Joe Stack IRS Suicide Pilot Conspiracy

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posted on Feb, 18 2010 @ 06:08 PM
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If your not saying that your are definately infering it, at least from where I sit. Your title is Joe Stack IRS suicide pilot conspiracy.

If you think that it stinks that the austin news is having trouble reporting what happened welcome to the Austin news reporting network. They stink.

In the begining of any news you will here conflicting reports, as every news station is reporting speculation or heresay in attempts to break the story first.

The 2000 election first reported that Al Gore won the presidency. Some newspapers even has the headline on their cover the following day. That's what happens with news.




posted on Feb, 18 2010 @ 06:11 PM
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I guess I'm not allowed to ask questions then.

Using rational logic is verboten!



posted on Feb, 18 2010 @ 06:11 PM
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Where did you find that the note had been edited 27 times?

That seems like just as much speculation as your complaining about in your OP.

Will that comment stink as well if it's found that there are conflicting reports on how many times the note was edited?



posted on Feb, 18 2010 @ 06:12 PM
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Well, isn't obvious???

The 'Echelon' building was pre-planted, with explosives, probably when it was first built.

The 'airplane' was a hologram (possibly from Military top-secret technology), and ALL 'sounds' were created for the benefit of the "eyewitnesses".

All was perfectly timed, because the Mayor of Austin, Texas, wanted his tax records (inside the 'Echelon' building) destroyed.

Oh, it's all so obvious........



posted on Feb, 18 2010 @ 06:13 PM
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Its in the header code buddy.

If you read the OP article you'd see that.




posted on Feb, 18 2010 @ 06:18 PM
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No not at all it's good to ask questions. But I don't think, and it's just me, that your logic is rational in this instance.

It's common for news reports to differ in the begining. It would seem illogical in my opinion if all the news agencies were reporting the EXACT same story with the EXACT same details within an hour of any event before any real reporting has happened.

Just my opinion, and I welcome yours just as much.

I see your point it just doesn't stink to me that's all



posted on Feb, 18 2010 @ 06:20 PM
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My logic isn't rational?

That the guy says he's broke yet keeps a plane around?

That the guy never mentions hating his family, yet burns his house down?

If the guy stole the plane, how was he identified and his note discovered so quickly?

These are not rational logical questions?



posted on Feb, 18 2010 @ 06:24 PM
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The guy says the writing began months ago. Can someone not write out there suicide note before they type it?

I write out my papers, then type them. I edit the written and typed versions manu times.

O well this is just arguing and not hat I'm about. Truth is neither of us know the whole story, only Joe stack does.

Agree to disagree



posted on Feb, 18 2010 @ 06:31 PM
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IF you wish to look up this guy's Airman Certificate information, you can start here:

www.faa.gov...

BUT, you have to know a few details....like the street address he uses with the FAA....his full name, his DOB...etc.

Used to be, you could look up using SSN, but FAA Airman's Certificates no longer all use SSN as the ID number...it is the choice of the pilot to select another.


Now, once you find out the 'N' number of his airplane, you can look that up too...

Really, this is not difficult.



posted on Feb, 18 2010 @ 06:31 PM
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It would seem illogical in my opinion if all the news agencies were reporting the EXACT same story with the EXACT same details within an hour of any event before any real reporting has happened.


There's two ways for that scenario to happen:
1. The facts are the facts and everyone is reporting the facts. That's real News reporting, so it's unlikely.
2. If a predetermined script were given to all news agencies. Think BBC/WTC7.
3. It's all a bit of a coincidence. We've gotten good at coincidences. We accept any and all thrown our way.

The problem is that we've been programmed to listen not to real news, with facts etc., but to opinions. These opinions may change based on the agency you're watching/reading/listening to, but they are still just vacuous opinions.

Coincidences happen.
They happen more when you know how to manipulate them.



posted on Feb, 18 2010 @ 06:34 PM
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Could this be the same guy? If not, HELL OF A COINCIDENCE.

www.nj.com...

"Toms River man accused of stealing $6K while working as state tax investigator
By Michael Rispoli/The Star-Ledger
August 28, 2009, 3:28PM

TRENTON -- A Toms River man was indicted today on charges he stole $6,630 from taxpayer accounts while working as a state tax investigator.

Joseph Stack, 58, was charged with official misconduct, computer theft, theft by unlawful taking, tampering with public records and falsifying records, according to the state's Office of the Attorney General."

No way.

"Stack was fired by the Division of Taxation in March because of the investigation, officials said.

Stack's lawyer, Edward Bertucio, said he will plead innocent to the charges. "

Surely this is just a HUGE coincidence.



posted on Feb, 18 2010 @ 06:42 PM
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I am a writer, and many times i have various versions of articles saved in different files. He may easily have started writing in Word a few times and two days ago began this particular version. I see no conspiracy on that point.

The revision amount just so happens to be the amount of times he hit the save button. Not the amount of times he edited the document. Anyone who has ever lost a doc while working on it can relate to saving more often than usual, or even having it auto save every few minutes.

So I see nothing suspicious in that either.

Not trying to knock anyone's opinions, just putting a perspective on it.



posted on Feb, 18 2010 @ 06:43 PM
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Yes it is a coincidence. He could not have been a state taxman in NJ while working and living in TX.

I would think that would be a very very easy thing to determine.



posted on Feb, 18 2010 @ 06:44 PM
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Surely this is just a HUGE coincidence.


Is it? How so?

Could it be as simple as a man who kept it 'boiling' within, his simmering anger at "THEM" (the amorphous 'them')...

One word --- REVENGE

Not rational --- but anyone who suicides, are they 'rational'?



posted on Feb, 18 2010 @ 06:54 PM
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If I were the author (government...whatever) of this story and needed to do some damage-control I would say he sold (or turned over) his plane because he needed money (or couldn't make payments) then STOLE it back today hence how they tied him to this plane so quickly. (How quickly DID they identify him by the way?)




[edit on 18-2-2010 by TwoPhish]



posted on Feb, 18 2010 @ 07:03 PM
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Originally posted by GeechQuestInfo
No not at all it's good to ask questions. But I don't think, and it's just me, that your logic is rational in this instance.

It's common for news reports to differ in the begining. It would seem illogical in my opinion if all the news agencies were reporting the EXACT same story with the EXACT same details within an hour of any event before any real reporting has happened.

Just my opinion, and I welcome yours just as much.

I see your point it just doesn't stink to me that's all


Well then perhaps they should change their 'news' to a 'gossip' station!
The news isn't supposed to be tabloid-like in its approach. They're supposed to be professional and precise.

I understand now-a-days there are just as many news stations as there are channels (so competition is tight) but still...............if you're going to report the news then know the facts and they are: Who, When, Where, Why and How.



posted on Feb, 18 2010 @ 07:26 PM
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How did they tie it to him so "quickly"???

Come on!!!

Y'all love 'conspiracies'!!!

Ever been to Austin? Know the area?

Here....take a gander at this site:

flightaware.com...

Then, type in 'KGTU' (That's the small private airport where Joe Stack hangared his airplane).

He was likely WELL KNOWN and recognized!!!

The airport has a control tower....with all communications taped!

There is an AFB nearby, along with FAA ATC radar....it isn't hard to figure out, based on all of that info....

He took off VFR, of course...but still, there were witnesses to his departure. In broad daylight....

I could see your point, IF this had occurred early AM or late night, with few witnesses...

I give up, though!!!

Y'all will invent a 'conspiracy' out of any event, regardless!

PS...."domestic disturbance" call to the APD, early that morning.....hmmmmm....AT his residence!

Gee....sounds a bit like golfer Tiger Woods!

(except for the suicide/revenge/grudge by airplane part.....)



posted on Feb, 18 2010 @ 07:39 PM
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I was simply asking cause I am just learning about this now (I don't watch TV and wasn't on the internet before). I have no idea the time difference from when this happened to when the media came out with his name, so that's what I am/was asking.

I just now read his suicide note. If true, he's my kinda guy! A true (fed-up/piss-off) patriot that just too frustrated to fight the system any more.

From what I'm picking up from his intonations, he sounded very real, and it's my belief that he never intended to kill anyone else today. So let's assume he planned this out to a tee and that's probably why so few died.
He had a message. He delivered it. And he now has a voice!



posted on Feb, 18 2010 @ 07:47 PM
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Originally posted by cjcord
I am a writer, and many times i have various versions of articles saved in different files. He may easily have started writing in Word a few times and two days ago began this particular version. I see no conspiracy on that point.

The revision amount just so happens to be the amount of times he hit the save button. Not the amount of times he edited the document. Anyone who has ever lost a doc while working on it can relate to saving more often than usual, or even having it auto save every few minutes.

So I see nothing suspicious in that either.

Not trying to knock anyone's opinions, just putting a perspective on it.


I don't know actual application and operating system but even "Autosave" function usually work only if there is some change in opened document - otherwise there is no need to rewrite document already written to HDD.
I'm not specialist but I think suicide acts are impulsive. It is rare to plan suicide for months (please do not argue here with CIA/Islamic suicide bombers).
All questions presented in OP and later are legitimate. Bad state of news agencies is known fact but their irresponsibility should not affect common sense.
Personal vengeance is still strongest motive but can we be sure there were no other powers at work? BTW this is conspiracy site ...



posted on Feb, 18 2010 @ 07:56 PM
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Who covered over his curse words?





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