Originally posted by plumranch
reply to post by yiersan
American friends who would think otherwise and that your system needs some kind of renovation.
The renovation has already begun and the 2010 election will probably bring about very decisive change. US nationalism is still very much alive and
well on the left, right and libertarian.
The bottom line for any nation is emigration. People wanting to get into a country to work, escape an oppressive government, find opportunity or for
the highly educated and talented to reach their potential.
Who do you know that is educated and talented wants to emigrate to England, France, Germany, South Africa, Isreal, Brasil, India and lastly China?
On the other hand the US has an abundance of people emigrating for all reasons and especially because they want to enjoy the technical challenges
still available here in the US. Microsoft, Google, Apple and a host of others are still hiring! IE: If you are talented come here!
The challenge for developed nations now and in the future is how to attract new laborers, middle class and especially the educated and talented. That
is very much an ongoing problem in the West that is not shared by the US.
You made a nice point about "emigration". Yet, never forget that people leave a country not only because they felt oppressed, finding for a better
opportunity, new lifestyle, back to the roots and so on and so on, two main reasons those political and economic.
As for the emigration to the other countries you mentioned. Well, it happens that I was born and raised in the Netherlands, and it happens that with
my master degree I met quite a lot of well educated people from all over the world during my student period (and afterwards). Let's say England,
Germany and France I have/had friends from America or Asia (Japan/Korea/HK/TW/Singapore etc) with a good education who are now working and living
there. I have at least one very close Dutch friend who kinda moved to Shanghai to work and got married with a local Chinese woman. During my 4 years
in China I have met a hugeload of expats, mostly ordinary business men who simply do not want care too much and wanna provide their children a better
future, so many of them brought their whole family to here. I went to places like in Yunnan and Hainan provinces, where retired European/Americans
decided to live in China. And the 2nd-4th generation of Chinese, who are born and raised with a good education from all over the world are trying to
come back to China. Even in my company or my relatives/friends are continuous receiving application letters from these kinds of younger generation
Chinese from abroad.....
Plenty of if you do look around. YET, technically speaking, you are not allowed to call those "emigrants" doing any "emigration". Because China is
officially not letting anyone to immigrate to China.
On the other hand, you do still see a lot of "emigration" from China to places like HK, Europe/America, from especially the middle-class to rich
ones. AND then you still have a lot of human traffic "fleeing" out of poverty by lower educated from lesser developed China provinces, trying their
luck in the Western world, that's why you will still see too many illegals in the Statest etc.
Look, by no means I want to discuss why someone should come to China or leave USA, reality is just that the balances are shifting. Yes, USA is still
very attractive too many, but it does not mean the rest of the world is not appealing for others with other political, economic and/or personal
motivations.... Ps. I could't let it not said, to work for Microsoft, Apple, Google and the like you do not need to be in the States ;-)
Ps. I also THOUGHT the renovations would start with Obama winning the election. But honestly speaking I do feel slightly disappointed in how slow and
seemingly even destructive policies being passed through again and again. As for his foreign affairs, it is plainout a bad performance in it, you can
see and feel he has not much experience and not too much confidence, at least he is not as charming a sbefore, his credibility is declining so much
over here in China that jokes were made about him during his visit. Also ironically, while his government is kinda begging China to keep on buying
those junkbonds, he dares to let their defense secretary claim and put China among the refreshed list of evil of axis, or at least the nations to be
noted as "enemy". How would you feel to replaced in an "enemy list", which the replacement you replaced were invaded, attacked and destroyed by
those who created this "enemy list". Does this list means you are the next target???