They Will Eventually Legalize Child Pornography

Oh my how can you people discriminate against these people they were born that way and it is their choice. The politicians won't make the rules the courts will based on other cases that deal with sexual preference. It is done diffrent here in the U.S. we call the toy boys Alter boys.
Yes it is sad but we are the ones that keep looking the other way.

They Will Eventually Legalize Child Pornography

No ...No they wont! c'mon which idiot wrote that crap and passed it off as truth.


reply to post by factfinder45


No! noone is looking the other way its just that the authorities haven't caught up with them yet, stop legitimising it what are you like kind of creepy opinion in my judgement.

[edit on 22/2/10 by carslake]

Did any of you actually read the article? First of all this is something she said over 30 years ago and magically appeared since she's up for supreme ruler of the UK. Second, and here is the point you all seem to have conveniently missed

“Our amendment places the onus of proof on the prosecution to show that the child was actually harmed.”

Yes, that would mean innocent until proven guilty. But hey why let proper justice and due process get in the way of an over-emotional lynch mob.

Originally posted by factfinder45
Oh my how can you people discriminate against these people they were born that way and it is their choice. The politicians won't make the rules the courts will based on other cases that deal with sexual preference. It is done diffrent here in the U.S. we call the toy boys Alter boys.
Yes it is sad but we are the ones that keep looking the other way.

Defending the pedo's are we?

I don't care if they were born with the need to violate children's innocence, but they do have the choice to NOT act upon those impulses, it's what makes us human.

~Keeper

Originally posted by factfinder45
Oh my how can you people discriminate against these people they were born that way and it is their choice. The politicians won't make the rules the courts will based on other cases that deal with sexual preference. It is done diffrent here in the U.S. we call the toy boys Alter boys.
Yes it is sad but we are the ones that keep looking the other way.

Are you defending pedophiles? Thats disgraceful

They may not choose the urges, but they have a choice to NOT abuse and rape kids. Unfortunantly most of theses sickosdo not take that path, nor do they alienate themselves from situations and locations where there are children

Originally posted by fumanchu
Did any of you actually read the article? First of all this is something she said over 30 years ago and magically appeared since she's up for supreme ruler of the UK. Second, and here is the point you all seem to have conveniently missed

“Our amendment places the onus of proof on the prosecution to show that the child was actually harmed.”

Yes, that would mean innocent until proven guilty. But hey why let proper justice and due process get in the way of an over-emotional lynch mob.

Thank you for your cool-headed contribution, fumanchu. I don't agree that there is a case of child pornography where the child is not harmed, but it is important that this was said just the same.

As long as they declare open season on pedophile's with no limit... I'd like to use a flamethrower..... if that works

Relax people, I was trying to play the bad guy and get you to see the bigger picture of how these people will try to justify their actions.
Also I feel we should be able to shoot anyone who uses a child as a sexual object but I would go to jail for some new hate crime.

Reply to the tenth power

I hope you understand that I was giving examples of what the law considers to be child pornography where in fact, no child was harmed.

Child pornography laws have been used in Canada to prosecute artists, people who wrote stories for their own private purposes without showing it to anyone (I assume this known pedophile was using the act of writing about his fantasies as a means of relieving his urges without actually acting upon them), art has been removed from museums, parents have been put under investigation for taking pictures of their own children etc etc.

This person may have had a very good idea when she proposed that pornographic images should be exempt from child pornography laws unless it can be proved that some child was harmed by either the creation of the pornography or its distribution (ie reading dirty little stories that you wrote to a child).

Unfortunately, there is very little common sense in the law when enforcement officers want to "get" their target. LIke the man in the example I provided who had downloaded pornographic cartoons of the Simpson's and Pokemon.

TIRED OF CONTROL FREAKS

reply to post by TiredofControlFreaks


Thanks for clarifying, I understand what you are saying now.

I am familiar with the Canadian case being a canadian, and that was just a cop trying to hit his mark as you said.

So yes there needs to be a more specific law in place to protect individuals for artistic expression.

I mean there's no child being harmed when you write a story about kids is there? Neither is there a crime when your drawing children.

As much as I disagree with both, it's not law breaking it's just a morality thing. As long as people aren't hurting children, let them do what they want.

~Keeper

Reply to the tenth power;

Thanks for confirming that you misunderstood my post. ;-) I admit that I maybe wasn't as clear as I could have been.

As someone else pointed out, fantasies of sex with children are NOT abnormal (although for most people, the very idea of going beyond a private mental fantasy would be absolutely abhorrent) and there are people born with (or for whatever reason) subject to the urge to have sex with children.

This isn't completely abnormal for the human species. For most of our history, children have been having sex either as part of marriage (when the average lifespan is only 25 or 30 years, best be having kids quick) or as prostitutes, concubines, sex slaves etc.

However, our social norm is that we consider children incapable of consenting to sex and therefore sex with children is an assault and rape against the most helpless and innocent of victims.

So what to do if you are one of the people who has an urge to have sex with children? Obviously, if you are any kind of normal person, you recognise that the urge is unacceptable and you don't act upon it.

However, writing stories privately or drawing cartoons or drawing pictures for your own private purposes is one way of expressing your urges and providing an healthy outlet for an unacceptable desire.

Kinda like writing "I want to punch my boss's nose" in your private diary. Giving your urge to violence an written expression may be what is needed to prevent you from actually acting on your urge to violence.

So, what as a society, do we do when police officer's are so zealous in their duties that they interfere with these private expressions? Or law enforcement that takes itself so seriously that they remove centuries old portraits of cherubim from museums or prosecute parents for that picture of a toddler dressing up in mommy's panties?

I don't know the answers here but I suspect that they do not lie with emotional lynch mobs or cries of zero tolerance. Such attitudes deny that human beings can be and are faulty without being abnormal.

TIRED OF CONTROL FREAKS

They slowly get society used to these things over long periods of time.
We all know how they operate.

This thread only reminded me of something that I find distasteful that is happening right now that, surprisingly, a lot of people don't have a problem with.
And that is the tabloid and media exposure of Suri Cruise and the constant
articles about what she's wearing and her high heels, lipstick etc.
The kid is what, 5 years old? It seems that the sick beauty pageants for young kids weren't doing the trick, so now they seem to be using celebrities children to up the ante and to get it mainstream ASAP.

I think this is just the beginning of the desensitising stage to begin pre pubescent worship via the media. Yeah, it's sick but its done is such a way that , like I said, a lot of people think it's quite innocent.

I know this probably sounds way off the wall, but with the way society is going, I can just imagine that in about 20 odd years time, we'll see REALLY young girls posing for Playboy.
With the sexualisation of young girls that seems to be happening and also with so many wanting to be celebrities (usually propelled on by meglomaniac parents) , then it's easy to see where its all heading and where it's meant to all end up.

So yeah, I'm sure at some point light porn of kids will become mainstream (or legal, same thing really).

Don't agree with it but if you look around at what's happening now, it doesn't take a huge leap to realise how it could come about.

Reply to Flighty

I completely agree with you!!!!

How dare they remove pictures of naked child angels from museums while COSMO gets away with putting highly sexualized pictures of 11 and 12 year olds on its covers.

Many of the so-called models that men drool over and wish real woman would look like are actually 11 and 12 year old girls, pre-pubescent with absolutely no hips or boobs. They use duct tape to create the illusion of cleavage by squeezing the chest muscles and fat over to the middle.

And how many of the people who would love to shoot pedaphiles (or castrate them) have actually drooled over those pictures, felt sexual desire and urges over these pictures.

Why is this NOT classed as child pornography. Don't you think that showing a child this highly sexualised image of herself causes psychological harm and interferes with normal sexual development?

TIRED OF CONTROL FREAKS

To Flighty's last post:

That's a totally possible outcome for the near future, what with the over sensationalization of child parents lately. Nevermind the 'little tramp' clothing lines they've been releasing. Thongs for 9 year olds, low cut jeans for those even younger, etc.

Also since there are so many different ages of consent in many countries, some lower than 10 years old, there'll always be stuff like this going on. Until yeah, eventually it becomes non-taboo.

[edit on 22-2-2010 by Mr. jack]

reply to post by TiredofControlFreaks


Yeah, I agree. I don't see the difference myself either.

People will jump and down about child pornography and the exploitation of children and yet don't seem to realise that the groundwork is being laid out right before their eyes for their "acceptance" of it.
Yet they don't feel compelled to do anything about it.

Maybe because its already "out there" and not in some sleazy back alley adult book shop.
If these same images of Suri Cruise were on some guys computer and not in the mainstream and he was caught, people would think he was a sicko.

Its a case of not being able to see what is right in front of your eyes.
And that is must be "okay" because it's in the mainstream.

Originally posted by _Phoenix_
I don't think this will ever happen, infact I think society is going the exact opposite, meaning more laws, more restrictions, less freedom. So I can't see why they would suddenly legalise it, unless of course politicians like that sort of thing.

Bread and circus my friend.

To quote the cliche "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely". Those with absolute power and no morals or self control will do whatever pleases them. Pure Satanic Evil.

I have had the displeasure of treating pedophiles in psychiatric hospitals.
They cannot be rehabilitated.
And that is my professional opinion.

If it ever does happen, it will probably happen first in California.

But then California is now long overdue for some divine heavenly punishment.
Just wait and see.............

Ok, glad we finally got some people that read the article. OP - you are aware that HH did this over 30 years ago? You are aware of the Telegraphs political slant and knee-jerk reactions to anything?

It would not surprise me in the least if Reagan and Bush Snr were peadophile's but can we have some links to verify this please?

I think everyone agrees child pornography and peadophilia are inherently abhorrent.