Disclosure: Endgame; The REAL discussion thread

I actually found everything Wilcock said here to be at the very least logical if not entirely truthful.

His commentary on conspiracy media itself resonates with me. Sometimes ATS threads are pure "fear-porn." It makes perfect sense that there are indeed powers like the New Kremlin which are potentially just as powerful (see overthrowing of the Bolsheviks) as the Rothschilds and Rockefellers. It also makes perfect sense that two separate super-rich elite groups would spar with one another.

In any case, his message is nothing but positive and hopeful, so I am very skeptical of those who were so quick to dismiss him. I read once that "suffering is always the result of believing something false." Think that one over.

A few notes before I get into this as I'm not sure where we'll end up.. .

Read the entire ebook and came to the conclusion that whether or not Wilcock wrote it, as has been disputed, is irrelevant. The math and every other fact appears to check out on the surface. . .

Now, the one thing I haven't seen proposed in reference to the spin speed of the spiral ( say that 10x fast !) is the possibility that it could be a wormhole!?!

Anyone who has researched George Lucas' knowledge of ET's has found at least 1 reptilian reference so is it really that big of a stretch to say he had other knowledge relating to other ET cultures?

any ideas?

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I can see it now, a massive intergalactic war being fought and we sit so far on the outer rim of civilized planetary systems that we rarely get to witness it, let alone become involved in it.

But when it comes to E.T life forms Lucas has really put a great deal of thought into what he created within the Star Wars universe. Rankor’s are not that dissimilar to a Dinosaur yet they are still portrayed as an E.T life form and quite successfully.

Originally posted by Sun Spot
I actually found everything Wilcock said here to be at the very least logical if not entirely truthful.

His commentary on conspiracy media itself resonates with me. Sometimes ATS threads are pure "fear-porn." It makes perfect sense that there are indeed powers like the New Kremlin which are potentially just as powerful (see overthrowing of the Bolsheviks) as the Rothschilds and Rockefellers. It also makes perfect sense that two separate super-rich elite groups would spar with one another.

In any case, his message is nothing but positive and hopeful, so I am very skeptical of those who were so quick to dismiss him. I read once that "suffering is always the result of believing something false." Think that one over.

I love his name for that... "fear-porn".

It makes so much sense, and its so obvious that many people are attracted to fearful ideas like magnets. It seems the more death and destruction promised, the more interesting and relevant it becomes.

Originally posted by xX aFTeRm4Th Xx
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I never was a "believer" of Wilcock before I read this article, nor am I at this point. However, look at the argument instead of the person. Sure, he may or may not have made claims in the past about upcoming disclosure and other events that eventually turned out to be false. But from a scientific standpoint, look at what he is saying. His argument is presented in a logical manner and all of his claims are backed up with related information and evidence. I am willing to open my mind to the idea, if somebody takes the time to present me with a formal and scientific argument.

Is that not why we are all here in the first place?




[edit on 28-12-2009 by xX aFTeRm4Th Xx]

I'm with stupid^^

or maybe I am stupid . . . bah lol


I agree with xX aFTeRm4Th Xx either way

Hi people

David Wilcock is a very interesting person, with some interesting views. I must admit, some of them are far out, without proof, but he also speaks alot of sense. What worries me though is that i think he tends to believe everything spmeone tells him, no matter how far out it is. The Philadelphia Experiment is one of the things he talks about as if it happened, but evidence suggest that this never happened at all, and is just hearsay and alot of false information.

I don't think he is doing this for money, not at all, and i believe that he believes that something is going to happen. I really hope he is right, i really do. This world is getting desperate.

I believe that some ufos are unexplained, and i also believe that governments lie, and lately i have found myself feeling angry and betrayed by my own race, and i really hope something happens, i really do because the way things are going, it won't be long until world war three becomes a real threat.

I remember having a disscussion with someone about the state of the world. He said in the past we have always got through it, and wars have come and gone, but we are still here. I said to him there is a huge difference now, and that is we have the weapons to end the world, unlike other wars whereits only been small bombs,planes,guns,ships. So, yes,if there is anothe world war, im sure t will be the last.

Walcock seens like a nice bloke, whos intentions are good. To be honest, real or not, we need more pple like that.

Einstein: "I don't know what weapons will be used to wage WW3 - but WW4 will be fought with sticks and stones."

Scary.

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Yes, it is very scary. It makes me angry because i see governments around the world, and to me, they are just like boys with toys. It is such a primitve way of thinking, and these people decide our fate! and that is scary. My country is better than your country, what a load of crap!

Our minds are still primitive, but our technolgy is growing fast, and thats another scary way of looking at it.

I wish for a time when we see the human race as one, and not divided like it is now. We are all human, we all came from the same place at the end of the day. I fear for this planet, i really do.

I believe we do need something to happen. If there ar ET beings out there that are watching us, i really hope they do reveal themselves and show us the way.

If this is not the case, and we are alone, then God help us

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Excellent excellent find. Finally some answers and some DIRECTION. This is excellent work. Thank you for posting Monts.

Originally posted by Monts
I love his name for that... "fear-porn".

It makes so much sense, and its so obvious that many people are attracted to fearful ideas like magnets. It seems the more death and destruction promised, the more interesting and relevant it becomes.

Absolutely. I think this may be one of the most relevant pieces of information that I have found through ATS, ironically.

At various times I have found myself unable to stop reading an absolutely horrible thread. It would make me more and more anxious to read about the doom and gloom presented therein. I felt on many occasions the sensation of being a completely powerless pawn against an omniscient super-elite. That's the picture painted for us so often! In reality, we do have power. The Rothschilds and Rockefellers are not all-seeing or all-powerful. Reading this "fear-porn" makes the very people who think they are "aware" the least powerful of all through paranoia and the manipulation of information and reality. Instead of numbing, dulling, and keeping us in the dark like those who take no part in alternative media, they use the exact opposite tactic on us: scare the **** out of us. Just remember, ATS, how well-known this website is and how routinely we are, most likely, intentionally misinformed/disinformed.

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Still reading it...a quick question to a point DW makes

"COSMOSPHERES

Though this is a bit of an aside, here's what Beter's summary has to say about this advanced Russian technology (emphasis added):

The third leg of the Russian "space triad" is a fleet of electrogravitic hovering platforms called "cosmospheres."

These could have been developed by the United States, and in the early 1960's the late General Thomas Power (then commander of the Strategic Air Command) and others urged that this be done." - DW


If what he states is true and Russia have this technology, does this not blow the alien based UFO theory out of the water? We would still have abduction stories but with technology like that available surely the logical explanation is staged/fake government/military "Alien" abductions?

Anyways on with the reading..... there are some holes in his theories that I will address later.

the link to the ebook worked for a while . . . but now it's dead

are there any copies out there other than through divinecosmos?

some interesting stuff in there, but i dunno

The same happened to me, I think its a time-out issue, but it works if you click through.

Just go to divinecosmos and click through to it again, its not hard to find on the site i think it is in fact highlighted by a link on the top-tight corner of their front page.

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If what he states is true and Russia have this technology, does this not blow the alien based UFO theory out of the water? We would still have abduction stories but with technology like that available surely the logical explanation is staged/fake government/military "Alien" abductions?

It has been said,"over 70% of the abductions are done by secret government agents, laying a false trail, in order to distract/disguise or portray a cover up of some sort."

I think that is a fairly close representation of facts/reality.

Our situation is so controled, regular people get lost trying to understand just what the heck is going on around here. In fact, it is so confusing for most, one would expect the perpetrators to even get mixed up, possibly?

Or at the least, start making mistakes that can't be covered up?

Or, the confusion becomes a maze one can't navagate through, which is a pretty effective cover in itself?

Here's a link to David's ebook if anyone needs it.

divinecosmos.com...

David has done a meticulous job and I enjoyed his book. Some errors have been pointed out to him so I suspect he will be doing a revision shortly. Where I part seriously with his thinking is at the disclosure stage. He doesn't state clearly why he believes there will be disclosure. The Disclosure Project in 2001 with military aerospace technicians, physicists, renowned scientists and various insiders, many of whom risked careers for breaking secrecy, achieved exactly zilch. In fact they were totally ignored despite the attendance of mainstream press. I know that was then and this is now but David does not explain why 'now' should be any different. If they have been collaborating with various species of alien for over 60 years and developing anti-gravity propulsion and other wonderful free energy technologies without sharing it with us for all this time - frankly I see no reason why they think they must do so now. In fact, it is more likely they hold us taxpaying minions in greater contempt than ever they did. And it is equally likely that the aliens do not wish to introduce themselves to us otherwise they would surely have done so by now. With the exception, of course, for the purposes of genetic engineering hybridization during human abductions and animal mutilations.

In my view it is much more probable that the NWO everyone talks about is designed to come into effect post 2012 - when something unusual may happen to our planet reducing the 6billion+ population considerably. I have to ask why the extensive, (and I mean extensive) underground facilities in the US, the UK, Australia, Russia and probably elsewhere too?, why the seed bank in a remote area?, what is going on at Denver Intl. Airport? Why is our UK government not bothered about our future power supplies or the crumbling infrastructure? Why are virtually all governments printing money like there is no tomorrow? Would that possibly be because they know there is no 'tomorrow' for most of us, at least not as we know it. Explains all the 'missing' money too - off balance sheet Black Ops obviously.

Ronald Reagan wrote in his diary in June of 1985...

'Lunch with 5 top space scientist. It was fascinating. Space truly is the last frontier and some of the developments there in astronomy etc. are like science fiction, except they are real. I learned that our shuttle capacity is such that we could orbit 300 people.'

Presidents for the most part don't know what's going on so it is futile to imagine that Obama. messiah or not, is about to divulge that which he is not privy to. Whoever is in control will simply carry on the 'we know nothing' process until it becomes so obvious to ordinary people they will not need disclosure or mainstream to tell them anything. At any rate I believe it will strung out with distractions and disinformation until we're nearing the finale and the 'chosen ones' can hunker down in their underground facilities or zip away in their shuttles before the masses realize they're going to have to fend for themselves.

David's work is very uplifting with a happy, optimistic, almost utopian ending for many people I notice but...but...but. Maybe someone can come up with another scenario but until they do nothing else really makes any sense to me.

In accordance with the OP's wishes I went and read the 'eBook' (does a few webpages qualify as an eBook?) before posting here. I have no previous experience with the work of David Wilcock, other than being vaguely aware of his November disclosure claims. I did not participate in the other thread, I only had a brief glance as it was a busy day for me. So I started reading the 'eBook' with an open mind...

What became apparent and disconcerting quite quickly was the way the author stated things as fact yet peppered his story with "could be", "perhaps" and "possibly". Presenting speculation as hard truth is never a good start, but I read on. He mentioned crop circles and I groaned but I read on. Richard Hoagland's name was dropped, I let out another groan, but I read on. Upon his claims of "prophetic dreaming" I realised we were moving yet further away from reality, yet still I read on...

Here's my take on his take...

The Norway Spiral:

I had been leaning towards the failed missile theory, but hadn't made up my mind. I have no idea if his numbers are on the level (I suck at maths!) but his EISCAT claims have a hole in them as far as I can see. I may be wrong, if so please feel free to correct me. He has an animated GIF of a thermal spiral being generated by EISCAT or HAARP (can't remember which) which he uses to illustrate his claim that EISCAT could be responsible for the Norway spiral. However, the GIF shows the spiral eminating directly upwards. If EISCAT caused the Norway spiral why is it sitting in the sky vertically, at a 'right angle' to the horizon? Wouldn't it surely be parallel with the horizon, and directly above the EISCAT facility? Given the apparent close proximity of the EISCAT facility to where the photos/video of the spiral were taken I very much doubt that the curvature of the Earth could account for this.

The Kremlin UFO:

He seems too eager to accept these videos as genuine, claiming the night-time video would be too costly to fake using CGI due to things passing in front of the UFO. However, if you go back and watch the video again you'll notice that not much actually does pass in front of it, and I'm not entirely sure that the UFO doesn't jerk around consistently with the car as it shudders. The other major problem with the night time video (in my opinion) is the fact that they didn't stop the car and get out for a clear steady shot of the thing! As for the daytime video, well I personally find it hard to believe that in broad daylight in a huge city with a large population like Moscow not one other person managed to get a video or photograph of the UFO! It's not the old communist USSR anymore, lots of people have decadent Western gadgets like cameras nowadays! So call me suspicious, but in a field of investigation that is littered with fakes I can easily believe (given the curious lack of alternative photo/video evidence) that these videos may indeed be fake.

The Georgia Documents:

Why on earth would anyone keep sensitive secret documents in a truck in a foreign country bordering your greatest enemy? That makes no sense whatsoever and to claim that Georgia may have had a secret illuminati base is nothing but speculation and even then it's a ridiculous idea. Georgia has been politically volatile for years, with regions seeking to break away. It makes no sense to have a base somewhere like that.

The New Kremlin:

Am I the only person who has never heard of this group before? I find it strange that given the profile of Peter Beter no-one else has ever tried to expand on his revelations regarding "The New Kremlin" in the last twenty years or so. I am not saying they do not exist, but I would like more evidence than just the testimony of one man before I come to any conclusion regarding the veracity of these claims.

Financial Woes of the Illuminati:

Okay I may be way off the mark here, but I have read a few articles claiming that the Rothschilds and Rockefellers control the U.S Federal Reserve and almost all of the world's banks. Wilcock makes some claim about these illuminati groups being short of cash due to the recession and bailouts. Forgive me if I'm wrong but if they control the Fed and the banks aren't they just giving themselves money? Also I doubt very much that a lack of cash would prevent them from keeping the true nature of UFOs a secret. As Wilcock states, these people are ruthless and I'm sure a few extra murders here and there would be a cheaper form of control.


As I said before I had no problem with Wilcock before I read this. Now having read it I am of the opinion he is indeed a charlatan. Asking people to come to his lectures during the article reeks of snake oil. It was unlike me to actually read on past the 'dreams' nonsense, as I would usually stop right there, but I gave it a chance and that's a few hours of my life I'm never getting back. I do believe in UFO's (having seen 3 myself over the years I'd be daft not to), but I'm struggling to believe a word this guy says. However, I would love him to prove me wrong!

Just my tuppence worth.

Look, I know alot of you DISCREDIT Wilcock and I think you guys do have a valid point in his past work. However what is mentioned in this essay could very well be true. This is the only work where someone puts together this massive jigsaw puzzle.

Whether he put this together himself or not, its still a major lead to the next step forward in realizing and possibly defeat the NWO in all its factions. I don't think we can afford to look past anything this essay says. If it turns out to be false than so be it, we still know that something foul is still going on.

You also must realize that Copenhagen was a total disaster for the globalists. So you must take in consideration that there might forces that are staunchly opposed to the Rockefeller Cartel and The Rothschild Illuminati (NWO) and this essay at least tells you who and what these players are.

Hey Monts, I found this another thread by you, in your effort to have some meaningful discussion on the topic. Appreciate your effort & hope you wouldn't mind if I re-post my small little piece on Spirituality.
My effort here is to encourage people towards a Spiritual life & showing how it is The Normal & Meaningful Way of living life happily So here it is again & hope it might be helpful. Just my little bit for returning our planet & its people back to its pristine & happy state.

"I have really written this entry here in the hope of giving hope, that you'd realize you are NOT indeed a powerless entity in this world at this time, but a very much powerful & loving being whose personal choices and actions can and will indeed make a huge & epic impact upon our dear planet Earth, culminating in the defeat of NWO/illuminati. Yes, YOU CAN my friend, believe it, know it, refuse & reject fear and anger and hatred in all its forms. I usually don't post in forums, but got really sick with all the negativity over a really positive & epic event that might well occur sooner than we may realize, and also on the lifeless and sick arguments against a person who really is trying to do his best for our planet.

I have been following David Wilcock's work for more than a year now, and honestly do feel he is genuine, in fact one of the rarest voices out there that paints a compellingly positive outlook with real science and spirituality to back up.

Sorry folks if I'm disappointing, but I can't help but TOTALLY DISAGREE with all you people who are seemingly so out of sync with where our world is really heading towards. If great evil was supposed to take over the Earth, then I ask you friends, what's the point of life? Why do we have to exist?

One of the messages that Wilcock has been constantly focusing is on the need to 'not get afraid, not get angry & not have hate' towards these so-called elites. But to rather forgive them & show compassion.
And this is a very important point. Hold on & I tell you why...

By fearing them or their plans, by hating them, know that you are not at all helping yourself or our dear planet at all.
The reason is when you are angry, in a state of hatred or find youself in depression or frustration & focusing these energies on the negative elites/PTB (fill whatever name you wish), you are actually giving them 'The real Power' - feeding them with your energy - thats what they badly need, especially when they are in their last legs now.
Think about it for a moment.

For people not interested with Spirituality, off course, what I'm saying would not make any sense. But friends, know that your true nature, your core, is Spiritual, and by ignoring or putting off that very important question of 'who am i?', 'what is this planet' or 'why am i here', you are denying yourself all the bliss, love & peace that you are naturally endowed with. Just observe all historical Spiritual pioneers, just study their lives, you'll find a recurrent pattern - the person may go through upheavals, which may lead to his Spiritual awakening, or he/she would just awaken to that higher call from 'within', go mad in understanding what the heck is with his/her life, the purpose of his/her existence and eventually awaken to his/her true nature, realizing that what we perceive as reality around us (including our bodies) is nothing more than a grand illusion. We are above & beyond this illusion really, but are in deep sleep, in illusion.

This has been the core teaching of almost all Spiritual masters - come out of your illusion, see the truth.
If you have interacted with or closely watched any Spiritually advanced person, you would not have failed to notice the serene calmness with which the person operates, or the love he/she shares with others or the positive approach of such a person.

Now what's the purpose of this illusion, some might ask, the purpose is for the Spiritual development of all the participating souls to reach a higher level of existence. It is only within an illusory environment, that we can really experience 'suffering', 'pain', anger, hatred, fear until we realize we don't have to go through them anymore, consciously choose to get back to our true nature, which is to be in a sate of unconditional love, forgiveness, bliss, compassion, peace, gratitude. Suffering and pain, has its uses. No other experiential archetype has the power to wake up a person who is in deep sleep (in illusion) like these two experiences. So, in Spirituality, pain is often welcome, for this builds the Spiritual muscles of a person & makes them stronger.

So, you have a choice now, if you really want to save our planet, you have to first save yourself. You save yourself by forgiving yourself completely & totally. And then unconditionally accepting & loving yourself, letting go of feelings of anger, guilt, frustration that you may have over yourself. Try, you can definitely win in this. Next, practise the same with all lives around you, your friends, parents, your circle of friends or enemies (is there really an enemy out there?) - forgive, release, accept, love. It will take time, and I have not mastered it yet too, but I hold onto this practise. So, persevere and develop a firm goal to progress Spiritually & get back to your truest nature, try your best & you'll see how the universe will start to respond to your call in almost magical ways - something you would have never thought possible.


Likewise, when it comes to the brutal force that has been ravaging & holding the entire planet hostage for so long, know that you will only HELP them by hating them, fearing them or their news stories, worrying, getting stressed out.
But if you do believe & decide to really defeat them & contribute towards making our planet more happy & peaceful, more healthy, natural, back to the loving ways, then forgive them completely, release them & feel compassion for them, this will surely & safely remove them & defeat them & save you, your family & also our planet.
The reason is if you allow yourself to let go of them, then you will be doing your part for paving the way for great healing to occur to us & to our planet.

So, please stop wasting your energies in fear, anger, worry, hatred and all those associated emotions etc.,
Think about it. Think about what you'd like to be remembered for in your life. What you will leave behind for your children, for your generation. Isn't it amazing to live in a love-filled world?
I hope you will spend time contemplating on these, on your existence & eventually make a conscious decision to stop a 'materialistic life' and start a 'Spiritual life'.

We humans can do this ourselves (rid the world of the dark forces -again any name you can put in here), we don't desperately need extra-terrestrial help to free us although it would not be unwelcome and would be helpful, all it requires is some Spiritual awakening in sufficient number of people to occur."

Peace & Love,
Chandra

more ingenious money making ideas - the spiral was genius. steven greer has been at the forefront of a number of these 'groups' over the last 10 years because he knows its a profitable business, he clearly has good business acumen as everyone these days wants a piece of the 'truth' pie and there is nothing like something unprovable but fantastical to get people interested (jesus anyone?) im sure they will keep churning out poor videos and conference drivel to keep the gaping truth masses rapt with attention. its so simplistic its beyond belief.