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Originally posted by johnny2127
So let me get this straight; what you are saying is that the police should not try to prevent a once peaceful protest from spiraling further out of control, because kids are there and may get mace in their eyes? Really? Thats your logic? You don't carry it the one extra step? Here is one extra step: if they didn't do anything and it got more out of control the kids could have been hurt badly or killed. Then if that happened, someone like you would post a link saying that police stood by and let kids get hurt or killed during a demonstration, and did nothing. With people like you, police cannot win. It is that attitude and those blinders that immediately clouds your judgment and perception of statements and events.
Originally posted by endisnighe
reply to post by Matthew Dark
Trust you on this one? WHY THE HELL SHOULD I TRUST YOU!
There must have been something.
I am getting so sick and tired of people spreading their emotions like it is fact.
At least it's a start. If you're not in the area personally dealing with the situation, then why so hostile? Perhaps you should take some of that energy and focus it on proper spelling and grammar.
Their is a federal investigation, whoo hoo, good for the federales!
Yeah, okay, why don't you get right on that. You obviously seem to have all the answers.
How about an investigation into why Federal laws are not enforced!
Man, what propagandized drivel.
Originally posted by johnny2127
Here is how people like you think: he's corrupted the Justice System by actually enforcing the laws. How dare he!
The federal govt is investigating him for enforcing laws, and for not listening to them when they tell him not to enforce certain laws. He tells them, sorry but he doesn't take his orders from the federal govt.
Sorry, but he was elected as Sheriff and will be again. Why? Because he does exactly what you are complaining about...... enforcing laws. With the problems going on in Phoenix right now, I really doubt you want some touchy feely liberal police force down there. If anything you need more police, and more leeway to enforce laws.
Originally posted by Lillydale
I live all the way in NY and people here worship Sheriff Joe. He gets these hour long specials on MSNBC to tout his perfect little world. I know people here that will defend that man to the death and really have no idea what he is all about. They think he is an example to be followed. Sheriff Joe has a LOOOOOOOOOOOONG reach with much media support. I know about as much about him as you posted and what is seen on tv and it is clear that he is painted in a light rather different than reality seems to be discovering. My condolences.
#2: So you think they should be more lenient on DUI's so that people feels less reason not to drive drunk and put others in danger? That makes no sense. You are more concerned with people being able to pay for a taxi than the lives driving drunk puts in danger. I for one, wish the rest of the country had the Phoenix DUI policies.
#3: We both know they don't just arrest youths for being outside. Come on man, be serious and intellectually honest. If any kids are out during curfew, the police tell them they have to get inside. If they can't the police call their parents and have them come get them. The only times arrests happen are if there are actual crimes beyond curfew going on.
#4: I still have no clue what you are talking about here. I have been all over that valley, and never see police harassing people for being outside. If there are groups walking through a neighborhood late at night, I see no problem with police asking what they are doing. I have never ever seen cops harassing anyone purely because they don't look like they have money. Never. ever.
#5: Same point, you care more about people's ability to pay for a cab than the danger these people put others in. You need to remember what the job of the police is. It is to protect the general public from danger and harm. DUI's whether in a car or on a bike endanger others, and it is the legal duty of police to protect the public from that
It is to protect the general public from danger and harm.
Originally posted by Jordan River
that's nothing. I've been bear maced. Or it was the hottest ever mace out on the market.
Originally posted by johnny2127
They don't work in Northern Europe my friend. The rates of depression and suicide have sky rocketed in those area you talk about, mostly because the people there immediately tried escapism through drugs, booze and hookers. None of which them feel better, and actually most down there road it made to feel worse. But as I stated before, thats their choice and they have to live with the consequences.
Originally posted by Flakey
Originally posted by DataWraith
People only take children into that situation as a detterent to the authorities in reciprical actions.
"We can hit you but you can't touch us , we got kids" sot of mentality, and of course all you get is onesided propaganda from both sides, " we're the good guys, we were attacked first".
There is no impartiality from either side I'm afraid. I'm right , your wrong end of.
And in my humble opinion , taking shildren to use as shield is cowardly, if you have to go to a protest you book a childminder to look after the ones your protesting to protect ,you know with ANY protest it stands a chance of turning nasty.
That is some amazing word play but it is no where near honest. Just spin. Ladyskadi mentioned propaganda. Your words are propaganda.
The children were not used as shields. I doubt they were brought along for protections. More than likely the children were brought to share the experience of a peaceful protest. All of our parents put us into all kinds of situations as children and not all situations we were put into ended in the way they expected.
I agree that it is cowardly to use children or for that matter anyone as human shields. I think it is even more vile to blame the parents for the actions of the perpetrators. It demonizes the victims. The victims in this case have already suffered and you compound their suffering by blaming them for the actions of others.