older serial perverts that know exactly what they are doing, and develop a taste for it, that need to be locked up.

Morals are given to us by our parents, who learned them from their parents, and so on. There are many cultures who don't believe that sexuality is taboo. In the case of child pornography, it is considered pornographic because some people look at it from a sexual perspective. And some people look at child nudity (artistic) as if it is pornography, whether it is or not. Don't get me wrong. I do not condone child pornography. But what if we weren't taught that it was bad? The human body is truly a beautiful thing, in all forms.

In the Indie Sex series, they show that even kissing on screen was taboo for many years. Why? We do it in our homes every day? I kiss my wife before I leave for work, after she gets home from work. The first movie to be considered pornographic was Deep Throat, and even that was borderline.

If we embrace our sexuality, the subject wouldn't have to be taboo. If people stop looking at children as sex objects, it wouldn't be pornographic now, would it?

Originally posted by StevenDye
reply to post by Aeons

 

You seem to assume every girl who has underage sex is being abused...when the fact is the majority chose to do it willingly...and continue to do so, and will grow up and lead perfectly normal lives.

I am in secondary school, the young girls are VERY sexualised and speaking to female friends my own age, they knew perfectly well how they were dressing when they were younger. And that was exactly why they did it.

Can i ask you why they did/do it? Why dress provocatively?

I understand that you will say something like, "Because they are wanting boys to notice." What makes young girls believe that promiscuity, be it real or feigned, is the way to be? As a 37 year old man, it makes me uncomfortable for teen girls to dress in too little clothing, or act sexual around me.

RE: girls who seek out grown men. I agree with Aeon only in that girls, naturally, will choose a younger mate. Most people will normally choose mates that are chronological peers.

However, there are some who don't. There are some who seek out older men. Some do it just from preference. Some do it as a way to get even with daddy, or to get away from daddy. Some are just screwed up in the head, maybe because mom has been prostituting them since they were 10 (yes, it happens a lot). There are just too many situations to put it in a box. In a normal situation, you may be right. But not only is normal relative, it occurs less than half the time.

Oh what a load of horse #.

Girls lie to see more attractive to BOYS.

When they lie to adults, it is to seem more adult. Not because they really WANT you sexually. They want you to LIKE them. If that requires sex, then they'll do that.

You poor dear. And that should be pretty clear if you aren't an idiot. Or more likely - don't give a crap what is happening on her side.

I have an idea - don't screw strangers. That should help you through this horrible time for you.

Originally posted by StevenDye
reply to post by Aeons

 

AsI said, it was besides the point because it is more common for it to happen to a child.

And yes, they often lie...to appear more adult...exactly so that they can sleep with you and not be lying any more. It's an unfortunate world...but I think us guys get an unfair share of the blame.

Originally posted by Aeons
This is not a debateable point EXCEPT IF YOU ARE A PEDOPHILE and you stand to gain something by trying to muddy the water.

if you had left out that sentence i would have agreed with you.
that attitude gives politicians the power to do anything they like.
if someone wants you gone all they have to do is get a small file on your hard drive and call the police.
who would the judge believe?
can you prove the person in a picture is over 18?
what about teenagers 'sexting' each-other?
what about file sharing where he file is mislabeled?

I am in NO way supporting child porn or pedophilia,but once i hear non-debatable or zero tolerance the fascist alarms ring in my head.

because lets face facts,the government isn't scared to misuse laws.

reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan


Why do girls dress provactively?

Because they like to be noticed! Look, I've got pretty parts! Woo-Hoo!

They aren't blind. Just because it looks good isn't an INVITATION. Its just nice packaging.

I can and could package something very nicely, and still not want to screw you.

It isn't ALL ABOUT YOU.

[edit on 2010/2/23 by Aeons]

If it is a child just looking like they are posed in sexual activities - that's still abuse.

If it is a child's IMAGE being used, that child is having their options for the future being taken away from them. That's ABUSE.

There is no circumstance for a "benign" use of a real child in porn. Period.

Originally posted by the_grand_pooh-bah

Originally posted by Aeons
This is not a debateable point EXCEPT IF YOU ARE A PEDOPHILE and you stand to gain something by trying to muddy the water.

if you had left out that sentence i would have agreed with you.
that attitude gives politicians the power to do anything they like.
if someone wants you gone all they have to do is get a small file on your hard drive and call the police.
who would the judge believe?
can you prove the person in a picture is over 18?
what about teenagers 'sexting' each-other?
what about file sharing where he file is mislabeled?

I am in NO way supporting child porn or pedophilia,but once i hear non-debatable or zero tolerance the fascist alarms ring in my head.

because lets face facts,the government isn't scared to misuse laws.

[edit on 2010/2/23 by Aeons]

Originally posted by Aeons
If my thirteen year old is going to an 18 year old club, she's going for fun. If she accidentally ends up in a situation over her head and doesn't know how to deal with it she has to live with the consequences.

Do I blame the guy. Nope. But I'll sure hold him responsible to the consequences.

I really don't mean to be unkind to you but where i live in the UK, when i was in school there were girls who revelled in getting into clubs and having sex. Right now most of my friends are female and nearly all of them got into clubs underage. Nearly all of them had sex underage without telling the guy they were with that that they were young.

So you would hold the guy responsible even if they girl lies to them. This is a real problem i think. The government in the UK actually advised men to record women consenting to sexual behavior because of this!!!!!!! Can you imagine asking a girl to record such a thing, that'll end the night right there.

Originally posted by Aeons
HOWEVER - most of the time it isn't ANYWHERE near as "consensual" as the battery of boys will have you believe.

Well i don't know many boys do it i admit but we're talking about clubbing and i know the girls who admit they did it consensually. I hate to say it but as a parent i think you're far to biased.

Originally posted by Aeons
Many of those girls are LYING. They may engage in some sexualized behaviour, but if they are saying more most are EXAGERATING to impress you with their adultness.

Lying at ages between 20-35 when it comes to this stuff? About their past when many of them are married. I think not.

Originally posted by Aeons
If you choose to be "fooled" as an adult by this, you're doing so to take advantage for your own self - not because you actually believe it.

The boys believe it because it suits them to do so.

Regardless, most of it is lies.

I believe my adult friends not teenage kids. If you believe otherwise it is because you're a parent wanting to believe the best of your children. Just like every other parent you forget your own past. To palm this off as a problem with boys is dishonest at best.

[edit on 23-2-2010 by ImaginaryReality1984]

Oh for gods sakes. I was a teenager once. I remember just fine.

reply to post by Silver Shadow


I almost potentially got in trouble when I was 20. My friend's sister looked older than she was and she had a crush on Me. I thought She was 16-17 and tried to get involved with Her. I stopped that when I found out She was really 14. I couldn't believe it when I found out Her real age,She didn't volunteer that information.

This thread was about how the government will eventually legalise child pornography. As such i want to quote one of my previous posts. This needs to be done to remind people of what this thread is. This entire thread is sensationalism and you've fallen into it.

I don't know why i got so angry over this thread when there is a very obvious truth staring us all in the face. The threads title is outlandish.


1. The government isn't now, even in a small minority calling for the legalization of any of this. there are no signs they are thinking of it either.

2. This is one MP's opinion, however that opinion was from years back by the looks of things. Not only that but this MP is massively unpopular already without this little scandal.

3. Let us say, hypothetically that all of the MP's in parliament want sexually explicit material, involving children legalised. Just for a moment lets suppose this. Do you honestly believe that the British public would stand for this? I mean i know we have become complacment when it comes to free speech and the invasion of our privacy but do you honestly believe we would just stand by and take the legalisation of child pornography? The british public rioted over the poll tax and i can assure you that we care more about children than taxes.

If MP's voted to legalise any of this stuff then all that would happen is we would have a lot of empty seats in parliament and a full obituary column.

No one has been able to guess my age for 23 years.

I is important to remember - nice body can still be attached to a 12 year old brain.

And exactly what do you think those children in those pictures are?

Not real? Their abuse for your entertainment doesn't matter?

Its pictures of someone ASSAULTING A CHILD. That chid is REAL. An actual PERSON.

Originally posted by nightrun
Most of you would disagree with this but that's fine. I support child porn becoming legal. Not legal that they can make the stuff.. Uh ok, needs to be looked at but in some cases, more care should be taken on the subject.

The way I see the situation is that porn satisfies the craving for the real thing. If left unsatisfied then the urge for the real thing becomes a lust. Which can happen with porn, but not quite as much I'm sure.

I'm not a pedophile but I definitely look at porn some days to stop me jumping the fence on my lover.

Don't rage, that's just what I think at the moment... It may be sick to think people are attracted to children, but it's not so unusual realistically. I can understand it.....

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan

Originally posted by StevenDye
reply to post by Aeons

 

RE: girls who seek out grown men. I agree with Aeon only in that girls, naturally, will choose a younger mate. Most people will normally choose mates that are chronological peers.

Interesting point to bring up here. And before you overly emotional peple jump on me and say I advocate this...don't. I am only bringing up a good evolutionary and psychological perspective

Let's take a look at the human as an animal. We as men wish to spread our seed. A few like myself are not remotely interested in kids but that is beside the point. Biologically speaking we want children and many of them. So we look for youth in body and face because youth of body turns on the electrical single for many guys. Who will you want to have children with biologically speaking? A 40 year old woman or a young 18 year old girl who has the looks of youth on her side? Again this is speaking from the primitive brain not the social one.

Thing is we men are designed to find youth attractive. Now let's talk about deviation. Deviation is normal. Any time you take statistics on something (say asking a guy what age of girl he is most attracted to...IF you could make them 100% honest) you are going to deviate. What's the norm? 18? 22? Whatever the norm is you will naturally have deviatioon where many guys will say older and many younger. Again the issue we have here is honesty. What guy is going to honestly admit in the face of death and dismemberment to finding someone like Amanda Bynes, the Olsen Twins or some other young girl attractive (PS...I think the Olsen Twins look like catfish...I digress)

Now let's flip the coin. What are women biologically attracted to? Safety and power is what science tells us. What's more secure? The 18 year old working at Chuck E Cheese or Joe Millionaire with his 2 houses and 8 cars? Ever heard girls fawn over Johnny Depp? Look how old he is

Then we have the ever present taboo concept. It's wrong and that turns some people on. The 30 year old can say he scored with some teen and the teen can say she bagged a 30 year old.

I can go on. We've covered biology and psychology

How about Sociology? We idolize sex symbols and so our young girls want attention to. My cousin Bobbie is now 15 and she is a real beauty queen. Problem is like any other teen girl she wants attention. How does she solve this dilemma? Dress in as little as possible because that is what Miley Cyrus does. I will tell you one day she showed up to go mini golfing with myself and my wife...she had to change after I read her my speech

Let's try parenting (uh oh...now I am gonna get real popular) Maybe just maybe parents should take some resonsibility. Have we seen how we let our girls dress? Belly chains, hip huggers, spaghetti straps...and that is the 12 year olds!

How about evolution...one of my favorites. A few hundred years ago it was the norm...the NORM for an older gent to wed a young girl and start having sex. Why? Because we needed the population to grow. Well all we did was change the rules. I don't think all of our brains have grown to get completely away from that. Evolution takes a long time.

So look at all this and tell me you are still surprised these heinous acts...and they are heinous acts IMO...occur. We have so many little girls dressing like tramp with belly rings, no parenting to tell them it is wrong, the male AND female complexes, stars and rolemodels like Miley Cyrus dressing like they do and not enough time to evolve to realize that you SHOULD be thinking about sex well after childhood.

No...I hate that pedophilia exists. I hate that child sexual abuse exists. This is why I am starting my masters in Forensic Psychology...I want to hit this problem from both the abuser and the victim's sides.

Regardless...I abhor that it happens...I am saddend...but alas I am not at all surprised out little girls get taken advantage of

That is my speech I guess

Like me for it...hate me for it but I am studying this for a reason. I want to know why it happens.

-Kyo

reply to post by KyoZero



Sociology and psychology are fields dominated by old men with perversions and cultural entitlement issues, trying desperately to make the fact that things happen mean that they are okay.

They would be correct IF ALL OTHER FACTORS WERE EQUAL. Which they are not.

nothin draws the flies like a nice high, hot, steamy and stinky pile of smut...

are we back on this pedophilia thing again guys? i mean really.....i know most of you are just beside yourselves with eager nail biting anticipation of every forthcoming post.....but seriously....chill the EPH out...its only about kids and sex after all...not like humanity hasnt broached this theme a zillion times. Funny how we keep going over this ground over and over again thinking that somehow we are going to figure something out. I think someone once said the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again hoping for a different result....


honestly i think if tomorow it became legal for men to have relationships with young girls things would be crazy for a few years and then you know what would happen? People would settle back into their routines....some men would continue to dig the youngins....and MOST of the others, probly about 80-90 percent would pursue long term relationships with females they could relate to.....because at the end of the day its more about that than anything else.......

Originally posted by Aeons
reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan

 

Why do girls dress provactively?

Because they like to be noticed! Look, I've got pretty parts! Woo-Hoo!

They aren't blind. Just because it looks good isn't an INVITATION. Its just nice packaging.

I can and could package something very nicely, and still not want to screw you.

It isn't ALL ABOUT YOU.

It boils down to parenting, i suppose. No, it isn't about me. However, since i have a businesspersons mind, i am anxious about things like "risk management". For example, if i don't want my car broken into,i don't leave than $100 bill on my console.

I rarely see advertisements or packaging that isn't indicative of the "product". If it comes in a purple velvet bag with a gold drawstring, it is going to most often be Crown Royal, not the Gideons Bible.

The reason i ask why girls do this is because i am interested in what there is to gain from it. Given the topic of the thread, it is obvious what the adults are getting from it. But what are the kids getting from it?

As an adult, i see the benefits of conservative attire. I am not stuffy. Not at all. But, as it relates to social acceptance (and therefore, financial independance), you have to meet some standard. If you see a lady with her three kids walking around target dressed like a stripper, do you not pity those kids, having that as an example? What will that lady aachieve in her life?

Not to mention that teen girls male counterparts are hormonal and hypersexualized (i was a teen male once, too ). It would seem that dressing provacatively around such folks would be akin to wearing clothing made of raw steak while in the lions den.

So, what is there to gain from this behavior that makes the risk worthwhile? It is just something i don't understand.

Girls are people - not pieces of prey.

Nice packaging is a totally different thing than actual sex. It bears keeping in mind.