Joe Stack IRS Suicide Pilot Conspiracy

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posted on Feb, 19 2010 @ 09:59 AM
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Originally posted by GuyverUnit I
Here's a question...

How/why did the plane explode into a 50 foot ball of flame?
Is that normal?
How does it compare to other small plane crashes we have seen reported?


Yeah, I would consider this normal.

Small planes can carry a large amount of fuel.




posted on Feb, 19 2010 @ 10:00 AM
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Originally posted by FreezeM

Originally posted by aguyinaustin
Hey guys. I know Joe's wife through a family member. I can answer all of your questions.


Ah great. And you registered on ATS today to share this with your new friends? Thank you! How did you find this discussion here? I'm not suggestion you are just making this up. It just would have been great if you'd been a member on ATS a bit longer so we had known you a little bit. Makes you more reliable.


Let's make it worse. The email I used in registration was a WHOIS privacy email and too long for the field, so I can't login under that account anymore and had to make a new one. Oh noes!


Anyway, I did a Google search for some things about Joe and this place came up and I went, "Ooooh boy." and had to dive in early before anyone went all "9/11 thermite" on this or something. (I care not about that specific example, I just didn't want it happening to Joe.)



Now, it's true you anwsered most our questions.
Do you have any idea where the money came from?
Did Joe and Sheryl get married before or after moving to Austin?


They got married in Austin, IIRC. The money was on and off the books. They still have a mortgage, but I can't believe insurance will pay out from self-induced arson so Sheryl will probably walk away from the loan and property. The things around the house came from their money combined and the plane was, as I said, from before the marriage as I understand it.



posted on Feb, 19 2010 @ 10:00 AM
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Originally posted by mnemeth1
reply to post by weedwhacker
 


Weedwacker, I noticed your in here making all sorts of comments and not providing us with any useful information in the process.

If its so easy to investigate Stack's FAA certs and aircraft records, by all means provide them too us.

Of course, since we don't know his SSN, we can't do it.

And of course, the FAA officials have already been interviewed and have given conflicting reports, which I posted.

So therefore, please stop spamming.


Landings.com has a portal to the FAA database where you can search just by name. There is no record of a Joseph A. Stack having any certs. Problem is the database purges all pilots with expired medical certificates. So he could have licenses but an expired medical.
He owned the airplane when he lived ikn California according to registration info there.
This guy fits the profile of the family murderer who doesn't hate his family nbut believes that he, as the supporter has failed them and feels they would be better off dead than penniless.



posted on Feb, 19 2010 @ 10:02 AM
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Originally posted by Cabaret Voltaire
reply to post by aguyinaustin
 


Great information. Thanks for posting.

If this is all legit, then it really shows you something.... the News Media is full of irresponsible liars and muckrakers. They make up anything and jump to any conclusion just to be the first and most sensational. The Media is pathetic. They twist everything around.



Thanks. That's exactly why I'm floating around and trying to clear things up. This doesn't deserve to go down as anything other than a family man that snapped in a very scary and sad way.



posted on Feb, 19 2010 @ 10:03 AM
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Originally posted by Freenrgy2
reply to post by mnemeth1
 


No, he could have been writing this off line and only started posting to his website the past couple of days. He wrote this in MS Word.


Yes, but the web page is an MS word document.

What he did was write the document in MS word, then save it as an HTML file.

Then he uploaded the HTML file to his web site.

Joe was a software engineer, so I have to assume he was more than capable of doing this without any problem.

I'm willing to chalk this up as being a coincidental problem assuming aguyinaustin1's story checks out.

At this point, I'm satisfied with the answers given by aguyinaustin1.



posted on Feb, 19 2010 @ 10:06 AM
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So let me get this straight... For the election cycle we get Joe The Plumber, and for tax season we get Joe "blows his" Stack The Pilot?

Thanks guys both for being fed up with the system and for providing a program to follow?

How many chuckleheads will buy into his Manifesto as being a rallying cry to quote unquote, fight?

Fighting is exactly what they want. When we're done with all the fighting they want us to do, they'll pop up from those deep underground bases they've been telling us they have, and collect the few that survive all of the senseless fighting by using that X-Band Radar that can track us using the barium in our systems as a locator.

They know the common man will read this stuff and say, well I don't believe in his method but he's certainly got a point...

We need to be aware of the fact that they will use us to provoke each other into violence when we should be reacting to each other with love and compassion.

Running to that foreign land on American soil we call The District of Colombia for a tax protest only serves to fill the coffers of the local hotels and coffee distributors.

They need our free will, and our imagination to carry out their plan, I say we use our free will and our imagination to dream up a new paradigm where people return to their natural state and choose to help, heal, free and create for the benefit of all, rather than the selfish, self centered competition based model we're inundated with through our daily dose of prime-time programming such as Survivor, Big Brother or any other reality show where people are forced to eliminate each other in an attempt to garner a prize all to themselves.

So Joe "Blows His" Stack fly's his plane into an IRS building, leaves a so called rallying cry for those of us whose meat-suits are so far from their sacred states that their pineal receiver can only notice nothing but the pablum we're being fed in this captive environment we call society unless some possibly mind controlled brother of ours fly's his plane into a building thereby giving the media machine more fodder.

This show sucks, I want a refund...

Please people, realize that our enemies are not on the front line, other me's and you's are. Fighting is what we're doing now all over the world and we see where it's gotten us. Instead of rallying for some tea party protest or candidate that promises to change things, let us say to them, no more.

Turn our attention to growing food and shoveling out the driveways of older folks and assisting our neighbors in general, yeah you know...neighbors, the folks who live next-door that you've not spoken to in years.

We cannot turn to the system and say fix and poof it will be better for all of us. No matter how many of us misguidedly take action as Joe did, the lesson is not fight but rather turn away and choose simply to not play their game anymore.

After all, the game is rigged, the fix has been in for centuries and neither you or I will be king of their world. Stop believing taxes are real, money makes the world go round, and that the system can be repaired and perhaps we won't find ourselves fighting at all.

Desperate times call for intelligent reaction, not desperate measures.



posted on Feb, 19 2010 @ 10:07 AM
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Originally posted by mnemeth1
I'm willing to chalk this up as being a coincidental problem assuming aguyinaustin1's story checks out.

At this point, I'm satisfied with the answers given by aguyinaustin1.


Good to hear.
I put up a post about it as well, so if you want to share this with folks that wouldn't appreciate a place like this, point them to concerningjoe.tumblr.com... for what I can share about it.



posted on Feb, 19 2010 @ 10:10 AM
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Originally posted by aguyinaustin1

Originally posted by mnemeth1
I'm willing to chalk this up as being a coincidental problem assuming aguyinaustin1's story checks out.

At this point, I'm satisfied with the answers given by aguyinaustin1.


Good to hear.
I put up a post about it as well, so if you want to share this with folks that wouldn't appreciate a place like this, point them to concerningjoe.tumblr.com... for what I can share about it.


Thank you for taking the time to share with us.

My initial concerns over this incident were mainly due to the media's total incompetence in bringing me relevant accurate information. Had the media done its job properly, I wouldn't have had to make this post.

I appreciate you taking the time to join this forum and share.

You've saved me a lot of worry and aggravation.



[edit on 19-2-2010 by mnemeth1]



posted on Feb, 19 2010 @ 10:11 AM
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oh no! Thanks for registering again to respond to my questions.

So what you are saying is that this is "just" a guy that had enough and decided to end his life, making a statement. No larger conspiricy, but real felt pain. Maybe on some level, some of us want this to be part of a larger scheme. Not only to keep ourselfs busy trying to figure it out, but also because it's a scary thought that this could happen to anybody.



posted on Feb, 19 2010 @ 10:15 AM
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Stunning with all the disinfo being put out there to fuel all the crazy theories. Heres one: he was an unstable violent man with a mental illness. One poster said they appluaded his actions. That cannot possibly be true. Killing some innocent office workers because you dont like your taxes? what a coward of the worst sort. His house was on fire without his family in it. As for an eye witness to the haz mat trucks. Ask the legal folks about how reliable an eye witness is. I drove by that building yesterday. amazing there were not more casualties. If he had enough money to operate an airplane, he aint got it so bad.



posted on Feb, 19 2010 @ 10:15 AM
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It's not surprising at all that news outlets get information wrong right at the beginning.

That is usually the case, no?

They knew who he was because it was his plane. Registered to him.

They use that to get his name.
They use his name to find his house.
The house was burned, whether or not his family is inside is irrelevant.
They found his site because it was registered to his name.

The dude wasn't poor either.. he had multiple residences, multiple companies, and from what I can tell made pretty damn good money. His beef appeared to be a case against him for tax fraud.. he felt he shouldn't pay taxes because he didn't like George Bush JR, and didn't think the Government was Socialist enough (his rant demanded free health care and social programs) so he was going to fly his plane into an IRS building.

And he guy isn't a hero. He's a douche bag.



posted on Feb, 19 2010 @ 10:22 AM
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Seems to be a large focus on why the guy would destroy his home. Seems pretty obvious to me. The guy got screwed by the IRS, probably owed money. So if he was angry enough to fly a plane into an IRS building, he was definitely angry enough to destroy an assets the IRS could then use to make good on his debt.

And this not is less a suicide note and more a "manifesto" as the news outlets are calling it. This guy is explaining his hatred for the IRS, which, I would assume, his family had no part of. This "suicide note" is more a response to why crash a plane into a building than why am I killing myself.



posted on Feb, 19 2010 @ 10:23 AM
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I live in Austin. I know people who say they knew him. I cannot answer for him, but I can say that this has become another 9/11 for the media.
I am sure the feds have the place surrounded, but is there any amateur video/pictures/audio that has not been posted yet? I drove by and saw HUNDREDS of people with camera phones and even MINI DVs. Where is all of this?



posted on Feb, 19 2010 @ 10:29 AM
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Yeah, to me it seems silly to blow up your own house though when you have a family there.

But unless the wife comes forward and says there's just no way Joe could have or would have done this, I'll buy the "he did it to screw the bank and IRS over" story.

The really big thing to me was whether or not he tried to kill his family in the process. Aguyinaustin says he didn't - and I find that to be the most important fact.

That tells me he didn't have murderous animosity toward his family, which I would have expected to manifest itself in his note.



posted on Feb, 19 2010 @ 11:35 AM
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Freedom means the ability to do whatever you want.

Because that reduces society to a ruin, we keep it in check by insisting you pay for it.

In turn, that means we translate freedom as "the ability to conduct commerce -- however sleazy, depraved, stupid or crass -- wherever you want, whenever you want" and of course the ability to take advantage of that commerce.

Freedom's just another word for commerce, because when we started overthrowing intelligence, tradition, etc. we also overthrew culture, and in doing so, descended into chaos.

Read some Plato, especially the point where he shows how democracy leads to pluralism which leads to an inability to agree on anything, which creates the kind of infighting that tyrants need to take over.



posted on Feb, 19 2010 @ 12:18 PM
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I found it odd to hear Robin DeHaven speak of going in the building (seeing smoke but not fire) and breaking out windows. If there was a huge fireball upon impact how would he have time to get his ladder to the building, climb up and go in the building and then break out a window and help people to safety?

At about 1 minute 46 seconds in.
edition.cnn.com...



posted on Feb, 19 2010 @ 12:32 PM
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Any info on his therapist or clinic?

Any hypo-therapy background?

Any military or civilian intelligence connection?

If this writing stems from therapy, as he claims, then this is an important avenue to explore.



posted on Feb, 19 2010 @ 01:12 PM
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Originally posted by mnemeth1
Did he pay cash?

How long did he have the plane and when did he get his pilots license?


I posted this in another thread, and will also post it here as It seems odd to me...


Take a look at this:
Flight History

Click on "Past Flights".

Can somebody tell me why this plane flew from Georgetown to Vance Air Force Base in 2008? According to Wikipedia, Vance is home to a major Air Force training program. Was he trained by the AF? I read recently about a civilian pilot who made an emergency landing at an AF base, but only after getting "rare" permission.



posted on Feb, 19 2010 @ 01:52 PM
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I find this interesting.

www.statesman.com...

Joseph Strazza, 22-year-old contractor, said he was driving down Metric Boulevard when he saw smoke coming out of the eaves of the house.

He parked behind house, he said, then heard an explosion.

“It sounded like a small bomb going off,” Strazza said. He said the windows blew out and flames started coming out of the roof.

Strazza said he then saw a man running out of house with little girl in his arms. Fire crews arrived a short time later, Strazza said.

Stack’s home was a two-story brick home with two-car garage on a tree-lined street. Officials still have the street cordoned off. The house was gutted by the fire
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"Strazza said he then saw a man running out of house with little girl in his arms. Fire crews arrived a short time later" who is this guy carrying a girl? The mother and daughter pulled up after the fire.
“It sounded like a small bomb going off,” And what exploded at Stack's house?


www.youtube.com...


Joe Strazza, owner of a local HVAC company, was at the scene of both the house explosion and the plane crash.


Who is this guy? Is he just trying to promote his business by getting on tv?
Or is there something up with him?


[edit on 19-2-2010 by JBA2848]



posted on Feb, 19 2010 @ 02:05 PM
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Originally posted by DukeOfDorch

Originally posted by mnemeth1
Did he pay cash?

How long did he have the plane and when did he get his pilots license?


I posted this in another thread, and will also post it here as It seems odd to me...


Take a look at this:
Flight History

Click on "Past Flights".

Can somebody tell me why this plane flew from Georgetown to Vance Air Force Base in 2008? According to Wikipedia, Vance is home to a major Air Force training program. Was he trained by the AF? I read recently about a civilian pilot who made an emergency landing at an AF base, but only after getting "rare" permission.


The deposition says tracking terminated early.

So I'm not sure he actually landed there, that might just be where ATC services were terminated.

When pilots fly out in IFR conditions, they have to file a flight plan and operate under a controllers guidance.

When they fly out of IFR conditions, they can request to go back to a VFR flight plan and terminate controller services en route.

So I'm not sure on that one.



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