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Topic started on 21-12-2009 @ 09:17 AM by ModernAcademia

Israel harvested organs in '90s without permission

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JERUSALEM — Israel has admitted forensic specialists harvested organs from bodies, including Palestinians, without permission from their families during the 1990s.

The issue emerged with publication of an interview with the then-head of Israel's main forensic institute, Dr. Jehuda Hiss. An American academic conducted the interview in 2000, but decided to release it now because of a controversy last summer over an allegation by a Swedish newspaper that Israel was killing Palestinians to harves

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reply posted on 21-12-2009 @ 09:17 AM by ModernAcademia

One time a lollipop two time a sucker!

Remember all the brouhaha with Israel asking the sweedish newspaper to say sorry and to retract his statement?

Ok sure the newspaper was more about recent harvesting and this story is about in the 90s but man, Israel could have mentioned that couldn't they?

Israeli military admits to organ harvesting

The Israeli military confirmed that skin, corneas, heart valves and bones from Israeli soldiers, Israeli citizens, Palestinians and foreign workers had been harvested at Abu Kabir throughout the 1990s,
www.thelocal.se...

Unbelieavable!!!!

I remember all the responses from the pro-israeli crowd calling this a ludicrous accusation and all.
WOW

Israel has admitted pathologists harvested organs from dead Palestinians, and others, without the consent of their families – a practice it said ended in the 1990s – it emerged at the weekend.

The admission, by the former head of the country's forensic institute, followed a furious row prompted by a Swedish newspaper reporting that Israel was killing Palestinians in order to use their organs – a charge that Israel denied and called "antisemitic".

www.guardian.co.uk...

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reply posted on 21-12-2009 @ 09:28 AM by Skittle

Damn it. You beat me to it!
Wonder when the outcry of the backpatters yelling "antisemite" will start.

The newspaper Aftonbladet wrote about it and the state of Israel wanted them to retract the news or else ....

Add this link to the heap of links
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reply posted on 21-12-2009 @ 09:50 AM by December_Rain

I said this last week also on this thread -www.abovetopsecret.com... but it was ignored as a lie. Lol it's funny how much Israel tried to hide this news it eventually came out.

Whole thing sounds right from the experiments conducted on humans in Auschwitz camp.

ISRAEL

reply posted on 21-12-2009 @ 10:05 AM by Silcone Synapse

The image of people scavenging the eyes and organs of their slain enemies on the battlefield is like something from the nightmares of Bruegel.

www.artchive.com...

I had hoped this story was not true...Makes you wonder about the more recent accusations by the Swedish paper.
How utterley horrible-I wonder,did the recipients of the organs know their source?I imaigine not,as the evil people who did this would maybe not have made as much money.
A new low for Israel IMO.

reply posted on 21-12-2009 @ 10:15 AM by donhuangenaro

Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Unbelieavable!!!!

I remember all the responses from the pro-israeli crowd calling this a ludicrous accusation and all.
WOW

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the more they scream anti-semite and ludicrous you know that it must be true...

interesting how some people cannot believe that israelis are also capable of horrible acts like this...

s&f

reply posted on 21-12-2009 @ 10:17 AM by JJay55

Harversting organs is more common in Central and South America. People are kidnapped and organs removed and bodies discarded. The medical practice is ultimately responsible since they are making the demand so high.

My philosophy is that you were born with your organs, if they fail or you ruin them too bad, you don't get a replacement.

reply posted on 21-12-2009 @ 10:19 AM by Peruvianmonk

This kind of thing does happen all over the World. Including in my own Country, remember the Great Ormond Street hospital scandal?

It wasn't just Arab Israelis or Palastinians who were used this way, looks like they preyed on anyone vulnerable. There is also no evidence these people were killed for their organs. I am not excusing what they did, but lets not assume everything based on this.

reply posted on 21-12-2009 @ 10:23 AM by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by Silcone Synapse
I wonder,did the recipients of the organs know their source?

That begs another question doesn't it?

What were these organs used for?

In Judaism you cannot get transplants, it's against their religion.

So were there any recipients to begin with or were these organs used for something else?

reply posted on 21-12-2009 @ 10:26 AM by Silcone Synapse

reply to post by Peruvianmonk

Although the Great Ormond street case was indeed horrid and wrong,the hospital did not first kill the children whose organs it then used without consent.
What happened in Palestine leads to some very dark questions-

Where areas known to have many children targeted specifically for the "bonus" of a clean supply of young organs?

Was this done to order?Who were the buyers?

Were the military aware of the organ squads during operations?

Were the government?

reply posted on 21-12-2009 @ 10:28 AM by crmanager

reply to post by ModernAcademia

Ya know what else? I heard that Jews use childrens blood in ceremonies.

I heard that Jews carry diseases?

I heard that Jewish women "bewitch" men.

I heard that Jews run the banking industry, and Hollywod, and the NWO.

Sad and pathetic attempt at rabid anti-semitism parading as a "conspiracy."

You are truly frightening people for this hatred you spew.

reply posted on 21-12-2009 @ 10:28 AM by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Originally posted by JJay55
Harversting organs is more common in Central and South America. People are kidnapped and organs removed and bodies discarded. The medical practice is ultimately responsible since they are making the demand so high.

My philosophy is that you were born with your organs, if they fail or you ruin them too bad, you don't get a replacement.

Based on what? Deflective wishful thinking absent any source?

Israel is ground zero in the illegal organ trade and has been for the better part of a couple of decades.

Israel is belatedly making these admissions now in the hopes of getting out in front of a storm of further bad publicity that is bound to hit soon as the investigations into the New Jersey Rabbi arrested for Organ Trafficking and money laundering reaches its conclusions and the information starts coming out in open court.

Israel bar none is the worst and most egregious offender when it comes to stealing organs, talking donors into selling organs cheap by utilizing unhealthy and unsanitary conditions and procedures for removing them that often lead to the death of the donor and illegally selling organs for hundreds of thousands of dollars to people throughout the world.

It is well documented and the Zionist Israeli government and press have tried hard to keep a lid on it but that lid is boiling over.

I guess it’s safe to say at least JJay that stealing and harvesting organs is not part of F’ard alyn huh?

That be an Israeli Terrorist thing! I wonder why you can’t address that?

reply posted on 21-12-2009 @ 10:30 AM by Peruvianmonk

reply to post by Silcone Synapse

Where does it say with documented evidence and independent witnesses that these people were murdered for their organs?

There is a big difference between taking organs from people who are deceased without permission and actually killing these people for their organs.

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reply posted on 21-12-2009 @ 10:32 AM by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by crmanager
Sad and pathetic attempt at rabid anti-semitism parading as a "conspiracy."

You are truly frightening people for this hatred you spew.

And so it starts

Please explain specifically which part of my post was anti-semitic, assuming you understand what anti-semitism is!

Can you actually pinpoint anti-semitism in my post or are you just shooting arrows in the dark?

reply posted on 21-12-2009 @ 10:38 AM by Hack28

reply to post by crmanager

Here is something you should be aware of.

reductio ad absurdum (def

(Latin: "reduction to the absurd") is an argument to refute a proposition (or set of propositions), by showing that it leads to a logically absurd consequence.[1] That is, the proposition is shown by proper inspection to be simply untenable within the rules of logic, because it necessarily leads to a self-contradictory consequence.

In other words, extending the original OP's points to ludicrous proportions and than critiquing the results. NOT A VALID ARGUMENT.

reply posted on 21-12-2009 @ 10:40 AM by seethelight

www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply posted on 21-12-2009 @ 10:41 AM by heineken

Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by Silcone Synapse
I wonder,did the recipients of the organs know their source?

That begs another question doesn't it?

What were these organs used for?

In Judaism you cannot get transplants, it's against their religion.

So were there any recipients to begin with or were these organs used for something else?

is it that difficult to know what the Jews always wanted ...i give u a hint

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

i bet they are the leaders of the organ market...

ISRAEL

reply posted on 21-12-2009 @ 10:43 AM by seethelight

Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by crmanager
Sad and pathetic attempt at rabid anti-semitism parading as a "conspiracy."

You are truly frightening people for this hatred you spew.

And so it starts

Please explain specifically which part of my post was anti-semitic, assuming you understand what anti-semitism is!

Can you actually pinpoint anti-semitism in my post or are you just shooting arrows in the dark?

Not giving your organs to the Israeli military is anti-Semitic... didn't you hear?

reply posted on 21-12-2009 @ 10:47 AM by Britguy

Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by Silcone Synapse

What were these organs used for?

In Judaism you cannot get transplants, it's against their religion.

I'm not so sure that's true. Using the organs from another Jew may be out of the question, but from a worthless goyim? After all, we are but cattle to some of them, are we not?

The New Jersey Rabbi only brokered that one kidney after all, didn't he? Or was that just the one he got caught brokering? See, I just don't believe any of the denials any more, after they have been caught lying so many times.
If the evidence is there that they were harvesting organs, for whatever use in the 90's, then who is to say that it ended there?

reply posted on 21-12-2009 @ 11:12 AM by Chevalerous

Well! no surprises here really!

Yep! the former hardcore denial from Israel and the huge propaganda operation & campaign against the Swedes and the accusations about blood libel looks quite silly now in this new perspective.

I found another source about this:

JERUSALEM (AP) -- Israel has admitted that in the 1990s, its forensic pathologists harvested organs from dead bodies, including Palestinians, without permission of their families.

The issue emerged with publication of an interview with the then-head of Israel's Abu Kabir forensic institute, Dr. Jehuda Hiss. The interview was conducted in 2000 by an American academic, who released it because of a huge controversy last summer over an allegation by a Swedish newspaper that Israel was killing Palestinians in order to harvest their organs. Israel hotly denied the charge.

Parts of the interview were broadcast on Israel's Channel 2 TV over the weekend. In it, Hiss said, ''We started to harvest corneas ... Whatever was done was highly informal. No permission was asked from the family.''

The Channel 2 report said that in the 1990s, forensic specialists at Abu Kabir harvested skin, corneas, heart valves and bones from the bodies of Israeli soldiers, Israeli citizens, Palestinians and foreign workers, often without permission from relatives.

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In the interview, Hiss described how his doctors would mask the removal of corneas from bodies. ''We'd glue the eyelid shut,'' he said. ''We wouldn't take corneas from families we knew would open the eyelids.''
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The academic, Nancy Scheper-Hughes, a professor of anthropology at the University of California-Berkeley, said she decided to make the interview public in the wake of the Aftonbladet controversy, which raised diplomatic tensions between Israel and Sweden and prompted Sweden's foreign minister to call off a visit to the Jewish state.

Scheper-Hughes said that while Palestinians were ''by a long shot'' not the only ones affected by the practice in the 1990s, she felt the interview must be made public now because ''the symbolism, you know, of taking skin of the population considered to be the enemy, (is) something, just in terms of its symbolic weight, that has to be reconsidered.''

www.nytimes.com...

So I guess that the Swedish reporter Donald Boström had all the right to ask these questions as he also did in his article earlier this summer in the Swedish newspaper Aftonbladet!?

Israeli denial against Donald Boström earlier - calling it science fiction!