Archive of reports inferring most of UA93 was buried

From News Reports:

Coroner's quiet unflappability helps him take charge of Somerset tragedy
Monday, October 15, 2001
By Tom Gibb, Post-Gazette Staff Writer

Even in the middle of it all, where trees were scorched and the Boeing 757's fuselage disintegrated in a crater that collapsed on itself to leave a gouge maybe 14 feet across, the destruction was so complete that it was hard to imagine what happened.

Coroner remembers Sept. 11
By Marsha Forys, TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Thursday, May 30, 2002

Miller recalled his arrival at the crash site about 20 minutes after the plane plummeted to the earth and described how the aircraft came down at a 45-degree angle. He explained how the cockpit broke off at impact, bouncing into a wooded area of about 60 acres. The resulting fireball scorched about eight acres of trees, he said.
The remainder of the plane burrowed deep into the ground, creating a long, narrow crater.

The day that changed America
By Robb Frederick, TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Wednesday, September 11, 2002

The plane pitched, then rolled, belly up. It hit nose-first, like a lawn dart. It disintegrated, digging more than 30 feet into the earth, which was spongy from the old mine work.

Town embraces role it never sought
The Standard-Times on September 11, 2002.

The strip mine is composed of very soft black soil, and searchers said much of the wreckage was found buried 20 to 25 feet below the large crater.

Terrorism awakened a sleepy Shanksville
Gannett News Service

After buzzing Somerset County, Flight 93 burrowed into a secluded field that was a reclaimed strip mine, two miles from the district’s only school and its 500 pre-kindergarten to senior high school students.

Day of remembrance
David Westphal; News Tribune Washington Bureau
Published: 09/12/02

At 10:06 a.m., the final services began on a field near Shanksville, Pa., where United Flight 93 burrowed into the ground when passengers thwarted terrorists' plans to crash the plane into the Capitol or the White House.

Small town shoulders a nation's grief
© St. Petersburg Times
published September 10, 2003

The site had been mined for coal, then refilled with dirt. It was still soft when Flight 93 crashed, and firefighters said the Boeing 757 tunneled right in. They had to dig 15 feet to find it.

At Flight 93 crash site, family members return; lack of hoopla welcome
Friday, September 12, 2003
By Marylynne Pitz, Post-Gazette Staff Writer

STONYCREEK, Pa. -- Bagpipe music drifted over a hill and into this tranquil valley as nearly 40 family members returned to weep, pray and leave flowers on the ground that swallowed their loved ones on Sept. 11, 2001.

Sacred Ground in Pennsylvania
St. Anthony Messenger
Sept 2006

But it took a while to identify the exact location of impact because there was no plane visible. Sally remembers Jamie phoning them from the site and saying, “There is no plane there, believe me.”
The location was eventually determined because of some disturbed ground in front of a grove of charred evergreens, explains Jamie. The ground had swallowed up much of the wreckage.

Memories of Flight 93 crash still fresh at 5-year anniversary
Sunday, September 03, 2006
post-gazette.com

State police Maj. Frank Monaco remembers the crash site as a "smoking hole in the ground."
"It didn't look like a plane crash," says Maj. Monaco, 56, from New Kensington.
The plane had burrowed into the soft, reclaimed earth of the former strip mine and crumpled like an accordion, he says.

Flight 93 caretakers
September 11, 2008
Baltimore Sun

Waiting to hear stories about the brave passengers and crew of doomed Flight93, waiting to pay their respects, waiting to sit on benches and gaze across a field decorated with white Queen Anne's lace to the spot where a streaking jet was swallowed up by the earth.

Pennsylvania Firefighters Share Bond With Flight 93 Families
Posted: 09-11-2008
Firehouse.com

Dave Andolina, who drove the Central City fire engine to the crash, said it was a hopeless feeling when he arrived. "There was nothing. There were a few spot fires. There were no big pieces, nothing."
Shanksville Chief Terry Shaffer said the earth literally opened, swallowed the aircraft and closed up. He said the ground at the site was soft because it had been a strip mine.

From TV documentary stations

BATTLE FOR FLIGHT 93
History Channel

There was not much left at the crash site. The impact of the fireball from the jet-fuel loaded 757 scorched hundreds of acres of earth around the site and set the surrounding trees ablaze for hours. The fuselage had burrowed so far into the earth that the "black box" was found at a depth of 25 feet below ground .

From Interviews of Local Officials:

The explanation was, when the plane came in, it was coming low. It banked at a 90deg angle -- allegedly from the people, from the struggle in the cockpit.
The right wing hit the ground right there were the impact area is and as that happened, it took the front end...[does cartwheel hand gesture].
The front 1/3 of the plane, including the cockpit, slammed into the ground off of the wing and the front 1/3 broke off and flew up into the trees and there was a fireball behind it and the remaining 2/3'rds went down in the ground. - Wally Miller, 2008

92%-93% of the remains of the aircraft and the people are still in that hole. - BARRY LICHTY, Mayor of Indian Lake

From Flight 93 Memorial Ambassadors:

Female Ambassador: ...just before impact, it had turned on it's back and then it just telescoped into the ground. It hit at 580 mph, which is cruising speed.
Gideon: How much of the plane was recovered?
Ambassador: Over 90%.
Gideon: Where was it, was it all found in the crater?
Ambassador: Basically all in the crater.

80% of the plane was in the crater. - Female Ambassador

Roxxane, Ambassador: The plane came in upside down -- went into the ground at a 45 degree angle.

Because where the plane hit the ground, it literally went into the ground. They had to excavate and try and recover what they could and this top picture shows the excavation that they did. They excavated down about 40-45ft and the last pieces were recovered at about 30-35ft. - Male Ambassador

The plane came in at about a 40 degree angle, going 560 mph, hit that soft ground, slammed into that rocky wall and completely disitegrated. Parts of the cockpit broke off and went back into the woods, but the rest of it went straight down and the ground came in around it, so the actual hole wasn't very large. When the FBI went in for parts, body parts and what not, 35 to 40 feet down in the ground. - Male Ambassador

From book excerpts about the official Flight 93 incident:

I didn't see a single piece of airplane anywhere... Little could be found. Because of the reclaimed strip mine, the ground was softer than other surrounding areas. The plane had pierced the earth like a spoon in a cup of coffee: the spoon forced the coffee back, and then the coffee immediately closed around the spoon as though nothing had troubled the surface. Anything that remained of Flight 93 was buried deep in the ground.
(Lisa Beamer, Let's Roll!: Ordinary People, Extraordinary Courage, July 2002, p. 231)

Bill Baker, the 911 Addressing Specialist for Somerset County's Emergency Management Agency: "When they said it was a 757, I looked out across the debris field. I said, 'There is no way there is a 757 scattered here.' At that time, we didn't know that it was in the hole."
(Kashurba, Courage After the Crash: Flight 93 Aftermath, Aug 2002, p. 42-43)

The fuselage accordioned on itself more than thirty feet into the porous, backfilled ground. It was as if a marble had been dropped into water.
(Longman, Among the Heroes, July 2003, p. 215)

Just in case the skeptics don't know what "burrowed into" means:

TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Sunday, September 8, 2002

At 9:39 a.m., American Flight 77 burrowed into the side of the Pentagon.

awwww....where's the tower, where's the gun

Seriously?


'nuff said

reply to post by ATH911


And yet you ask why there were no reports....then print all the reports.

reply to post by ATH911

As if you need any more proof that nothing was buried under that Shanksville crater, the news media, that was keeping the world up-to-date on the alleged Flight 93 crash, never reported *when* most of Flight 93 was supposedly found buried underground!

You don't see any contradiction here??

There was not much left at the crash site. The impact of the fireball from the jet-fuel loaded 757 scorched hundreds of acres of earth around the site and set the surrounding trees ablaze for hours.

If isn't a flat out exaggeration then I don't know what is. See any of the "hundreds of acres" on fire below? Or how about those "hours long" burning trees? What a bunch of lies...




Perhaps a few scorched trees but not those described as "burning for hours". Another attempt by the MSM to spin into what the powers that be want.







[edit on 10-2-2010 by mikelee]

reply to post by hooper

Jesus hooper, what part of "never reported *when* most of Flight 93 was supposedly found buried" do you not understand? I would have thought emphasizing the word "when" with asterisks would have been enough. How about this: *when* Is that enough emphasis to clue you in on the key word "when"?

reply to post by ATH911


Honestly, I can't tell what you are trying to do here. If I'm supposed to believe that a Boeing 757 is buried in the ground out there, it just ain't gonna happen. If you want me to believe that all of the pieces were recovered at some point, the you will have to say *when* as well as provide some sort of visual evidence. Furthermore, if I'm also expected to believe that the ground acted like coffee.......I'm no geologist but.......that is frickin' retarded. I think this version of events smells, not like coffee, but like BS.

Something that could lend at least the hope of a shred of credibility to the idea that anything other than quicksand, volcanoes, or water can "swallow" a 757, would be to show that it has happened before. You know, so it doesn't fall into that conspicuously large list of events that only occured on that fateful day in history.

United 93 Still Airborne After Alleged Crash - According To ATC/Radar

04/28/09 (PilotsFor911Truth.org) - Recently it has been brought to our attention that Air Traffic Control (ATC) transcripts reveal United 93 as being airborne after it's alleged crash. Similar scenarios have been offered with regard to American 77 and American 11 showing an aircraft target continuing past its alleged crash point in the case of American 11, or past the turn-around point in the case of American 77. However, both these issues can be easily explained by "Coast Mode" radar tracking. This is not the case with United 93.
Radar Coast Mode activates when a transponder is inoperative (or turned off) and primary radar tracking is lost, which enables ATC to have some sort of reference of the flight after losing radar coverage of the physical aircraft. When an aircraft target enters "Coast Mode", ATC is alerted in the form of a blue tag on the target as well as the tag letters switching to CST. ATC will readily recognize when an aircraft enters "Coast Mode".
According to National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) Flight Path Study, United 93 allegedly impacted the ground at 10:03am, September 11, 2001. The following transcript excerpts are provided by the Federal Aviation Administration. It is a conversation between Air Traffic Control System Command Center - East, Management Officers (ntmo-e) and other various facilities. The conversation is as follows in real time:

pilotsfor911truth.org...

You people can believe in the government and the News media who works in hand in hand together. I they all are “paid lairs” and we all can agree on that.

However, new evidences under the FOIA prove flight 93 did not crash, or at lease not in the hole in Shanksville PA that the lying government and Press are saying.

I like to see anyone disprove this information is a lie.




[edit on 10-2-2010 by impressme]

Originally posted by budaruskie

Honestly, I can't tell what you are trying to do here. If I'm supposed to believe that a Boeing 757 is buried in the ground out there, it just ain't gonna happen.

If you think that part of the official story is crazy, get a load of the part of the plane they are saying didn't bury:

He explained how the cockpit broke off at impact, bouncing into a wooded area of about 60 acres.

The front 1/3 of the plane, including the cockpit, slammed into the ground off of the wing and the front 1/3 broke off and flew up into the trees

Parts of the cockpit broke off and went back into the woods

reply to post by ATH911


You're grasping at some kind of straws here and I can't even figure out what kind. What is the argument? You're going in all kinds of circles. They did report it, they didn't report it, they didn't report it soon enough,

Let's start here:

Please link to your database of ALL press reports for a two month period after 9/11. I mean, the only way you can possibly make the statement that it wasn't reported WHEN it happened is to carefully exam ALL press reports at the time. Unless, of course, your argument is purely anecdotal based on your very bias point of view.

reply to post by hooper

First hooper, do you now concede that the official story is that most of Flight 93 buried?

yes or no

reply to post by ATH911


No. There is no "official story" with regard to how much was buried, covered by ejected material from the impact, etc. You are trying to argue with a non-existant claim cobbled together from newspaper articles, quotes from volunteer ambassadors and not even trying to distinguish from a reports hyperbole and the transmission of facts.

Let me ask you something - one of the reports mentioned something about how the earth "swallowed" the plane - do you believe the earth has a mouth?

There is no doubt that some of the remains of the plane were embedded in the earth, some of it was not, etc. You keep trying to find some kind of traction by repeating this argument of incredulity, but you're just spinning your wheels. It is not going anywhere. Your constant self-contradiction - you are trying to prove there were no press reports about the plane being embedded by posting press reports of the plane being embedded - proves that you're at a logical cul-de-sac and keep going around in circles trying to find your way out.

Just admit that the Flight 93 terminated in Somerset County as proven by physical evidence found there.

reply to post by hooper

Hahaha! Talk about spinning wheels.

OK hooper, tell me, if the official story is not that most of Flight 93 buried, why are all those news reports, ambassadors, and non-conspiracy book authors (including Lisa Beamer) all saying that most of Flight 93 was buried?

Let me ask you something - one of the reports mentioned something about how the earth "swallowed" the plane - do you believe the earth has a mouth?

Jesus Christ hooper, they are using a metaphor!!! What the hell is wrong with you?!? Did you not graduate high school?

Your constant self-contradiction - you are trying to prove there were no press reports about the plane being embedded by posting press reports of the plane being embedded

Poor hooper, I now understand why you don't seem to understand much. I'll walk your hand through it.

I've never said the media never reported that most of the plane had been "swallowed" up by the earth (remember, that's only a "metaphor"!), I'm saying the media never reported right away (as in same day or next day) when the excavators supposedly found most of UA93 was underground which the media SHOULD HAVE DONE with such an amazing story (that most of a large commercial plane supposedly had buried which would have been the first time in history!).

Weedwacker believe mosts of UA93 had buried.

Y'know...Just as a brief aside,this is the one case where it would be possible to reconstruct pretty damn close to original conditions for an actual mock up crash test and try to reproduce an anomalous event on that spectacle day9-11.I'd pay to see that.Let's all see if the "soft earth" could "swallow up" a plane filled with crash dummies.
(I know what you're thinking,stop that!)

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reply to post by ATH911

I've never said the media never reported that most of the plane had been "swallowed" up by the earth (remember, that's only a "metaphor"!),

You're kidding right? That was actually the title to some of your post! I see why you are now so desperately trying to backpedal away from that outrageous statement having been so obviously caught contradicting your own argument.

I'm saying the media never reported right away (as in same day or next day) when the excavators supposedly found most of UA93 was underground which the media SHOULD HAVE DONE with such an amazing story (that most of a large commercial plane supposedly had buried which would have been the first time in history!).

Yes, because God knows it was such a slow news period. Nothing else going on, not much else to cover, maybe the world series playoffs. Oh, and the impending war, the search for survivors at the World Trade Center, the heavily damaged Pentagon, the stock market being closed for the first time in history, etc, etc. Wow, if you're looking for evidence of an "inside job" in that observation you are really grasping at straws.

Oh, and by the way you never proved that there was no mention in the media about the recovery process in Shanksville. So you haven't even proven you're own basic premise yet and you want to argue about its meaning.

I know its a metaphor - you are the one that seems to have trouble separating hyperbole from factual reporting.

Originally posted by hooper
You're kidding right? That was actually the title to some of your post! I see why you are now so desperately trying to backpedal away from that outrageous statement having been so obviously caught contradicting your own argument.

Oh I see hooper, you're the type a person who judges a book by the title.

Say, in that thread you are referring to, please paste the first paragraph of it that I wrote for all the world to see if I am now trying to backpedal as you are accusing me of.

Yes, because God knows it was such a slow news period. Nothing else going on, not much else to cover, maybe the world series playoffs. Oh, and the impending war, the search for survivors at the World Trade Center, the heavily damaged Pentagon, the stock market being closed for the first time in history, etc, etc. Wow, if you're looking for evidence of an "inside job" in that observation you are really grasping at straws.

Are you saying that the reason the media didn't report about one of the most amazing things in aviation history is because it wasn't a slow news period?!? They reported when the recorders and engine part were supposedly dug out of the ground. Must not of been that slow! lol

Oh, and by the way you never proved that there was no mention in the media about the recovery process in Shanksville. So you haven't even proven you're own basic premise yet and you want to argue about its meaning.

I've searched and searched news reports between 9/13 and 9/16 (the days it would have been realized if most of the plane was underground) and even the following days until 9/24 (the day the FBI finish there Shanksville investigation) and can't find one mention of it in the media. The earliest news article that hints that most of UA93 was buried appears to be 10/15/01, well after the supposed fact. Most articles that gave a clear indication that most of UA93 buried were not until a year, or more later.

Here's a timeline of news articles from the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette: www.post-gazette.com...

They reported when both black boxes were supposedly dug up. Please show me which article(s) they reported when most of the plane was found underground too (supposedly).

Feel free to check any other news outlet in the world too.

I know its a metaphor - you are the one that seems to have trouble separating hyperbole from factual reporting.

Are you accusing people like Lisa Beamer of writing hyperbole?

I didn't see a single piece of airplane anywhere... Little could be found. Because of the reclaimed strip mine, the ground was softer than other surrounding areas. The plane had pierced the earth like a spoon in a cup of coffee: the spoon forced the coffee back, and then the coffee immediately closed around the spoon as though nothing had troubled the surface. Anything that remained of Flight 93 was buried deep in the ground.
(Lisa Beamer, Let's Roll!: Ordinary People, Extraordinary Courage, July 2002, p. 231)

[edit on 11-2-2010 by ATH911]

Originally posted by ATH911

Coroner's quiet unflappability helps him take charge of Somerset tragedy
Monday, October 15, 2001
By Tom Gibb, Post-Gazette Staff Writer

Even in the middle of it all, where trees were scorched and the Boeing 757's fuselage disintegrated in a crater that collapsed on itself to leave a gouge maybe 14 feet across, the destruction was so complete that it was hard to imagine what happened.

Fixed link above.

[edit on 11-2-2010 by ATH911]

reply to post by ATH911


Woops! You're back to most was underground! You still haven't shown where that was the case! Prove your basics first.

Why 9/13 to 9/16? Do you have some evidence that the entire recovery process was completed on 9/16? I don't think so. And why are you limiting your search to the Pittsburgh paper?

Face it, you have nothing. The plane crashed. Some if it became embedded in the earth, some of it scattered about the impact site and some of it was distributed among the material ejected from the impact crater. They reported when they found the recorders because of the obvious significance of those items as in all plane crashes.

On 9/16 they were still hoping to find survivors at ground zero, there wasn't even a full accounting of all the dead yet. There was still smoke rising from the rubble. The idea that the press didn't report that pieces of the beverage cart from Flight 93 were found embedded in the soil in Shanksville isn't really a basis for crying "inside job".

Oh, and by the way, the title to your OP's are basically an introduction to your argument. That's why your self-contradcition is so terminally silly.

Originally posted by hooper
Woops! You're back to most was underground! You still haven't shown where that was the case! Prove your basics first.

Back to your trolling ways? I say that because not even you can be that unintelligent to ask that when this very thread is about all the dozens of reports inferring most of UA93 had buried.

Why 9/13 to 9/16? Do you have some evidence that the entire recovery process was completed on 9/16? I don't think so.

Jesus hooper, are you inebriated? Can't you read what I wrote?

between 9/13 and 9/16 (the days it would have been realized if most of the plane was underground) and even the following days until 9/24 (the day the FBI finish there Shanksville investigation)

But as to why 9/13 and 9/16, I'll walk your hand through it since it's obvious you have a hard to comprehending things.

On 9/13, the FBI supposedly found the FDR down at a depth of 15 ft.
On 9/14, the FBI supposedly found the CVR down at a depth of 25 ft.
9/16, the FBI and other investigators at the scene have excavated the crash site down to a depth of about 45 feet looking for clues.

45 feet if the final depth they dug too, so in between 9/13 and 9/16, that when they would have dug out all the plane wreckage from the ground.

And why are you limiting your search to the Pittsburgh paper?

Jesus hooper, what part of "Feel free to check any other news outlet in the world too" did you not read?!?

Face it, you have nothing. The plane crashed. Some if it became embedded in the earth, some of it scattered about the impact site and some of it was distributed among the material ejected from the impact crater.

MOST of it became embedded in the earth, officially (See the OP -- and ask Weedwacker and Reheat!).

They reported when they found the recorders because of the obvious significance of those items as in all plane crashes.

They reported when one of the engines was supposedly dug out. Even took a photo of it allegedly being dug out of the ground. So the FBI found it significant to photograph the recorders and engine part supposedly being dug out of the ground, but they didn't bother with the rest (majority) of the plane? The FBI reported to the media that they dug out the recorders and engine part, but didn't bother telling the media right away when they realized that most of the plane was buried too?

The idea that the press didn't report that pieces of the beverage cart from Flight 93 were found embedded in the soil in Shanksville isn't really a basis for crying "inside job".

If most of the plane was buried, most of the passengers would be assumed buried too since NO BODIES and NO BLOOD were reported above ground. You telling me that's would be significant to report?

Speaking of your childish attempt to mock my arguments with your beverage cart mention, where were the 200 passenger seats?

Oh, and by the way, the title to your OP's are basically an introduction to your argument. That's why your self-contradcition is so terminally silly.

Judging a book by it's cover. I see how you operate. Aren't you skeptics always accusing us truthers of quote mining?