Originally posted by plumranch
reply to post by yiersan
Thanks! Interesting perspective that otherwise we don't get on ATS.
Most westerners wouldn't want to live under your Chinese Communist System mostly because we like our freedoms. Sounds like you and other middle class
Chinese and people involved in government have your needs met but the vast majority of the lower working and agricultural people are much worse off.
The Communist system seems to be working for you but it didn't work out so well for the USSR. The basic weakness is that resources are allocated by a
committee not by economic needs and demands. When times are good it works and when they aren't is when it starts to break down and when it gets real
bad you have collapse and revolution.
You have an ongoing experiment unfolding, history being written, a new government being tested for its limits. Here we fully believe that our system
has stood the test of time and is based on proven principles that will serve us well through the next century. That is in spite of the ultra left big
spending Obama Administration, the Bush era or anything else history may bring our way!
To what extend we can call the current Chinese system "communistic"? And what is defined as "freedom"?
This new system, new test which I think it is hard to label it with traditional Western terminologies, maybe only describe it at its best. The current
Chinese system is a socialistic open market system with Chinese characteristics which the communistic tint is gradually being replaced by nationalism,
USSR was a failure, pre-Deng reforms' China was a failure. In modern China anyone with the willpower and the sense will be able to get up the ladder
rapidly, plenty of opportunities all around everyone. Farmers, Workers and so on, current middle-class and millionaires are relatively younger people
between 30-50 only, who are mostly self-made men and women.
I do not agree that there is not enough freedom in China. No religious freedom is BS, you look around yourself and you will see enough temples and
even churches are being built everywhere. Expressing of opinions, all well and fine, just keep it constructive instead of trying to be too extreme and
running too fast (progressive) and be an obstacle to the grand agenda. Of course opposite opinions and sound can shapen up the grand agenda and
fine-tune it, and even at points where it is bluntly huge mistakes can help it to be corrected. But I sincerely do not believe most of the people are
giving and are capable enough to provide real constructive criticism, to often it becomes power hungry greedy people. Example: In HK 5 parlimant
members from two parties went to the extreme of "resigning" to force a new election which they plan to contend in to "make a 'Revolutionary'
point", results is that HK has to waste 100,000,000 HKD PUBLIC money in organizing the new election. These are absurd things you see in so-called
democractic systems. Happening in Europe, Asia and America.
And eventually regarding the so-called freedom of speech, it really depends on the elite, either you live in China or in USA/Europe, if they indeed
listen or not. From the elite to the provincial/state level to the county, community level, it really depends on the individual officials in charge if
they listen and implement well-intended policies. Again, if China can set up a good transparant controlling body like the HK's ICAC for Mainland
China, and trust level for the government bodies increase, I believe that the Chinese future is very bright. The whole system will be so much more
efficient and productive.
Personally I feel it is just sad what is going on in the States, I am not so sure if the majority of your fellow Americans share with your opinion
that they really believe your system already past the test. To see how president after president is destroying it is just rampantly darkening my eyes
maybe. The constitution is well written, but is the ideology indeed being followed up by the people who should. Followed is one thing, is it being
protected? Or was it being abused step by step by greediness and selfishness, causing whoever really still sincerely believe in that ideology to have
ANY chance of getting up the ladder in protecting and fulfilling it? After all, isn't the American system supposed to provide the equality and the
chance to move up? Individuals not being part of certain groups will probabaly never have the chance anymore to be there on the top waving your flag
and produly sinnhe national song. It looks like that top of the pyramid is filled with hyeana's and snakes only...... These years I am seriously
giving thoughts to which system will collapse faster, the one new experiment trying to feed over 20% of the population or the old one who shaped and
formed a sole world superpower?
[edit on 27-1-2010 by yiersan]