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Obama says US court ruling a blow to democracy

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posted on Jan, 23 2010 @ 03:18 PM
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Originally posted by pexx421
Yeah, obama is sold. This ruling is evil, however. We were already a corporatocracy, and we need to be moving away from it, but instead we are allowing it to be entrenched. Corporate money involved in elections is the destruction of democracy. ANY money involved in elections is the destruction of democracy. Until all elections are given free and equal airtime, with real debates where reporters ask serious and pertinent questions, all will we have is whichever candidate gets the most contributions will be the president, ergo, whichever president promises the corporations the most support gets to be president.

Hate to bring it up, but hence ron paul. Not allowed any airtime during elections, only invited to 3 debates which he completely dominated. Massive funding for a candidate that most people had never even heard of at the time. All due to corporations deciding upon our 3 main runners.


So you figure since this is just allowing foreign agents to join in the raping of America then it's ok.

Since Obama is "sold" then why is he against this? Just how does this help Ron Paul getting on Debates? How will it get Ron Paul airtime, is he somehow kowtowing to Corporations?

I though Ron Paul was a bastion of Patriotism. I guess I had it wrong.

Next election will be decided by Microsoft, Google, Walmart, and ???

Ziggy Strange




posted on Jan, 23 2010 @ 04:43 PM
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Dear Obama,

What educational system did you grow up in that calls the United States of America a "Democracy"? We are the world's oldest Constitutional Republic.

Who care if this decision "deals a blow to Democracy".. we are not, nor have we as a nation ever been one.



posted on Jan, 23 2010 @ 05:03 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by ziggystrange
 

Dear Obama,

What educational system did you grow up in that calls the United States of America a "Democracy"? We are the world's oldest Constitutional Republic.

Who care if this decision "deals a blow to Democracy".. we are not, nor have we as a nation ever been one.




Hello NOTurTypical,


What he said was "a blow to democracy". You conveniently twisted the words to fit your agenda.

It is a blow to democracy, as it perverts the system by allowing foreign agents to legally elect the Candidates they want.

I believe the problem is, this is a blow to Americans of any Political ideology.

The core of our existence is sovereignty, this is why we revolted against England. That self determination, and intolerance.

Taxation without representation. What sort of representation is it to allow foreign interests to decide who governs us?

That is the question, not how you dissect a sentence, and pull from it what you want it to mean.

How do you feel about surrendering our government to our enemies abroad?

Ziggy Strange



posted on Jan, 23 2010 @ 05:05 PM
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Kind of brings that whole Constitutional Scholar thing into question doesn't it?


I have to say, I am going to have to count the threads on this. How many now 12 and counting.

Hey mods, let's set up another folder section.

We could call it the "Obama has saved the world for Democracy thingys"




posted on Jan, 23 2010 @ 05:57 PM
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reply to post by CoolBlackHole
 
Along the same lines, Copenhagen was a fantastic success; they set up the new world govt, but one big problem~they ran out of caviar!




posted on Jan, 23 2010 @ 07:25 PM
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Well according to some of the founding fathers like James Madison this Constitutional Republic is a Representative Democracy.

It is a blow to democracy because we elect our representatives to government through a democratic process. Now non living entities will have more of an influence than ever on who gets elected.

I can just see it now, "This election brought to you by Pricewaterhouse Coopers, GE, and Haliburton." I wonder if Senators and Representatives will have to wear corporate logo jackets? I mean this is great if your a Republican, it means that your corporate masters will finally be able to run the show in the open.



posted on Jan, 23 2010 @ 07:31 PM
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Originally posted by endisnighe
reply to post by NOTurTypical
 


Kind of brings that whole Constitutional Scholar thing into question doesn't it?




Hi Endisnighe,

So your opinion is that this is good decision, and you question Obama's what? His being a Constitutional Scholar?
Like it or not he is.

Explain to me how it's Patriotic to sell the vote to foreign interests?
You of all people, after the Patriot threads you authored, should be the last person to give up what sovereignty we had.

I know. This is about free speech.

No E it's not just about free speech. I can understand you not liking Obama, but why roll over and play dead when a real attack on liberty smacks you in the face.

I thought you would be outraged, I was mistaken. Remember this one for future reference ok?

See you around.


Ziggy Strange



posted on Jan, 23 2010 @ 08:14 PM
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I will back any and all constitutional legislation.

The sooner the unConstitutional crap is thrown out the better.

It is amazing that it took 9 years to get this case to the SC.

I wonder who decides what cases actually reach the SC and at what pace things are done in that old hollowed halls we speak of, as the seat of government known as Washington DC.

It comes to mind that during the latest election cycle that an almost unknown movie was stopped being aired because it MAY have hurt the Clinton campaign.

It really speaks of hypocrisy and deceit by our current Potus, to even speak of this ruling, seeing his campaign contributions included foreign, banks, mega corps, unions and other such sundery finances.

It behooves me to speak, of the outright fraud and corruption that pervades our government to its very core.

I will not be sidetracked in my endeavors, to point out both sides of the two headed snake.

Like the absolute hypocrisy I hear now about Palin, starting to help out the McCain re-election campaign.

I can think of no one better, to call a true American Patriot, then Ron Paul.

Let his words speak for me-



Transcript of this speech! Go get em Dr. Paul

Ron Paul: The title to my special order tonight is ‘Current Conditions or Just a Bad Dream’.

Could it all be a bad dream or a nightmare? Is it my imagination or have we lost our minds?

It’s surreal, it’s just not believable.

A grand absurdity, a great deception, a delusion of momentous proportions based on preposterous notions and on ideas whose time should never have come.

Simplicity, grossly distorted and complicated.

Insanity, passed off as logic.

Grandiose schemes built on falsehoods with the morality of Ponzi and Madoff.

Evil described as virtue.

Ignorance pawned off as wisdom.

Destruction and impoverishment in the name of humanitarianism.

Violence, the tool of change.

Preventive wars used as the road to peace.

Tolerance delivered by government guns.

Reactionary views in the guise of progress.

An empire replacing the republic.

Slavery sold as liberty.

Excellence and virtue traded for mediocrity.

Socialism to save capitalism.

A government out of control, unrestrained by the constitution, the rule of law or morality. Bickering over petty politics as we descend into chaos. The philosophy that destroys us is not even defined.

We have broken from reality a psychotic nation. Ignorance with a pretense of knowledge replacing wisdom. Money does not grow on trees, nor does prosperity come from a government printing press or escalating deficits.

We are now in the midst of unlimited spending of the people’s money. Exorbitant taxation, deficits of trillions of dollars spent on a failed welfare-warfare system. An epidemic of cronyism. Unlimited supplies of paper money equated with wealth. A central bank that deliberately destroys the value of the currency in secrecy, without restraint, without nary a whimper, yet cheered on by the pseudo-capitalists of Wall Street, the military-industrial complex, and Detroit.

We police our world empire with troops on 700 bases and in 130 countries around the world. A dangerous war now spreads throughout the Middle East and Central Asia. Thousands of innocent people being killed as we become known as the torturers of the 21st century.

We assume that by keeping the already known torture pictures from the public’s eye, we will be remembered only as a generous and good people. If our enemies want to attack us only because we are free and rich, proof of torture would be irrelevant.

The sad part of all this is that we have forgotten what made America great, good and prosperous. We need to quickly refresh our memories and once again reinvigorate our love, understanding and confidence in liberty.

The status quo cannot be maintained considering the current conditions. Violence and lost liberty will result without some revolutionary thinking. We must escape from the madness of crowds now gathering.

The good news is that reversal is achievable through peaceful and intellectual means, and fortunately the number of those who care are growing exponentially.

Of course it could all be a bad dream, a nightmare, and that I’m seriously mistaken, overreacting, and that my worries are unfounded. I hope so. But just in case, we ought to prepare ourselves for revolutionary changes in the not-too-distant future.



posted on Jan, 23 2010 @ 08:20 PM
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let me guess. sotomayor was the tiebreaking vote and the guy that is going to benefit the most next election is "complaining". you're telling me the guy who has practically a dictorship in the senate and congress can't pass healthcare reform. it's fun watching the roman empire fall for the second time while your state sponsered news agency tells u everthing is all right.



posted on Jan, 23 2010 @ 08:45 PM
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Originally posted by Gregarious
 
Along the same lines, Copenhagen was a fantastic success; they set up the new world govt, but one big problem~they ran out of caviar!


No boozy elite party yet in Copenhagen. Unforeseenly. Because ClimateGate cooked their goose.



posted on Jan, 23 2010 @ 08:54 PM
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We can thank the conservatives for screwing it up for everyone else. I'm no Obama fan, but I'm on his side for this one.



posted on Jan, 23 2010 @ 09:32 PM
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And what can he do about it? The highest court in the land just sold us down the river! The MSM will not bash this one because they love the move guaranteed. Which means that that we are stuck with it.

Welcome to the United States of Fox News folks. I don’t know though the United States of Wal-Mart might make for some really cheap Chinese crap in unheard of numbers. Lets just hope we don’t see the United States of Lockheed Martin. Hell before long monopoly’s will be completely legal. If this move does not say America has been sold I don’t know what does!



[edit on 23-1-2010 by Donkey_Dean]



posted on Jan, 23 2010 @ 09:43 PM
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Most people still don't get it.

Pick a side.

Pick a team.


Infamous Mayer Amschel Rothschild Quote

"Give me control of a nation's money
and I care not who makes the laws."


Two Words for the people that are still a sleep.

Red Herrings



posted on Jan, 23 2010 @ 09:53 PM
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No, supporting the freedom of speech is not a blow to democracy. People who vote for candidates who's biggest support is from for-profit corporations... now that is a blow to democracy. But gee, people can vote against that... problem solved without the supreme court!

Yet, which of the court rulings really is a blow to democracy? The one that stated AT&T was correct to cooperate with the NSA to spy on people's conversations at random!? No, come on... that was the blow to democracy! But Obama will never speak out against it because like all the others in power (less Ron Paul and possibly a small handful of others), his biggest support came from for-profit corporations.

So the fake blow to democracy gets the coverage while the real one is swept under the carpet by the news media. Yet again! And even ATS members swallow it.

Again, the ruling by the supreme court regarding the corporate donations was in favor of liberty. The ruling of the wiretapping so that government could spy on us all... that was the ruling against democracy!

I must have accidentally warped into a world where democracy is domestic spying by government and tyranny is having the freedom to donate as much as you'd like both as an individual and as a collective (part of a corporation). I think I'd rather have tyranny if tyranny means doing whatever I want with MY money and not being spied on by government. But that isn't tryanny and this isn't a democracy we live in. What we have today is a fascist Republic.

There are two ways to reduce the level of fascism in the US. You can mow down the freedom of speech using limitations on advertising spending, like Obama has just suggested. Or as an alternative, we could stop voting for people who take the big corporate checks and live like kings... like Obama does on both counts!

I believe Obama has taken the big checks and the elitist support with the intention of turning around and saying "thanks suckers... now we do things my way"... but it won't work. He's painted himself in a moral corner and it was wrong no matter how you cut it. Ironically he's speaking out against what put people like him into power... people's freedom to vote for complete sell-outs if they so chose. I'm sorry but I'd rather have things completely in the hands of the voter and let voters screw themselves over if they want, because that is one of the things democracy is about... the ability for America to allow itself to make mistakes. If you can't make mistakes you are never going to improve.

[edit on 23-1-2010 by truthquest]



posted on Jan, 23 2010 @ 09:57 PM
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Originally posted by Stormdancer777



* Obama worries about 'foreign entities' getting involved


does he now?
newsmax.com...
Secret, Foreign Money Floods Into Obama Campaign


More than half of the whopping $426.9 million Barack Obama has raised has come from small donors whose names the Obama campaign won't disclose.

And questions have arisen about millions more in foreign donations the Obama campaign has received that apparently have not been vetted as legitimate.


[edit on 093131p://bSaturday2010 by Stormdancer777]


People like you just make me feel warm and fuzzy all over. What a great post.

I for one like this decision.

I hope to see this trend of Obama not getting what he wants continue.



posted on Jan, 23 2010 @ 10:05 PM
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Originally posted by Donkey_Dean
And what can he do about it? The highest court in the land just sold us down the river! The MSM will not bash this one because they love the move guaranteed. Which means that that we are stuck with it.

Welcome to the United States of Fox News folks. I don’t know though the United States of Wal-Mart might make for some really cheap Chinese crap in unheard of numbers. Lets just hope we don’t see the United States of Lockheed Martin. Hell before long monopoly’s will be completely legal. If this move does not say America has been sold I don’t know what does!

[edit on 23-1-2010 by Donkey_Dean]


Its the voters who will be selling us down the river. Campaign financing is a public information. Therefore, if they don't like fascism all they have to do is not vote for it.



posted on Jan, 23 2010 @ 10:15 PM
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Maybe I'm missing something here.

I am incorporated.

Why am I NOT entitled to 1st amendment rights that some other persons/corporations were entitled to before yesterday?

(in most countries, a corporation is legally a "person")

Why did these media corporations enjoy the right to spend or publish freely about their preferred candidates, but not me?


"First tier" media corporations (exempt from "campaign finance" restrictions prior to 1/21/10):
Time Warner
Disney
Bertelsmann
Viacom
News Corporation
TCI
General Electric
Sony
Columbia
TriStar Pictures
Seagram
Universal
CBS
New York Times Co.
Hearst
Comcast
Gannett
CNN
Headline News
CNNfn
TBS
TNT
Turner Classic Movies
Comedy Central
Court TV
HBO
Cinemax
PrimeStar
Warner Brothers
New Line Cinema
Time
People
Sports Illustrated
Time-Life Books
Warner Music Group
Six Flags
Capital Cities/ABC
Miramax
Buena Vista
Fairchild Publications
Chilton Publications;
Hyperion Books
Hollywood Records
Mammoth Records
Walt Disney Records
Univision

"Second Tier" media corporations:
# Westinghouse
# Advance Publications
# Gannett
# Cox Enterprises
# Times-Mirror
# Comcast
# McGraw Hill
# Reader's Digest
# Knight-Ridder
# Dow Jones
# New York Times Co.
# Tribune Co.
# Hearst
# Washington Post Co.
# Cablevision
# DirecTV (Owned by General Motors)
# DreamWorks
# Thomson
# Rogers Communications
# Hollinger
# Cisneros Group
# Globo
# Clarin
# Televisa
# Havas
# Reed Elsevier
# EMI
# Hachette
# Reuters
# Kirch Group
# Granada Group
# BBC
# Axel Springer
# Canal Plus
# CLT
# Pearson PLC
# United News & Media
# Carlton Communications
# Mediaset
# Kinnevik
# Television Francais 1
# Verlagsgruppe Bauer
# Wolters Kluwer
# RCS Editori Spa
# VNU
# Prisa Group
# Antena 3
# CEP Communications
# NHK
# Fuji Television
# Nippon Television Network
# Cheil Jedang
# Tokyo Broadcasting System
# Modi
# Asahi National Broadcasting Co.
# Toho Company
# PBL
# TVB International
# Chinese Entertainment Television
# Asia Broadcasting and Communica-tions Network
# ABS-CBN
# Doordarshan
# Chinese Central Television


These "media corporations" were exempt from the McCain- Feingold and prior restrictions.

Why? What makes them so special?

There is no reason for one "group" of people to have special privileges under the Constitution at the expense of others.

In the U.S., a "corporation" is a "person." Learn something.

Deny ignorance!

jw



posted on Jan, 23 2010 @ 10:35 PM
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Originally posted by Carseller4

The liberal justices were against it, liberals are screaming foul, and now Barack (CSPAN) Obama is against it.

This tells me the Supreme Court made the right decision!

Liberals hate freedom of speech, and this just proves it.


This post above is a great example of the sad state of many American voters.

Liberals hate it, so I must love it! Critical thinking? Who needs that! Now please, tell me what else I need to think!

Baa, Baa, black sheep, have you any wool?


It really speaks of hypocrisy and deceit by our current Potus, to even speak of this ruling, seeing his campaign contributions included foreign, banks, mega corps, unions and other such sundery finances.

It behooves me to speak, of the outright fraud and corruption that pervades our government to its very core.


Agreed, let's continue to remind everyone that the Democrats are still part of this system and still gladly and greedily swallow cash at the expense of the country's well-being.

People need to realize that big business, unions, and special interests have always had influence in government. However, their influence was at least slightly mitigated by the public.

This decision complete destroys any influence the American public has in politics. The new public is now the international corporations and the elite that controls them. We have lost our voice, and it is the fault of both the left and right in the system for allowing it to reach this point.

[edit on 23-1-2010 by Avenginggecko]



posted on Jan, 23 2010 @ 10:57 PM
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The country just got sold. The Obama-haters applaud the move. Not smart, guys.

Incidentally, these corporations are not non-living entities with free speech rights. They are owned by people. Indeed, I think the majority of corporations are not even public traded.



posted on Jan, 23 2010 @ 11:12 PM
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The problem with an issue like this is that the participants wanting legislation like this stopped have the first amendment behind their side - not necessarily in a good way.

Lobbyists/corporations as a single unit are in the minority when grouped against the rest of the nation, yet the wealth such a corporation can lobby compared to a normal individual is enormously different.

This issue is not about freedom of speech but a flaw in the capitalism/(representative) democracy conglomerate itself.

In capitalism, money buys power, but in a democracy the people "rule".

Where is the fine line in issues like this? Do we protect our capitalist ideals that help promote competition and spur economic growth, or do we let the majority of people win which could possibly hamper the economic system all together? After all, the majority does NOT know best most of the time, because 90% of people follow strict family tradition or get their information directly from the MSM.

Like others said, corporations ARE people.

My final opinion is that lobbyists should be allowed. They are not the problem. The problem is the politicians. Whether or not they get donations, they should be voting for what is right.

Politicians represent the people WHO VOTED THEM IN, NOT WHO GIVE THEM THE BONUS MONEY!!!



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