Phemonenological Evidence from Lucid Precognitive Dreaming

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posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 01:22 AM
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This thread is my Evidence thread to my claim that I have altered a precognitive dream during a phase of my research where I was mapping out the dream layers. In this research my goal was to leave a footprint on a dream in the hopes that the footprint would be on the precognitive layer and manifest in reality.

To my total surprise, these "footprints" did manifest in reality in the form of geometric shapes exactly as I had created them when I altered and changed the original dream while in a fully conscious and lucid state.

I will reserve this spot for a media link to all the images, original scans and unmodified images so you can review them and explore them for yourselves.

Media Kit.
209.97.200.65...

Please save this media kit if you care to examine the photos on your own as the host link may expire in days/weeks and is temporary

Exhibit A: Kevin's Triangle.



Kevin was a person who I saw in one particular dream when I was in the mapping phase, so out of the sake of continuity of mapping I simply pointed at Kevin in the dream, and induced a triangle on his forehead from a distance over 6 feet. In the dream I was at my workplace at that time, and Kevin was behind a concession counter.

Approximately three weeks later, this altered lucid precognitive dream came true. I have one Polaroid image and a photo from a negative to share with the forum. There are several additional modified images that show the triangle with more clarity either from greyscale, or increased contrast and even a enhancement of the mark for reference of location.

Also included is Kevin's hand written testimony of the event. I will also include other testimonies from other people who I also induced some type of shape. Kevin is the first.

Exhibit B: A triangle on my hand.


During this phase in 1998, I also induced a triangle in my hand via the same technique to induce the triangle on Kevin's head by manipulating a precognitive dream while in a conscious and lucid state. The triangle may not be clear but more images will aid you in seeing where it is. I photographed my hand January 5, 2010 for this thread, the triangle is permanent and has been since I induced it, as my own personal reminder of the phenomena. My permanent string on my finger so I never forget.

Exhibit C: A newspaper article on me.



In this article, I had residual ability to induce the phenomena outside of the dream. I attempted to repeat this on the reporter and other co-workers. They claim I induce tingling and redness but the red blobs didn't have a shape that they felt was clear enough, but acknowledged red blobs did appear where I focused.

I also have additional witness testimony for similar after effects where I induced shapes on random people close to me and had them document their experience. That will follow at the end of this thread.

[Continued on to Exhibit A]

[edit on 6-1-2010 by YouAreDreaming]




posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 01:31 AM
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Exhibit A: Image 2
This is a scan of the Polaroid and the photo together.


Exhibit A: Image 3
This is a map of where the mark is located on this scan.


Exhibit A: Image 4
This is a close-up of the Photo.


Exhibit A: Image 5
This is the photo in high contrast.


Exhibit A: Image 6
This is the photo in greyscale.


Exhibit A: Image 7
This is the photo in greyscale with the triangle clearly marked.


Exhibit A: Image 8
This is the Polaroid Closeup.


Exhibit A: Image 9
This is the Polaroid closeup in high contrast.


Exhibit A: Image 10
This is the Polaroid closeup in greyscale.


Exhibit A: Image 11
This is the Polaroid with the mark enhanced for reference.


[Continued to Exhibit B]

[edit on 6-1-2010 by YouAreDreaming]



posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 01:36 AM
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Very interesting...why do you think it took several weeks to occur?



posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 01:37 AM
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Exhibit B: Image 1
This is my hand photograph #1 taken today January 5, 2010.


Exhibit B: Image 2
This is the hand mapped out to location of the mark.


Exhibit B: Image 3
This is the hand with enhanced contrast.


Exhibit B: Image 4
This is the hand in greyscale.


Exhibit B: Image 5
This is the hand with the triangle enhanced for reference.


Exhibit B: Image 6
This is the second hand photo from today.


Exhibit B: Image 7
This is the second hand photo with enhanced contrast.


Exhibit B: Image 8
This is the second hand in greyscale.


Exhibit B: Image 9
This is the second hand with the triangle marked for reference.


Exhibit B: Image 10
This is the hand scanned for today January 5, 2009 date and the triangle looks more blobbish from compression on scanner.



posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 01:40 AM
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Testimonies

Testimony 1: This is Kevin's Testimony


The rest are just what I have from other people with similar experiences.












Thank you for your time. This is the extent of my ancedotal evidence of lucid precognitive dreams being altered and the changes happening here.

Cheers,

Yad.



posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 01:42 AM
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This is all completely delusional. Why would there be shapes? theres just to much mud in the water with these subjects to stab at anything. Im sure 60% of ats would gladly come and enable this kind of behavior.

i wish magical stuff like this was true, but its not. There are no superpowers to gain.... nothing and no one is going to make the world a fair or just place. God... the soul.... free will.... Its all an illusion, much like a nightlight for children scared of the dark.

I wont say anything else.



[edit on 6-1-2010 by Wertdagf]



posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 01:48 AM
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Of all the claims I've heard like this, this is the one most backed up by proof...of sorts. Maybe get a video camera. Maybe I'll get my brother to check you out he lives in kelowna.



posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 01:50 AM
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We are dealing with a probability matrix when precognitive dreams are being addressed. The time to actualization can take as long as a year to happen, and this pattern is quite non-linear and not predictive.

The spike I caused to the probability matrix had to be resorted into the physical event.

@Wertdagf - That's your judgment call based on your lack of experience with the nature of precognitive dreams. That's a you problem, not a me problem. Delusions do not cause triangles to form on peoples foreheads, and ample other testimony here so reject it or accept it, I care not what you do with the information presented.



posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 02:03 AM
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Originally posted by heyo
Of all the claims I've heard like this, this is the one most backed up by proof...of sorts. Maybe get a video camera. Maybe I'll get my brother to check you out he lives in kelowna.


Very cool, I still live near Kelowna. I was asked about this evidence and my Geocities site is no longer existing that used to host it. I figured before I die I should get it out on ATS so we can discuss this experience.

Despite all welcomed skepticism, I stand by this claim and have no question or doubt in my mind that there is a dream to reality link that we share. These are just a small sample of experiences that I tried to capture in a massive wave of personal validation that no-one on this Earth can make me believe is anything short of true valid precognitive dreams coming true. You cannot unlearn experienced knowledge even if you don't fully understand it's true nature.

[edit on 6-1-2010 by YouAreDreaming]



posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 02:05 AM
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This is a joke.... right? I mean.... you couldn't actually be serious could you? Completely and utterly ridiculous!

Dude, you are really living up to your screen name!

Rarely have I seen straws so tightly grasped!. This thread takes the cake and should be in the gray area where it belongs!

IRM



posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 02:09 AM
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Originally posted by InfaRedMan
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This is a joke.... right? I mean.... you couldn't actually be serious could you? Completely and utterly ridiculous!

Dude, you are really living up to your screen name!

Rarely have I seen straws so tightly grasped!. This thread takes the cake and should be in the gray area where it belongs!

IRM


Oh I am very serious, and I do live up to my screen name thanks. All you can do is just claim what I am stating as fact is delusion yet I have some evidence of the claim and testimony from other people supporting it.

Just because you don't understand it, and it is outside your accepted belief system isn't going to change the reality that it happened, and I did my best to document it for my personal reference.

Dreams do come true in a literal tense. Some people are fortunate enough to realize it, I was fortunate enough to explore it with some very fascinating results.

Prove that I didn't do this.



posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 02:19 AM
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These proofs are never going to be enough to convince anyone. Though I believe it is possible, I'm not sure you actually achieved it because I could see many triangles on those pictures.

Always remember this picture :





That's how people will see your "miracles" if they don't want to see it.
The more you will try to convince others, the more they will call you insane.

Either continue your research in the dark until you have irrefutable proof (wich is probably impossible), either suffer the consequences. You should use your "powers" to improve your life and the life of others instead. One by one. Going too fast is never a good choice.



posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 02:23 AM
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The easiest path is never the good one.



posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 11:21 AM
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What is important to note here. This information is over 11 years old and is no longer on Geocities since it was taken down when yahoo ended Geocities. It made me realize that I am taking these experiences with me to my grave with zero benefit to anyone else capable of taking the research further. This is ghost material in the sense that if I didn’t at least put it here, it didn’t exist.

When I conducted this research, it was personal research to answer personal questions regarding precognition that I was having. In my life, I had lots of dreams come true. All I got was grief from friends and family and my peers when trying to understand why. In sceptic circles, all you get is some link to insanity. There were no good answers to a very simple realization I had.

Some dreams later come true in this reality.

Why?

When I learned how to lucid dream, this allowed me to consciously explore the dream state with more intent then a non-lucid dream where I would be dimly aware and with very little cognitive ability. During some of these lucid dreams that I would have, the also occurred within this precognitive reality. They too also came true. Now I had bigger questions with even less answers then before.

For two years, 1996-1998 I dedicated myself to finding out why. I started mapping out the dream state and it was not an easy task to navigate. It is like fractal soup and navigating a very complex Mandelbrot set in the hopes of getting lucky enough to resonate with this precognitive ism that exists in dreaming.

I knew I had visited this particular band while conscious, I had the very awake and conscious realizations in the dream that carried over to reality. I suspected that I could influence the dream in the same way I could influence other dreams, but had no proof.

In navigating this spectrum of dreaming, I noticed certain dreams completely resisted change from my thoughts and intent. This made no sense to me. Dreams should respond as dreams usually respond. When these dreams came true, it was the gleaming hint that precognitive dreams are very resistant to change, that they have more organization and structure to them. There is more rules or influences trying to keep the within some constant.

However, they were still dreams before they came true. They are still dreams before they come true. It is just a dream. It is not matter. It is organized thought. Finally I influenced change as you see in this picture. I was able to at least cause small geometric patterns to emerge on the surface of the dream which in turn follows the actualization of how a dream comes true.

I feel my crime to all of you is to just die with this knowledge and despite how crazy it may sound, how far out there it may seem to some. It’s not that difficult to connect the dots once you know this link between dreams and reality through precognition. There has to be other people willing enough to brave their connection with precognition to perhaps go further then what I was able to accomplish.

I may have took precognitive dreaming further then most people who have precognitive dreams in a non-lucid state, I don’t know. What ever I did, I at least proved to myself that we can affect a dream before it comes true. For those of you with any inkling of precognition, I hope this at least gives you some direction in how you might take your exploration of the phenomena. Try to be conscious in your precognitive dreams, try to influence any type of change. That is my recommendation to you.

For the sceptics… learn to dream. Dream illiteracy is a you problem, not a me problem. Be conscious when you sleep. Make that a standard. Perhaps then you might come across the material I am discussing in this thread.



posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 11:39 AM
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Originally posted by YouAreDreaming
What is important to note here. This information is over 11 years old and is no longer on Geocities since it was taken down when yahoo ended Geocities. It made me realize that I am taking these experiences with me to my grave with zero benefit to anyone else capable of taking the research further. This is ghost material in the sense that if I didn’t at least put it here, it didn’t exist.


Some (few) people have already been waaaay further (and I'm not talking about me, I'm nowhere near your level). Sorry if you thought you were the first. Think about the buddhist mystics, the kabbalist or even the pharaos of old times.

Just PM me if you want to go deeper in the rabbit hole. I'll give the title of a book that's in the public domain now (thank God !). You should read it. Really.

Those people also learned that, as I already told you, no matter how hard you try to spread the truth WIDELY, it always fails miserably. I just quote you here :




In my life, I had lots of dreams come true. All I got was grief from friends and family and my peers when trying to understand why. In sceptic circles, all you get is some link to insanity. There were no good answers to a very simple realization I had.


No matter how valid the proofs, the more you try to convince people THAT DON'T WANT TO BE CONVINCED, the more you will suffer. Trust me. You can only convince the one you FEEL are ready for it. And there are, but I guess only 1 over 5. The 4 others will all unite their forces to counter you.

Also I can tell it's good you have trained yourself all that time to develop your powers, it will be much easier for the continuation of your development.

[edit on 6-1-2010 by SpaceGoatsFarts]



posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 11:44 AM
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Remember, if your thoughts/dreams can influence reality, the tought of people that don't want to believe can also make you fail to convince them, even more if they are numerous.

Select the people you talk to about your discoveries. Ignore the others. They will make you waste your efforts.



posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 11:50 AM
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I understand what you are saying SGF and I appreciate it. Also, I don’t really want to make this all about me rather about the reality of precognition as a whole.

I can endure the flames as they come in knowing there will be other people out there that will benefit from exposure to this reality. It’s not about convincing anyone, it’s about sharing my experiences in hopes others of similar experiences can benefit themselves or benefit me. Co-operative growth is what I am after.

I’m way past the denial stage in regards to the reality of precognition so that leaves the learning and growth stage with hopes of furthering understanding.



posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 11:58 AM
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Originally posted by YouAreDreaming
I can endure the flames as they come in knowing there will be other people out there that will benefit from exposure to this reality. It’s not about convincing anyone, it’s about sharing my experiences in hopes others of similar experiences can benefit themselves or benefit me. Co-operative growth is what I am after.


Good then
Continue if you feel you are able to handle it. Ignore the flames, don't even answer. But be careful : if you can do what you claim, maybe (actually for me it is certain) some people can do MUCH more to you. And maybe they don't have the same agenda as you.

Be really careful and take care. Remember that one of the "awakened" that tried to change the world was called Jesus. Remember how that finished.

[edit on 6-1-2010 by SpaceGoatsFarts]



posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 12:10 PM
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I sent you a PM. I think there is a problem with the link but I guess you will find a PDF copy by yourself in Google, it's not hard. If you don't figure how PM me.



posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 12:57 PM
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Thanks SGF,

I got the PM and replied. Searching google is trivial enough. Unlike Jesus, I am not trying to change the world, just the dream. It the world changes as a result, that's not really any of my concern



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